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Carlo Ancellotti in October 2015

Ancelotti spent two years in Spain with Real Madrid between 2013 and 2015, and he insists that he doesn’t hold any ill feeling towards the La Liga giants despite his dismissal.

“There was nothing complicated about my farewell to Real Madrid,” he continued. “If you don’t win there, you move on.

“I know it’s not normal, but when I signed with Real I knew that it could happen. I spent two fantastic years there, but now I have to find another club.”

Meanwhile, the experienced coach also discussed one of his former players, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and didn’t agree with suggestions that the Swedish international is on the decline.

“Ibrahimovic has changed the mentality of the team,” he added. “I think this year the team can win the Champions League or at least get to the semi-finals.

“Ibrahimovic is not on the decline, as he still trains a lot. He’s like Cristiano Ronaldo, Paolo Maldini, Andrea Pirlo and Zinedine Zidane. I have trained them all and they are very professional people that always want to win.”

With his name being linked with various vacant positions around Europe, Ancelotti confirmed that he will be back in the fold next season.

“I watch a lot of games,” he noted. “I attend conferences and I await the end of the season to find a team.”
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Carlo Ancelotti about Ibra in his autobiography

Zlatan was in my eyes, without doubt, the key to PSG's improvement. His fascinating character, his consistant excellence in training, and how he focused and prepared for matches were always examples for his teammates [...] When I arrived at PSG, I had heard of him as a difficult player to manage. On the contrary, I found myself a helpful, professional champion who was always focused on his work. Not only have I never had a problem with him, even better, he was often a great help to me [...] He loves being a leader, he was born with this attitude - he never avoids his responsibilities, rather he seeks them because they help him give the best of his ability. He is the most unselfish player I have met, and I consider him as one of the greatest current forwards, alongside Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.
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How can a player who keeps improving every season be declared past his prime or over the hill?

Mods, can we play the racist card? Its about this level of brain power.
 

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I'm not sure if that will be the case considering the extortionate wage and signing on fee he will receive.

How much we thinking? If he is already on £300k a week. We'll at least match that, most likely raise it. Signing on fee at least £10m?

We're paying about £30m for a year or (£50m) two of his services?
but that goes out the window when to sign another striker (say Higuin) we would need to pay £50 million plus and also pay 200k wages. so by that standard, Ibra is extremely low risk and cost, as well as conveniently being the exact player we need.
 

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It's not like we're hoping to revive some player 2 or 3 years past his prime. This is a player coming off the best season of his life. A season in which he scored 48 goals. That's more than we managed in the league altogether. He may be 34 but he doesn't show it, and I know which of the two stats I'm more interested in.
 

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Even if we signed him and he fell apart after a few months I think he'd be worth it because you can pretty much guarantee he'd win us some points on his own. We don't have anyone like that right now besides DDG and Martial. And, as we're seeing again, every single point ends up being important.
 

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I'm not sure if that will be the case considering the extortionate wage and signing on fee he will receive.

How much we thinking? If he is already on £300k a week. We'll at least match that, most likely raise it. Signing on fee at least £10m?

We're paying about £30m for a year or (£50m) two of his services?
I don't see a problem as we don't have to pay about 40 additional millions to PSG for a player who can easily provide team with 20 goals or even more, on every competitive level.

After failing to qualify to CL I don't think we have a big luxury of choice between that many quality strikers and Ibra happens to be an indisputable quality plus actually wanting to play in England.
 

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I don't see a problem as we don't have to pay about 40 additional millions to PSG for a player who can easily provide team with 20 goals or even more, on every competitive level.

After failing to qualify to CL I don't think we have a big luxury of choice between that many quality strikers and Ibra happens to be an indisputable quality plus actually wanting to play in England.
Yep. We've moaned for three years about there not being a 20+ goal a season striker available. Now one is falling into our laps.
 

