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Dunno about that. I'd say he isHe's just not as good as the cafe make him out. World class?? His not even in the top 10 of midfielders... How can he be world class.
Dunno about that. I'd say he isHe's just not as good as the cafe make him out. World class?? His not even in the top 10 of midfielders... How can he be world class.
That's ridiculous, he's world class without a doubt. The only midfielders in the world who you could say are better then him are Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Modric and Yaya Toure. So top 5. At dictating the tempo of the game and at passing the ball, he's probably the best around as well.He's just not as good as the cafe make him out. World class?? His not even in the top 10 of midfielders... How can he be world class.
I think it has to do with the fact that the two teams want to maintain their good relationship. Not sure we could have got much more than €30m for a player that only has 1 year left on his contract.Last year on contract makes a big difference here, but given that this is Real Madrid, who spend 30 Mil. € on appearant squad players, Bayern may have gotten more out of this than 25-26 Mil. €. Maybe they just wanted to shut this topic, though.
Well other teams will look stupid for spending a lot more on a player like Herrera. Less than 30 million for a player like Kroos is always a shock fee as no matter how long he has left on his contract. Any team should be improve that bid considering the quality of the player.I think it has to do with the fact that the two teams want to maintain their good relationship. Not sure we could have got much more than €30m for a player that only has 1 year left on his contract.
So you think he would choose us over Madrid even if we were interested? And maybe we were.For 20 Million it was literally worth buying him to stop madrid. We needed him like scholes said, the first scholes esque player I have seen in a long time and we pass him up! madness
No Pogba? Gundogan, Alonso, Pirlo, Pjanic, Koke, Fabregas? I'd even go as far and say Thiago is better than him.That's ridiculous, he's world class without a doubt. The only midfielders in the world who you could say are better then him are Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Modric and Yaya Toure. So top 5. At dictating the tempo of the game and at passing the ball, he's probably the best around as well.
Yes I can't see it being a problem putting those two together. The problem will be for other teams trying to get the ball backHe could fill the void of Ozil as there attacking midfielder. Modric could play behind him as a holding midfielder.
Are you kidding? Pogba?No Pogba? Gundogan, Alonso, Pirlo, Pjanic, Koke, Fabregas? I'd even go as far and say Thiago is better than him.
His in the exact same tier as the players mentioned and has done nothing to show otherwise. He's a great passer but he doesn't dectate the tempo... Thats rubbish!!!
If Pep tells them he think Thiago is the better player, they have to back him. They would probably want him to stay but dont want to pay him what he think he is worth.Bayern's board completely messed this up.
------------------Kroos----------Modric-------------------
Bale----------------------James--------------------Cristiano
-------------------------Benzema--------------------------
Dont think they would play like this. That midfield would need Xabi Alonso or Khedira. This lineup reminds me of Croatia playing Rakitić and Modrić as holding mids, both of them can do a job in defense but its not their main job and it takes away their power in attack.Madrid team looks stronger and stronger every year, and just show how far we are from the best team in Europe
Kroos will be an amazing player for them and will be one of the star player this year again. Just too strong (A real shame LVG didn't pushed for him)
And for their starting XI I bet on
------------------Kroos----------Modric-------------------
Bale----------------------James--------------------Cristiano
-------------------------Benzema--------------------------
He's better than all of those players, far better than some of them. He's also one of the best dictators of play in the game.No Pogba? Gundogan, Alonso, Pirlo, Pjanic, Koke, Fabregas? I'd even go as far and say Thiago is better than him.
His in the exact same tier as the players mentioned and has done nothing to show otherwise. He's a great passer but he doesn't dectate the tempo... Thats rubbish!!!
Your Rio called him a top 3 midfielder around. And I agree with that.No Pogba? Gundogan, Alonso, Pirlo, Pjanic, Koke, Fabregas? I'd even go as far and say Thiago is better than him.
His in the exact same tier as the players mentioned and has done nothing to show otherwise. He's a great passer but he doesn't dectate the tempo... Thats rubbish!!!
I'm finished.... Some of you guys have gone crazy and his not in Pogba's league and never will be.Your Rio called him a top 3 midfielder around. And I agree with that.
Pogba is a great young player, but has some way to go. Pjanic and Koke are similar to that.
Gündogan is massive, but he has to return to full strength again. Didnt play in almost a year. Thiago hasnt done the big thing Toni did the last years in CL and WC.
And sorry, but Kroos doesnt dictate the tempo? What the....
That is his job. Specially in this Germany team. He is a monster player, just 24 too.
CL Winner, WC Winner, 4 international trophies, won many things in Germany, the league of the world champion.
Im pretty happy with him. Neither Xavi or Iniesta were as good as him with 24.
Its like everyone's forgot how good Thiago is.Yeah, I don't agree that kroos dictates the tempo. There's no shame in that, and he's still a very good player and passer.
If there's a 'young' player around who dictates the tempo it's Thiago.
I don't rate him quite as highly as many on here do. He's consistent in his touch, can navigate tight spaces well enough, he has a good passing range and can score a few goals, yet there's still something missing. He's not quite got 'it', in my opinion.
Ok. You are a troll. Have fun with that.Its like everyone's forgot how good Thiago is.
In my opinion his more Carrick than Scholes I'll be honest.
