But that has nothing to do with Dortmund who won the league in 2002, they didn't spent 20 years without winning the league and they were not as wealthy as Liverpool, they don't have the same profile.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I agree with those points but there were other challenges at Liverpool that appear to be attractive to him.
Was Thursday's winning atmosphere contrived? I agree, like most big clubs, the atmosphere is a problem but not always. Get a big game, win big and it's great. Using 'contrived' is a bit strong. It's not like we play music when we score like some.
I agree with that argument, Liverpool are a good challenge and a good club. Now United are also a good challenge and are also a good club, I named United but it could have been Arsenal, Tottenham or Valencia. The profile doesn't exclude United, since United offers its own challenge.
You do have Mighty Red, though, who seems to have escaped the fallout from the Rodgers era. He lobbed Brendan under the bus, the sneaky careerist bastid...
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It's really contrived.
YAWN pumped over speakers pre-game, everyone has a sing-along and waves grandiose cheesy banners (think Brendan Rodgers staring into the distance like Barack Obama, or a wistful overly emotive motivational quote, or shit players like Aquiliani dressed as a Roman gladiator with Latin text - the sort of thing that would make most fans die of embarrassment).
Then usually complete silence, quite possibly the worst in the division, unless as you say, you're winning or close to winning a big game (but fans that can't make an atmosphere when winning a big game should just pack it in altogether really).
Then sing YAWN again at the end, and package it as a good atmosphere.
It's a total charade.
It matters not to the point that I was making is what I meant. The idea that he didn't come to United because Liverpool was a more romantic option. He wasn't available when we were replacing Fergie.
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Yeah, I'm dead embarrassed. Defo worst in the division. All points don't come across as a United fan talking about Liverpool fans. Totally valid.
Kraftwerker is just the worst when it comes to discussing Liverpool.
How is this any different to any other big club? Regardless of how below par Liverpool have been for the last 25 years, the expectation is there to beat the so called 'lesser sides' and when that doesn't happen the fans portray a quiet and disappointed atmosphere. It's no different to what I see at Arsenal or United when the performance/result isn't great against a side that they should be beating. Fans moaning, getting on the managers back, leaving early.
Your comment is a more accurate view of the modern 'big club' supporter in this country.
To be fair, I said it's the sort of thing that would make most fans embarrassed, not Liverpool fans, you love that cringey self-indulgent shit.
It's a fair representation of the atmosphere at Anfield these days. If they were being honest with themselves, plenty of match-going fans would agree I'm sure.
Because other big clubs don't dress it up as something it's not, or in the case of this thread, draw false parallels with Dortmund (the club renowned for having the best atmosphere in Europe).
And when the atmosphere's at its best at Old Trafford, at least it's spontaneous rather than contrived soppy bollocks, book-ending silence.
I think you guys are getting carried away a bit. When Klopp took over Dortmund he was managing in the second division, aside from some initial interest by Bayern a year before that (afaik they considered both him and Klinsmann back then but decided to appoint the latter 
) he really didn't have huge offers he could've turned down. So there really is no basis for saying stuff like he would've turned down United once he was a free agent because supposedly the job would not have been challenging enough (which is bollocks anyway, because United need a massive re-build which certainly won't be easy).
Now I'm fairly certain that all the Anfield/Liverpool hype was a factor, but at the same time Unitedi largely seen as a "proper" football club in Germany too (as opposed to the likes of Chelsea or City).
) he really didn't have huge offers he could've turned down. So there really is no basis for saying stuff like he would've turned down United once he was a free agent because supposedly the job would not have been challenging enough (which is bollocks anyway, because United need a massive re-build which certainly won't be easy).Now I'm fairly certain that all the Anfield/Liverpool hype was a factor, but at the same time Unitedi largely seen as a "proper" football club in Germany too (as opposed to the likes of Chelsea or City).
I agree it's quiet when I go or see it on telly - but look at atmospheres at United. I've been at OT and it's silent. No better. As for City and Chelsea they hand out flags. What's that about?
My issue is the notion that's it's all a charade when noise is generated. Authentic atmosphere is still possible and Anfield is brilliant when the atmosphere is good. Tuchel and Hummels both acknowledged that it was a huge factor on Thursday. That was real. No charade.
I don't see how you can say that a good atmosphere at Anfield is any different to a good atmosphere at any other ground. A good atmosphere is a good atmosphere in my eyes. When you're playing a superior side and playing as the underdogs it kind of creates itself. I always see it when Arsenal play someone better than them in Europe. If we'd been playing Sparta Prague on Thursday instead of Dortmund I doubt there would have been the same feeling before, during and after the game.
The Dortmund comparison I agree with you on, their fans are much better than ours.
Brilliantly is quite the stretch. He'd made the semis of the Europa League and been average in the league. Brilliant is what Pochettino has done, or of course Simeone or Ranieri (this season).Klopp's a brilliant wind bag.
I imagine most stadiums are brilliant when the atmosphere is good. Isn't Leicester's stadium absolutely rocking week in week out these days? I wonder why.
Going round in circles now.
Re: other big clubs, see my reply to Klopper above this one.
Re: the good atmosphere in big games when winning or close to winning. I already acknowledged that further up the page (but highlighted that it's true of pretty much any club).
My point is that the Anfield atmosphere is a bit of a myth outside these circumstances, and the club/fans try to overcompensate with those elaborate set plays, with the loudspeaker YAWN and cheesy banners. That's the contrived element.
That is just a short period for United on the way to get back where they were. It is just a matter of time. That is just how I as a Not-United-Fan see your situation. You, Chelsea, City and Arsenal are still the top 4 - even if the last two seasons say something different.