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You simply don't know your football if you say no to Ibra coming here. How is this even a question
 

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No one is bullying Zlatan physically and his pace is pretty quick for a big guy so I do not believe he will be affected by the pace and power of the premier league as a lot of people suggest. However the biggest factor for me is he knows how to score goals, surely this is the barometer for us potentially signing him. Wayne Rooney who I'd suggest most want to be not starting of us next year is 4 years younger and looks in worse physical shape than Zlatan plus the fact Wayne has also amassed 50 club goals in all comps over past 3 years, not terrible by any means, compared to the 120 Zlatan has scored over the same period then its a no brainer for me. He is also not a youngster coming from a lesser league he is a seasoned pro who has played for some huge clubs in his career and almost single handily is still the main man for his national team. Add the arrogance and self importance he possesses in spades I'd wager he would be coming here to be the main man and working his utmost to achieve that status, even if just for a year.
Rashford is 18 and Martial is only 20, learning from one of the best forwards of the last decade would be invaluable. As long as we sign more pace on our right side and top central midfielder we would in very good shape going into the next season, especially with Jose in charge as opposed to the current clown.
Will these both things happen, no one knows 100% but I very much hope they do.
 

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I'd rather take a risk on any of these 10 than Ibra - that is how little I think he will contribute to this team.

That list is only of player who I expect to be very attainable. Not to mention 2 option who would fit the bill perfectly - Kane and Aubumeyang. I know they will be almost impossible to get.
This is a gem of a post :lol: :lol:
 

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Ibra would be his baby though, so who knows.

I'm of the impression you need pace to be a top striker in this league, so the prospect of a 35 year old Ibrahimovic (a player I've never rated that highly) leading our attack doesn't fill me with promise.
Harry Kane has great pace? Did Van Persie have good pace when he was the best player in the league and led us to a title? Giroud scored 16 goals this season in the PL and he isn't even that good of a striker, let alone pacey.
 

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I still say that he is not good enough for MUFC.
I think he is a conference level player. Just look at this pathetic attempt at a goal.


EDIT: From what I hear he only scored 38 league goals all season. Thats pitiful.
Our whole team managed to score more than that. Pffft...
 

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I'd rather take a risk on any of these 10 than Ibra - that is how little I think he will contribute to this team.

That list is only of player who I expect to be very attainable. Not to mention 2 option who would fit the bill perfectly - Kane and Aubumeyang. I know they will be almost impossible to get.
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I'm not sure if that will be the case considering the extortionate wage and signing on fee he will receive.

How much we thinking? If he is already on £300k a week. We'll at least match that, most likely raise it. Signing on fee at least £10m?

We're paying about £30m for a year or (£50m) two of his services?
If he really wants to come here he will settle for £200k a fee or something near that. He will get an amazing deal in the US or China in 2-3 years anyway plus his marketability is amazing.
 

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How can a player who keeps improving every season be declared past his prime or over the hill?

Mods, can we play the racist card? Its about this level of brain power.
I don't think people necessarily think he's in "decline" in the normal meaning of the word. People do however feel that for a good chunk of his career he's taken the somewhat easy option in terms of teams and leagues he plays in. He's also struggled for a good chunk of his career when playing top class teams.

My view is if he came to United it'd be a mark on his career, such would be his failure to make an impact. In fact I'd go further and say that it might even cause people to scrutinise his career a little more as to what level he ever reached (ie was he very good or was he great).

I have no doubt that for PSG he'd score 30 goals next season whilst walking around the pitch, flicking the ball about and having a general laugh. In the Premier League though I think he'll seriously struggle.

I'd say given his career choices so far he'll pass on the United gig and continue to amble around dominating in the US or China. I certainly hope so as a United fan.
 

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I don't think people necessarily think he's in "decline" in the normal meaning of the word. People do however feel that for a good chunk of his career he's taken the somewhat easy option in terms of teams and leagues he plays in. He's also struggled for a good chunk of his career when playing top class teams.

My view is if he came to United it'd be a mark on his career, such would be his failure to make an impact. In fact I'd go further and say that it might even cause people to scrutinise his career a little more as to what level he ever reached (ie was he very good or was he great).

I have no doubt that for PSG he'd score 30 goals next season whilst walking around the pitch, flicking the ball about and having a general laugh. In the Premier League though I think he'll seriously struggle.

I'd say given his career choices so far he'll pass on the United gig and continue to amble around dominating in the US or China. I certainly hope so as a United

Ajax. Juventus. Inter. Barcelona. Milan. PSG.
273 goals. 0.6 goals/game. 10 league titles (12 if you include Juventus 04/05, 05/06)
 

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A front three of Martial, Zlatan, and Rashford would be great. Rashford can play inside the middle when Zlatan is rested.
 

