The gap between Heskey and Carroll is nearly as wide as between Thompson and Downing.
£35m for Andy Carroll | On loan @ WHU (the big, long, useless streak of pi**...)
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I doubt it will be much, they demanded the £35m up front to everyone's hilarity at Liverpool at the time.
So he has gone for nearly 55 million pounds in transfer fee's at only 24.... interesting
So lets try to work this out using scouseonomics,.
He cost them -15mil in Jan 2011. They now got 15mil for him. So by scouseonomics they have made 30million profit on him.
He cost them -15mil in Jan 2011. They now got 15mil for him. So by scouseonomics they have made 30million profit on him.
Genius piece of business in fairness.
Anyone know who holds the transfer records, in terms of most amount of transfer fee's paid out for that player? I.e. Can imagine journeymen like Defoe being high up, just wondered as I think Carroll can now say he has commanded a higher total of transfer fees to date in his career, than Kaka...
I wish I was tall. I could've had a PL career too.
15 million is a great piece of business... for Liverpool.
Anelka.
You need to be stupid as well.
Think its Ibra?
That lump of shit goes for 15 million, and we are struggling to get that for Nani, one of the best wingers in the league when on form? I get that Nani only has a year left on his contract, but still, that's madness.
Yep. Despite the crazy transfer fee they paid for him you have to say that they did well to recoup 15m for him.
With their new transfer policy you would expect that they will invest that 15m reasonably wisely.
Both of whom I would say far exceed AC's ability at any given point in careers to date.. may be interesting to see if I can find out all transfer fee's to date.. just surprises me that's all..
Carroll makes Crouch look world class.
Incidentally, Crouch has been sold for fees totaling between £47-50m
Incidentally, Crouch has been sold for fees totaling between £47-50m
He's never worth 15m based on the last 3 years but he's nowhere near as bad as a lot of people like to make out, he's clearly on his day very difficult to play against. He did look very good towards the end of his time at Newcastle and showed signs that he might be recovering that form at West Ham. There's a potentially good player somewhere in there. He's just unlucky that Liverpool for unfathomable reasons paid a huge fee which put unreasonable amounts of pressure and expectation on him, he was never going to live up to a 35m fee. But that's not his fault.
That's all true, but he should also never be getting a game for England.
I think Ibrahimovic must be the highest total nowadays, although I'm sure I've read in the past that Crespo held the record for a while.
It'l be hilarious if Thiago and Carroll get transferred for similar amounts this summer.
2nd most expensive English player ever! Ferdinand being first...
It's good to know that even if we sign Heskey and Crouch for £100m, we would still have a better summer in terms of transfers than West Ham.
Hope the big man does well and stays injury free.
Bendtner and Carroll aren't too far apart in terms of quality.
One is available for £2.5m and one goes for up to £17.5m. One is English. Herein lies the problem with buying English players.
One is available for £2.5m and one goes for up to £17.5m. One is English. Herein lies the problem with buying English players.
The opening post does not change on how see the situation.
Ah, the good old-fashioned English centre forward. They don't make 'em like they used to. Carroll should have been born in 1930, when he might have been considered a decent player.
He's a useful player and a classic Allardyce signing.
He'll do well there. Hopefully so well that Liverpool buy him back for £30mil plus in about 2 years just so we can do this all over again.
He'll do well there. Hopefully so well that Liverpool buy him back for £30mil plus in about 2 years just so we can do this all over again.
I know it may look like it but he really isn't. Throwing himself about and winning ball that goes to nobody isn't exactly something to strike fear in the hearts of defense. He gives away a lot of fouls and is a pretty awful dribbler of the football and I think it is a soft cop out signing for West Ham.
The biggest problem was when he left Newcastle in the first place. Although he was pushed out the door it would have killed a lot of the drive and determination that he had to play football at a high level. A true geordie at heart and growing up supporting the club and finally getting to play for it was a part of his life that he would hold dear. Just like any one of us to play for Manchester United. After impressing and being a noticeably different player who was giving his all and running around with fire in the belly for his home town club he was then forced to leave for cash.
It would be a huge blow psychologically and I think it's only taken about this long (with his link up with Nolan, smashing pints and thumping birds) to really recover for it. He was a shadow of his former ability at Liverpool and it was noticeable with the reception he got (completely wrong imo) at Newcastle where he looked like he had a real hunger and fought hard and looked decent in the forst 25-30mins of that game. It looked like that had put a rocket up him and finally got him motivated.
Still agree that he is a lanky streak of piss and a rubbish limited technically one dimensional player who is next to useless in the modern game.
£100,000 p/w
Just let that sink in.
Just let that sink in.
So, what are West Ham plans for next year? They bought player for 15 millions pounds(+ bonuses) and are paying him 100 p/w just to stay in the league, becaue I don't see how could they become any better than this with Carroll being their central figure.