And I think that most of you see yourself in a bracket with Real, Barcelona, Bayern a lot more than with Atletico, Dortmund etc. - on the long run.
Dortmund is not an underdog in the real sense either - in relation to Bayern, yes, but not to the rest of the league.
Oops. My world view is unraveling with this withering riposte.
I think he's right in one point, though. It was a lucky coincidence for both parties, the club and Klopp. That he resigned in all honours doesn't change that I had a feeling it was a match made in heaven, emotionally. So you're also right, he does have a profile of picking the underdog. But if he had left earlier and Manchester United had offered him the position... he is a human that needs to work wages, after all. United isn't such a bad prospect.
But this is all speculation, he's at Liverpool and as someone who's neither a fan of Liverpool nor Manchester, I'm getting the feeling it turned out quite well for him. He'll stay there for a while, if you let him.
You'll get better with experience. We all started somewhere.
Unsurprisingly, I agree with all these points
An article written by a Blue about the contrived charade of an atmosphere at Anfield...enjoy.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-borussia-dortmund-europa-league-jurgen-klopp
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-borussia-dortmund-europa-league-jurgen-klopp
Come on now. What a load of supernatural misty-eyed mumbo jumbo.
You sure that guy's not a dipper? He certainly writes like one.
Piece of piss writing articles for an LFC audience. Use flowery and emotive language, suggest something supernatural about Anfield, for added effect throw in something about class and dignity, or mention knowledgeable supporters. LFC bingo.
If the support's so good why could you hear a pin drop when the team were 2 goals down down and needed the support more than any other point?
Everyone knows that without Countinho's intervention that atmosphere just plays out like all the others. Two coreographed renditions of YAWN book-ending a subdued silence. Any club's fans can shout and scream during a stirring comeback.
You sure that guy's not a dipper? He certainly writes like one.
Piece of piss writing articles for an LFC audience. Use flowery and emotive language, suggest something supernatural about Anfield, for added effect throw in something about class and dignity, or mention knowledgeable supporters. LFC bingo.
If the support's so good why could you hear a pin drop when the team were 2 goals down down and needed the support more than any other point?
Everyone knows that without Countinho's intervention that atmosphere just plays out like all the others. Two coreographed renditions of YAWN book-ending a subdued silence. Any club's fans can shout and scream during a stirring comeback.
Ok, it's obviously a tad provocative but behind the hyperbole there's a truth in the article. Tuchel acknowledges it...maybe he should get on the Caf and read some sense! It's all a sham!
I think Liverpool fans are nowhere near Dortmund fans in terms of support and the atmosphere often sucks when they play inferior sides but it was fantastic vs Dortmund and contributed to the comeback. But the same can be said about many other teams when they play big clubs.
Anyone who believes this supernatural nonsense is a moron, Tuchel included.
Perhaps looking for a distraction from the monumental tactical cluster-f*ck and bottle-job that saw them throw away the game. That's the real culprit here, not some mystic paranormal shit.
Perhaps looking for a distraction from the monumental tactical cluster-f*ck and bottle-job that saw them throw away the game. That's the real culprit here, not some mystic paranormal shit.
It's not paranormal, it's about an atmosphere getting into the heads of a very good side.
There's enough people saying it - journalists, players, managers, pundits - for it to hold water. If laying the blame at the door of their manager makes it more palatable then more power to you.
There is an argument of course to suggest the different motivational qualities of the 2 respective managers (& not so much the atmosphere) might have been a key factor in us overcoming Dortmund's 3-1 lead. Who knows ? Who cares ?
It is paranormal when you start talking about it in terms of destiny and of some hidden power dictating matters beyond the manager and players' control. It's all quasi-religious bullshit all too often rolled out and propagated by misty-eyed fools who believe in these things. You can see why it appeals to your fans so much.
The crowd were silent when the team needed support at two goals down. Coutinho scored anyway despite lack of support from the crowd because he's a great player, not because of some unseen supernatural force from a largely quiet crowd up until that deciding moment.
You'd have to question how these players would cope in La Bombonera or at somewhere like Besiktas, if the relatively meek and pedestrian Anfield crowd can affect them so much.
A lot of Liverpool fans - myself included - feel Klopp made a massive error by not having Joe Allen in from the start. The Welsh Pirlo is very much in form & I seriously doubt Dortmund would have been afforded the acres of space to run in to for the first 2 goals had he been on the pitch. Had we gone on to lose the match, then I'm sure our big, crazy, German manager would have come in for a lot of criticism for his gung-ho approach to the game. He got away with it by the skin of his teutonic teeth. He might not be so lucky next time. But that's football I suppose.
True. Taking off Adam Lallana is rarely not a good decision.
Kloppy is definitely feeding in to that side of things. He clearly recognizes that a portion of the support are or want to be as fanatically unhinged as he sets out to appear on the sideline. Pushing at an open door. If it works, most people would say fair enough.
fecking berk.
fecking berk.
What journalist was it? Sounds like a smug twat.
Why i am not manager of some top team in PL with decent amount of English internationals in it...i swear,tones of options to troll those morons of journos. I understand why they doing it but geee come on,same crap when it comes to Rooney,LvG being asked some nonsense,he even said that he wont talk about Rooney or any individual and they still push.
"So what you think about ( English internationals name)`s game today,he was ultra mega giga superb,wasnt he?
"No,he was fecking shit" or mention all non English names and praise them like there is no tomorrow "Yea foreigners had great game,they were superb,you can see the difference in quality compared with domestic players (even if its not true)"
no idea, but he didn't come across well.
Yeah this does annoy me. Also you can see the complete difference between Germany and England, one talks about team play, one talks about individual skill.