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I'd rather take a risk on any of these 10 than Ibra - that is how little I think he will contribute to this team.

That list is only of player who I expect to be very attainable. Not to mention 2 option who would fit the bill perfectly - Kane and Aubumeyang. I know they will be almost impossible to get.
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Nobody doubts that he has been prolific and won a lot of league titles. Finneh's point is that he has tended to make career choices that allow him to play against weaker competition, in less physically demanding leagues, and in teams that will be built around him. Its a fair point. Since the mid 2000s, the Premier League, La Liga, and the Bundesliga have been a clear cut above all other leagues in terms of quality. And those three (especially the Premier League and Bundesliga IMO) are also pretty clearly the more physically demanding leagues (when compared to Serie A and Ligue 1) in terms of the pace of the game, the amount of pressing, the toughness of tackling, etc. Zlatan is a great player who could have gone anywhere he wanted on many occasions yet essentially chose to avoid the toughest domestic competitions, except for his one ill-fated year at Barcelona. Those are just the facts of the matter. That doesn't necessarily mean he can't hack it in the Premier League but it raises some questions about his career and mentality.
 

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I still say that he is not good enough for MUFC.
I think he is a conference level player. Just look at this pathetic attempt at a goal.


EDIT: From what I hear he only scored 38 league goals all season. Thats pitiful.
Our whole team managed to score more than that. Pffft...

Meh, he's too old. The French league is shit etc.
 

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I don't think people necessarily think he's in "decline" in the normal meaning of the word. People do however feel that for a good chunk of his career he's taken the somewhat easy option in terms of teams and leagues he plays in. He's also struggled for a good chunk of his career when playing top class teams.

My view is if he came to United it'd be a mark on his career, such would be his failure to make an impact. In fact I'd go further and say that it might even cause people to scrutinise his career a little more as to what level he ever reached (ie was he very good or was he great).

I have no doubt that for PSG he'd score 30 goals next season whilst walking around the pitch, flicking the ball about and having a general laugh. In the Premier League though I think he'll seriously struggle.

I'd say given his career choices so far he'll pass on the United gig and continue to amble around dominating in the US or China. I certainly hope so as a United fan.
Nobody doubts that he has been prolific and won a lot of league titles. Finneh's point is that he has tended to make career choices that allow him to play against weaker competition, in less physically demanding leagues, and in teams that will be built around him. Its a fair point. Since the mid 2000s, the Premier League, La Liga, and the Bundesliga have been a clear cut above all other leagues in terms of quality. And those three (especially the Premier League and Bundesliga IMO) are also pretty clearly the more physically demanding leagues (when compared to Serie A and Ligue 1) in terms of the pace of the game, the amount of pressing, the toughness of tackling, etc. Zlatan is a great player who could have gone anywhere he wanted on many occasions yet essentially chose to avoid the toughest domestic competitions, except for his one ill-fated year at Barcelona. Those are just the facts of the matter. That doesn't necessarily mean he can't hack it in the Premier League but it raises some questions about his career and mentality.
I feel there is quite a bit of revisionism going on here.

1) The Serie A was not an inferior league to the EPL and particularly not the Bundesliga in 04/05 and 05/06. Milan winning the CL in 2007 and Inter in 2009 demonstrates that is till held a high level the years after that. It is regularly acknowledged as maybe the toughest league for a striker to play in. He was foreigner of the year in 04/05 for Juventus, when the league was arguably the best in the world. Later, he was superb for Inter and Milan, two teams which previously had a dip in form and success like United has now. He was also very good for Barcelona, breaking records, until he fell out with Pep who started preferring bloody Bojan, who could not cut it for Roma, Milan or Ajax.
2) Zlatan may not have been at his best against English teams in the CL knockouts (where he still has generally been pretty good in some games), but he has performed against the very best teams and nations at every other stage. World Cups, Euros, many high profile CL games, and league derbies. This whole flat track bully thing is a myth based upon his initial performances against English sides in the CL knockouts - English sides which usually were stronger than Zlatan's teams and reached the finals that year.
 

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I feel there is quite a bit of revisionism going on here.

