Give credit due for getting into good positions, and for some great passing and first touch. Of course from these good positions a goal or a chance is not created every time, but to say he "fluffs" it every time, is absurd, and knee jerk and bandwagonesque
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- Appearances
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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He along with Johnny Evans are about as thick as they come, wtf? Sign a proper RB ffs.
This is much more typical of Valencia on attack these days. Nothing spectacular, but understated and spot on, and credit is never given.
Any specific examples or gifs of the thickness of this guy who´s made it all the way to the pinnacle of Man United football? Surely it is disrespectful of the club to say a player of such steadiness is as thick as they come
Between him and injury prone Shaw I know who I prefer. Can't understand all this criticism of Tony V. Consistently works his socks off, never shirks a problem and is pretty down to earth. Deserves a lot more credit.
This is the minimum requirement for ANY human being who has a job.
I can't be bothered mate. How about he stop giving away those silly freekicks when the opposition player isn't even facing him? And my point is not based on this one game, he works hard, down to earth, etc, if those are the qualities Manchester United want, then, I'm available, I'll sign for one tenth of what he earns.
Interested to know your opinion on Valencias recent performances mate. @Tomuś
My favoutite Valencia moment today was in the first half, where he burst into the box, beat a defender, realised he then had to create something, so turned back, and passed it back out of the box to Herrera.
Classic.
Classic.
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That's not really typical, though. Typical would be turning around and passing back 5 yards to Mata. Not that I blame him for this, but it's obvious he's not confident in attack at all.
If you'd only started watching Utd this year and you were told Valencia used to be a really good attacking winger there's no chance you'd believe that. He offers almost nothing going forward and he's average at best defending.
Surely he won't be a first teamer next season?
Surely he won't be a first teamer next season?
It counts for little. I've always loved Valencia as a player. So fecking powerful and determined. Don't get how anyone wouldn't be a fan. However if were being honest his deterioration as an attacking player has been crazy. He used to be so dangerous. In his first couple of seasons we'd give him the ball as much as possible safe in the knowledge he's beat his man and whip a decent cross in. What happened??? His end product is zero these days. He offers no threat to the opposition whatsoever. How can an attacking player lose all attacking ability or instinct?
I still like him as a player. I just don't understand him. What happened to Tony???
He put one cross right on Fellaini's head 2nd half..Fellaini headed it into Speroni's arms is all and now that moment doesn't exist.
In fact, in the gif that´s exactly what he does, turn around and pass it 5 yards back to Mata. And imo, as usual, it was exactly the right decision. As for losing the confidence in attack as a winger, I´d say your right, and a massive part of why he´s been brought back to right back. Take some of that pressure off. It´s obvious LVG, as well as Ferguson and Moyes wants him on the pitch. I think he and Mata are a good compliment to Young´s attack on the left.
I trust his decisions. After all, he´s a professional of Man United standards, has been for years, and not some self important punter sitting in front of the telly being hyper critical. LVG seems to trust him and rate him highly.
You serious?
An absolute disgrace, want him as RW again, maybe LVG can rediscover him.
Didn't think he was that bad today compared to the previous couple of games. He's definitely improved as a defender, but I still hope we sign a new first choice right back.
His crossing is so shit it beggars belief at times. A random guy from the crowd just randomly twatting the ball towards the box would have about as similar success rate in creating chances. It's like a cumbersome centre-back has found himself in the wing position after a corner or something.
His crossing is so shit it beggars belief at times. A random guy from the crowd just randomly twatting the ball towards the box would have about as similar success rate in creating chances. It's like a cumbersome centre-back has found himself in the wing position after a corner or something.
Why? That makes little sense considering he doesn't take on his man anymore and can't cross.
Mata put him through three times to put in a cross and he screwed up.
He needs to start less games, if we are to challenge next season.
Dont know, LVG has done more things this season, making Ashley Young turn into Robery and turn Rooney into Chamakh and Cleverley during the season, I dont know, but earlier in the season, Valencia did fine, he could still be our defensive/holding winger (does this exist)?
I just dont know, but Im sick of this line up and it uninspires me every game as its so predictable.
Btw how has he gotten from arguably the best crosser in the world (first season) to tbe worst, it's really strange.
He's so unremarkable in every aspect of the game, apart from the fact that he looks like a proper tough bastard and he tries really hard. If that's all it takes we should just sign Cheick Tiote.
So what if he put a cross onto someone who has a head the size of a hot air balloon? He's pretty average going forward and he's prone to defensive lapses. We should expect more from a player who starts pretty much every game. I'd expect any right back to put in a threatening cross at some point a game, especially if their supposed strength is their attacking play. The Baines-Fellaini combo resulted in buckets of goals for Everton a couple of seasons ago. Valencia has managed two assists this season, and only one from a cross. That's abysmal for someone who used to rack up double figures for us playing as a winger, without having the advantage of being able to aim for Fellaini's massive hair.