Thiago whilst being a very good player is all potential at the moment.Its like everyone's forgot how good Thiago is.
In my opinion his more Carrick than Scholes I'll be honest.
Why because i said Micheal Carrick? You going to tell me Carrick's been a shit player? Who is the world? I haven't seen anyone say Toni Kroos is world class like people on here...Ok. You are a troll. Have fun with that.
The world thinks of Toni as one of the best players around. I end it there.
Your are a WUM. Most WC pundits have been saying it.Why because i said Micheal Carrick? You going to tell me Carrick's been a shit player? Who is the world? I haven't seen anyone say Toni Kroos is world class like people on here...
Maybe I'm ignorant but the United to Kroos link started first and was much stronger than Madrid's before the Van Gaal veto came through. After that I head nothing on our end.I think it had more to do with Real coming in and taking the reins. The van Gaal refusal is probably to save face.
Why is he proven? Its like saying Kleberson was proven because he won a World Cup and 'actually' played a better final than Kroos.Thiago whilst being a very good player is all potential at the moment.
Kroos is now proven.
That is the difference. Thiago hasn't played a key role in winning the UCL or the WC, Kroos has.
Doesn't mean Thiago wont reach that level, but in honesty potential can either be proven/fufilled or not.
EDIT: Not to mention the kids injury record...
Who???????Your are a WUM. Most WC pundits have been saying it.
Kleberson was a one tournament wonder. Kroos has been at it for a while UCL, EUROs, WC etc, but I do believe Schweinstiger is the better player, doesn't make Kroos any less proven.Why is he proven? Its like saying Kleberson was proven because he won a World Cup and 'actually' played a better final than Kroos.
I'm not trying to make this out like I'm slating the guy.. I just don't see why his world class and better than the players I've mentioned.. With the exception he can pass a football. In the midfield he is a cog next to Schweinstiger who i would highlight dictates the tempo. I can see Kroos getting to that level but his nowhere near it yet.
Bayern Munich Honorary President Franz Beckenbauer let the “cat out of the bag” when he disclosed:
“In a career there is also a future. And if it is an experience abroad, going to a club like Real Madrid is priceless.
“As honorary president of Bayern I regret his departure. If Toni Kroos leaves, we have lost a player of absolutely world-class.”
Read more at http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/07/...rid-after-world-cup-ends/#WLamGZvBAHvwZWqI.99
I reckon Moyes put together such an extensive list that Van Gaal's list contained as many as 80 percent of the players David had targeted or that the players were good enough for Louis even if he hadnt thought of them. Shaw and Herrera were indentified already,Vidal as well. David sold everybody on Cavani(he is a high priority somehow). If Van Gaal says yes,we pull the trigger on him too.Indeed. He was quite the scout was Moyes. Fabregas and Kroos were great finds.
I agree. Had we got UCL I'm sure he would be signing for us.I think it had more to do with Real coming in and taking the reins. The van Gaal refusal is probably to save face.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIugeqJ92Co 10:38Why because i said Micheal Carrick? You going to tell me Carrick's been a shit player? Who is the world? I haven't seen anyone say Toni Kroos is world class like people on here...
Why is he NOT world class? He was a very important player in the treble winning side of Bayern in 2013 until he got injured. And it's not like that was his first great season, even in 2009/2010 he got 9 goals and 12 assists for Leverkusen, when he was 20(!).Why is he proven? Its like saying Kleberson was proven because he won a World Cup and 'actually' played a better final than Kroos.
I'm not trying to make this out like I'm slating the guy.. I just don't see why his world class and better than the players I've mentioned.. With the exception he can pass a football. In the midfield he is a cog next to Schweinstiger who i would highlight dictates the tempo. I can see Kroos getting to that level but his nowhere near it yet.
I think you are way off with your opinion on Kroos. He has established himself in one of the top 2-3 midfields in the world right now and I can't see him not having a starter spot at any team at the moment.Why is he proven? Its like saying Kleberson was proven because he won a World Cup and 'actually' played a better final than Kroos.
I'm not trying to make this out like I'm slating the guy.. I just don't see why his world class and better than the players I've mentioned.. With the exception he can pass a football. In the midfield he is a cog next to Schweinstiger who i would highlight dictates the tempo. I can see Kroos getting to that level but his nowhere near it yet.
By doing what exactly except for being part of winning teams? Bayern have the best team in the bundesliga, Germany have the best crop of players in the world right now with Spain, its not a surprise if he wins medals his playing in great teams. Fergie judged Gerrard as not a 'top top' player because he lost the majority of midfield battles against Scholes and Keane (personal i think thats rubbish) but I haven't seen Kroos win a midfield battle against a top player yet. Madrid destroyed him and his lack of strength and mobility cost Bayern a goal. He was oblivious against us in both legs and except for the Portugal game he just done enough. In all honest Pogba showed more class than him in the France match. I just think a lot of you have rose tinted glasses on and are too obsessed in thinking because he resembles Scholes it would be rude not to call him world class.I think you are way off with your opinion on Kroos. He has established himself in one of the top 2-3 midfields in the world right now and I can't see him not having a starter spot at any team at the moment.
Thiago is nowhere near proven as Kroos is at the moment. Kroos has proven himself both on international stage, CL and in the Bundesliga.