1) The Serie A was not an inferior league to the EPL and particularly not the Bundesliga in 04/05 and 05/06. Milan winning the CL in 2007 and Inter in 2009 demonstrates that is till held a high level the years after that. It is regularly acknowledged as maybe the toughest league for a striker to play in. He was foreigner of the year in 04/05 for Juventus, when the league was arguably the best in the world. Later, he was superb for Inter and Milan, two teams which previously had a dip in form and success like United has now. He was also very good for Barcelona, breaking records, until he fell out with Pep who started preferring bloody Bojan, who could not cut it for Roma, Milan or Ajax.
2) Zlatan may not have been at his best against English teams in the CL knockouts (where he still has generally been pretty good in some games), but he has performed against the very best teams and nations at every other stage. World Cups, Euros, many high profile CL games, and league derbies. This whole flat track bully thing is a myth based upon his initial performances against English sides in the CL knockouts - English sides which usually were stronger than Zlatan's teams and reached the finals that year.
Good post, I agree with that. Basically, most people who are against signing Ibra here have reasoning that can be easily debunked. And some of it is just downright hilarious with that top 10 target list being the pinnacle of it all :lol:
 

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I feel there is quite a bit of revisionism going on here.

1) The Serie A was not an inferior league to the EPL and particularly not the Bundesliga in 04/05 and 05/06. Milan winning the CL in 2007 and Inter in 2009 demonstrates that is till held a high level the years after that. It is regularly acknowledged as maybe the toughest league for a striker to play in. He was foreigner of the year in 04/05 for Juventus, when the league was arguably the best in the world. Later, he was superb for Inter and Milan, two teams which previously had a dip in form and success like United has now. He was also very good for Barcelona, breaking records, until he fell out with Pep who started preferring bloody Bojan, who could not cut it for Roma, Milan or Ajax.
2) Zlatan may not have been at his best against English teams in the CL knockouts (where he still has generally been pretty good in some games), but he has performed against the very best teams and nations at every other stage. World Cups, Euros, many high profile CL games, and league derbies. This whole flat track bully thing is a myth based upon his initial performances against English sides in the CL knockouts - English sides which usually were stronger than Zlatan's teams and reached the finals that year.
Good post.

Also, nice to note at this point that there's a clear dichotomy. On the one hand, we admit that we're struggling to break down "weaker" teams and being able to score when teams set up to just keep us out and nick either a point or a goal (and win) on the counter. On the other, we're opposed to a striker who would - as per this limited worldview being propagated - batter the living daylights out of the weaker teams. Hmmm...

For what it's worth, I think we should jump all over Raiola if Ibra is offered. Bonus is of course, that he would promptly ask for LvG to be sacked - and that can hardly be a bad thing! Ibra is a consummate professional, is still at the peak of his powers and is probably the best all-round forward the world has seen since van Basten. Additionally, he'd also bring with him the "right" kind of ego. The ego that will not settle for being second (or fifth in our case) best. He drives himself and his teams and that can only help us.
 

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I feel there is quite a bit of revisionism going on here.

1) The Serie A was not an inferior league to the EPL and particularly not the Bundesliga in 04/05 and 05/06. Milan winning the CL in 2007 and Inter in 2009 demonstrates that is till held a high level the years after that. It is regularly acknowledged as maybe the toughest league for a striker to play in. He was foreigner of the year in 04/05 for Juventus, when the league was arguably the best in the world. Later, he was superb for Inter and Milan, two teams which previously had a dip in form and success like United has now. He was also very good for Barcelona, breaking records, until he fell out with Pep who started preferring bloody Bojan, who could not cut it for Roma, Milan or Ajax.
2) Zlatan may not have been at his best against English teams in the CL knockouts (where he still has generally been pretty good in some games), but he has performed against the very best teams and nations at every other stage. World Cups, Euros, many high profile CL games, and league derbies. This whole flat track bully thing is a myth based upon his initial performances against English sides in the CL knockouts - English sides which usually were stronger than Zlatan's teams and reached the finals that year.
I'll be the 3rd one to add that that's a good post.

I will however counter that for all the praise in point 1, it's still around 10 years ago though. That said, his physicality was almost made for this league I swear.
 

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Good post.

Also, nice to note at this point that there's a clear dichotomy. On the one hand, we admit that we're struggling to break down "weaker" teams and being able to score when teams set up to just keep us out and nick either a point or a goal (and win) on the counter. On the other, we're opposed to a striker who would - as per this limited worldview being propagated - batter the living daylights out of the weaker teams. Hmmm...