What is it about Andy Carroll that has managed to delude so many people into thinking that he's actually a good footballer? Ridiculous article on SkySports today:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11685/8786573/The-perfect-transfer-
The perfect transfer.
The perfect transfer?
It is increasingly unusual that a transfer can be said to work well for all parties. Daniel Storey thinks that Andy Carroll's move to West Ham from Liverpool is one of the rare breed
The most obvious element of Andy Carroll's £15million permanent transfer from Liverpool to West Ham is that it is seemingly a deal which 'works well for all parties'.
Such a status quo is rare in modern football, generally reserved for loan deals, when the loanee receives the short-term benefit of a high-quality player, the loaner can keep the player happy without involving them in first-team plans, whilst the individual in question gets vital playing time.
In modern permanent transfers, one party almost inevitably loses out. More often than not players are sold against a manager or fans' wishes, individuals using that most hideous of football creations, player power, to engineer a move to a destination of his choosing. In other cases the buying club gets stung by an over-inflated minimum fee release clause, or the selling club is damaged by a player's refusal to extend a contract, thus lowering the fee it is possible to command. In Carroll's case, however, this simply isn't the case.
"If we can start with Andy Carroll that would be a great achievement for us as he can only get better and better. It is our target to make it a permanent situation. It's our main priority."
Such a statement left little room for discussion on Sam Allardyce's principle aim this summer. Mere minutes after his side's final-day 4-2 victory over Reading, West Ham's manager stated his desire to make the England striker's deal permanent. Allardyce has his man, it appears.
Making Carroll a priority came as no surprise. He is a striker that fits the manager's favoured direct approach, acting as the attacking lynchpin to which Kevin Nolan, Ricardo Vaz Te and Joe Cole or Modibo Maiga can operate. Carroll won an average of 9.3 aerial duels per game in the Premier League last season, a total bettered by no other player.
The England international may have only scored seven league goals last season (and registered four assists), but those figures were hampered significantly by a hamstring injury that limited him to 24 Premier League appearances. Interestingly, of the 34 players to score more goals in the Premier League than Carroll last season, only Demba Ba and Javier Hernandez played less minutes in getting their goals. With a full season, he should be expected to contribute 20 goals and assists combined.
A price tag of £15million may seem steep for a striker who is yet to demonstrate a consistent scoring record in the Premier League, but on investigation is not unreasonable. This is a 24-year-old that had three years left on his £80,000 per week contract at Anfield and has made nine appearances for his country, scoring at Euro 2012. The premium put on the head of English players is notorious, and West Ham paid over £8million for Matt Jarvis last summer, who is three years older than Carroll and has a solitary (and unlikely to be added to) England cap.
But if West Ham are happy to have captured Carroll, Liverpool will not mind letting him leave. The striker has struggled to settle at Anfield ever since his £35million move from Newcastle, and undoubtedly suffered through the extraordinarily inflated nature of his fee.
Furthermore, after spending substantially on the forward, Liverpool then failed to play in a style to suit their new signing. Supporters at Anfield felt that a direct approach to a target man did not fit the club's ethos of attractive attacking play, and Carroll was often left isolated, forced to drop deeper in order to involve himself in proceedings. Carroll is a penalty box striker, his effectiveness decreasing as he moves closer to midfield.
If that was the case under Kenny Dalglish, who signed the striker, it was a situation only likely to worsen under the stewardship of Brendan Rodgers. The Northern Irishman aims to imprint a philosophy of fluidity in the attacking third, with short passing and quick counter attacks. Neither of these strategies are remotely synonymous with Carroll's style, which requires long balls from defence or crosses from wide.
Rodgers' attacking signings in the last year (Daniel Sturridge, Philippe Coutinho, Iago Aspas) all fit into a mould which clashes with Carroll's assets. When such a situation occurs, there is little point in prolonging the agony. Rodgers has gained £15million boost to his transfer kitty (bearing no responsibility for the deal), whilst Liverpool have taken the £20million hit on their signing.
For the player, too, you sense relief: "It's fantastic for me to be here. I really enjoyed last season, and that shows in me coming back and making it permanent. What I wanted to do was come back here and play football."
Those last few words are the key, you feel. Carroll was more than aware that his opportunities at Anfield would be limited. At West Ham he will be the main man, particularly after the departure of Carlton Cole. His efforts will be appreciated by the Upton Park faithful, and the club's approach will suit his style.
A transfer that genuinely sits well with all parties. A rarity, but genuinely pleasing to see.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11685/8786573/The-perfect-transfer-
The perfect transfer.
Just back from injury today apparently.
Injured.
Injured.
Might be out until the new year too.
£17 million well spent there.
£17 million well spent there.
The perfect transfer. God bless you Allardyce.
17mil for Andy Caroll. fecking hell.