So what if he put a cross onto someone who has a head the size of a hot air balloon? He's pretty average going forward and he's prone to defensive lapses. We should expect more from a player who starts pretty much every game. I'd expect any right back to put in a threatening cross at some point a game, especially if their supposed strength is their attacking play. The Baines-Fellaini combo resulted in buckets of goals for Everton a couple of seasons ago. Valencia has managed two assists this season, and only one from a cross. That's abysmal for someone who used to rack up double figures for us playing as a winger, without having the advantage of being able to aim for Fellaini's massive hair.
He actually used to have a pretty decent chipped cross to the back post? Where's that disappeared from his locker?
You can see almost all our play of any intent comes from the left flank, as on the right as soon as the ball goes to valencia, whatever momentum was happening just dies, I really believe if Rafael was playing instead of him, we would cause teams a shit load of trouble
Huh?
I would personally trade him for most Right back's in the PL seeing as Valencia actually isn't one. And i quite like Valencia always have.
Antonio has did well at times this season, or as well as can be expected for a winger playing at RB. But we really need a much higher quality player in that position who can offer something going forward in this system LVG is implementing. Just being able to keep the ball is not good enough in my opinion. I like Tony V and hope we keep him as a back up but feck me i don't know how much more i could take of him turning round in circles at RB next season.
I like Valencia but, for a winger, he doesn't score anywhere enough goals.
Really want to see him as RCM again, thought he had his best game in the whole season in that position against Everton in the diamond.
We are quite thin in midfield as well so it wouldn't be the worst option and guaranteed he'll work hard, add speed and steel.
We are quite thin in midfield as well so it wouldn't be the worst option and guaranteed he'll work hard, add speed and steel.
Work hard, speed and steel....These are the qualities that a winger for United needs? Feck me.
Im saddened that Young couldnt be converted to a RB and Adnan couldnt take Young current position. One of our strongest part of the game is how well we isolate the wing backs to one and one situations. If we had someone that could either cross or beat a man from these sotuations instead of Valencia, it would add a lot more to our game.
I think he's done a remarkable job playing as a Right-back this season, especially considering that he isn't a defender, and has spent his career playing very direct and forward. I think people have underrated him and his commitment by playing there all season - as a lot of players would have said "Screw that, that's not my position, I'll go elsewhere". He's done a solid job for us and hope that he finds a decent club next season because even though he's done a job, he is no right back and we need to sign a good one in the summer. Wouldn't mind him as a squad player for the wings either - offers a great work rate, strength and pace coming off the bench.
He has been very good this season overall but he's also been terrible these past few games.
Started well yesterday and had Zaha in his pocket. I think he got skinned once, but there was a reason why Zaha had to switch sides. Valencia was just much faster and stronger; the amount of times he simply ran past Zaha was ridiculous, and he used it to his advantage going forwards also. In the second half he was much more anonymous. He is caught up the pitch a few times, no doubt.
A new right back should be a priority in the next window. Our right side will just be so much more effective with someone who can use the space and opportunities that Mata and Herera create. If we cant sign a player like that than even a RB who does nothing but defend well would be an improvement and should be considered.
Tony should be a squad player next year
Tony should be a squad player next year
Except that is his position now, he has been playing there as early as 2012, we have to stop pretending he is just filling in and accept that's his position now, and more importantly that he isn't good enough to be right back for United, not even close. Its a shame because he seems like a top bloke but he's cost us far too often this season.
He was out of position so many times yesterday. It's critical that we buy an actual RB.
Those are his biggest strengths. I've said it before, but his physical attributes are brilliant for a defender. He is so, so hard to beat 1v1. It's just his poor defensive brain that lets him down (as well as his ability going forward). If LvG can continue to work at him then he could turn him into a good fullback. But does he have the capacity to still learn and develop at his age?
For the love of all that's good in this world. What's the next level after clutching at straws? If his current standard of "crossing" is considered "improved" then Kyle Walker should be playing for Barca. Btw. Anyone saw how Coleman played this weekend? I wish.
I think (like several other players eg Blind) that he is mentally exhausted (not necessarily physically) - they are all on edge and the 3 loss run increases the stress - some are playing for their Utd careers and 4th is a must. The entire team's form has plummeted the past month.
It's only his position this year - in Fergie's last year he only played there when Rafael was injured (which wasn't half as much as now) and under Moyes he still played wing mostly including our pummeling of Bayer Leverkeusen.
Its his position now, he's more of a right back than he is a winger but it doesn't matter because he isn't good enough in either position.
His poorest spell this season by far. Utterly disgusting against Everton esp. Gets too much far too much slack for Palace game, though.