For what it's worth, I think we should jump all over Raiola if Ibra is offered. Bonus is of course, that he would promptly ask for LvG to be sacked - and that can hardly be a bad thing! Ibra is a consummate professional, is still at the peak of his powers and is probably the best all-round forward the world has seen since van Basten. Additionally, he'd also bring with him the "right" kind of ego. The ego that will not settle for being second (or fifth in our case) best. He drives himself and his teams and that can only help us.
You are stretching it a bit by saying he's the best all round since Van Basten and I'm a Zlatan fan plus he's not at the peak of his powers. I agree though would be an interesting signing but we must surround him with pace if he signs.
 

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Also, while Zlatan has a good relationship with Mourinho, I have some doubts about whether he is really willing to put in the defensive work that Jose usually asks of his forward players. Effective high pressing starts with the striker.

Mourinho has always afforded freedom to world-class players, Ronaldo for one. Ibra played under Mourinho at Inter in 08/09 and was very good under him, and he also said that the one regret of his career is that he didn't play for longer under Jose.

There is no doubt that if Mourinho becomes our manager, he will want Ibra &, if the rumours are true, Ibra will want to come here. I imagine the team will be built around him - he was never a runner anyway, he will have others to cover ground for him.
 

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You are stretching it a bit by saying he's the best all round since Van Basten and I'm a Zlatan fan plus he's not at the peak of his powers. I agree though would be an interesting signing but we must surround him with pace if he signs.
Heheh... I'm a van Basten fanboy. Childhood idol and I still watch his videos when I want to fall back in love with the game - typically after watching a United game under LvG... He's not a van Basten - but he has a similar level of guile, the tricks and the extreme balance and flexibility that van Basten had. He's not at his peak in terms of age etc., but he was never the quickest and he's just had the highest-scoring season of his career - almost outscoring our entire team by himself! He'd be the signing for the short-term, yes, but would really boost our profile commercially and bring something to the team that excites fans once again.

As for pace, that's a given. We need pace regardless of who we play in that position. I just feel I'd rather spend on Ibra's wages for a season or two and give the likes of Rashford (and maybe Martial) the chance to step into the central striker role than spunk out 60-70 Mn on a Higuaín and shut that position. Obviously I don't think anyone would say it's a great idea to start the season with Rashford and Rooney vying for that spot...
 

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Heheh... I'm a van Basten fanboy. Childhood idol and I still watch his videos when I want to fall back in love with the game - typically after watching a United game under LvG... He's not a van Basten - but he has a similar level of guile, the tricks and the extreme balance and flexibility that van Basten had. He's not at his peak in terms of age etc., but he was never the quickest and he's just had the highest-scoring season of his career - almost outscoring our entire team by himself! He'd be the signing for the short-term, yes, but would really boost our profile commercially and bring something to the team that excites fans once again.

As for pace, that's a given. We need pace regardless of who we play in that position. I just feel I'd rather spend on Ibra's wages for a season or two and give the likes of Rashford (and maybe Martial) the chance to step into the central striker role than spunk out 60-70 Mn on a Higuaín and shut that position. Obviously I don't think anyone would say it's a great idea to start the season with Rashford and Rooney vying for that spot...
Yep agree with most that but if we could get another Martial type would rather have that option. But would be some buzz knowing Zlatan has signed up.
 

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Yep agree with most that but if we could get another Martial type would rather have that option. But would be some buzz knowing Zlatan has signed up.
By "another Martial type" I assume you mean a young player on the up. Brilliant when it works out, but look at Memphis! It's high-risk to bank on those players alone and we're very light up top. We currently have only Rashford and Martial and if we play Martial centrally, we have gaping holes on both the left and the right wing - assuming Memphis won't suddenly light up the place with a stunning turnaround. Also, both Rashford and Martial are really young. We should really have some experience too in that position (and no, Rooney doesn't count). That's why I'd be all for Ibra coming in - along with another youngster. That would set up nicely for the year or two that Ibra can still play at this level, with the youngsters proving their worth and learning from the great man.

Buzz - undeniable. And much needed...
 

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Maybe he does go missing in big games, but he's a consistent goalscorer and exactly what we need for mounting a challenge in the league
Exactly, over the course of a season he has won you a league title. He has shown this time after time in every league he has been in - a proven history record.
 
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