Edgar Allan Pillow
Ero-Sennin
They'll just morph into Immigration, Britain First etc.Why would they remain an electoral force? They're a single issue party without an issue to run on.
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They'll just morph into Immigration, Britain First etc.Why would they remain an electoral force? They're a single issue party without an issue to run on.
better how exactly? they are of a generation that voted for the single market in the first place, profited greatly from it, then have now stopped anyone else potentially doing the same. they are the first generation in history (outside major wars) where their children aren't doing better than them. they're greedy fecks who want it all and to give as little as possible back (sweeping generalisation i know and know many voted to remain.) them voting to leave is them having their cake and eating it then making someone else pay for it and clean up their crumbs, but hey, at least they had a nice piece of cake.Why would they if their quality of life was better pre-EU?
I agree with what @Rory 7 said.Yes, but that doesn't mean they'll remain an electoral force. If UKIP morphs into a BNP style party and manages to increase its popularity the UK has far bigger issues than Brexit.
The moved beyond that at the last election. They had a full manifesto tailored to the disenfranchised working class. I can't see UKIP disbanding now.Why would they remain an electoral force? They're a single issue party without an issue to run on.
I'm aware. I read it. It wasn't very good.The moved beyond that at the last election. They had a full manifesto tailored to the disenfranchised working class.
UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.Pound already at it's lowest in 30 years, markets taking a thrashing, calls for independence referendums in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Whispers that Brussels will look to make an example of us. Just how bad will the shit show get? Or is there light at the end of t he tunnel?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...s-brexit-nightmare-mean-for-ireland-1.2697702How?
Feel exactly the same way. Still in shock and disappointment.This is slowly hitting me more as the day progresses.
I pride myself on seeing other peoples points of view, but this has been a real blow to the system. By tomorrow I think I will have accepted it, but I think I'll always feel ashamed of this vote
Totally the wrong way of looking at it.UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.
Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
And an even bigger lack of brains.Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
Since you don't need to enter GB to switch flights basically, it won't have a big impact. Just think off alle the big international hubs, none have a problem because of visa regulations.Could this have any impact on the airports? London is the busiest transport hub in the world. Will it continue that way given the inevitably harsher restrictions that will be imposed on EU citizens entering and passing through?
Agreed completely.The way I see it, David Cameron fecked you all over. Remain and Leave alike.
Setting this up as a simple stay/leave decision is just utterly reckless. You essentially went to vote on "Status quo or.... um, we don't really know what 'leave' exactly will entail, but less immigrants, mkay?'.
The sensible decision would have been two referendums. One whether you should begin negotiations to leave EU. And another, when finalised, whether you want to leave once those terms have been laid out.
I am astounded at the naitevity of this referendum. Lord of the Flies stuff this.
That's true, yeah.Since you don't need to enter GB to switch flights basically, it won't have a big impact. Just think off alle the big international hubs, none have a problem because of visa regulations.
Some procedures might change, rest will be unaffected.
because i dont have your opinion?And an even bigger lack of brains.
Greece fecked itself, no reason to blame the EU.UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.
Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
So did Louis Van Gaal, and look how that turned out.UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.
Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
These groups grow in rough economic times, i'm afraid they will be getting even more popular.Does anyone think that UKIP fade away over the next few years?
Corruption is a big issue but joined the euro was the dead sentence.Greece fecked itself, no reason to blame the EU.
Although I agree that we should have left Greece for dead ages ago.
In truth if you are equating level of intelligence with wanting to remain, this is a bit of a red herring. The correlation is more with age group and wanting to remain, the younger the age group though the greater chance of having a higher level of education. Naturally a decent % of this higher education are in subjects that have no bearing on academic intelligence (whereas 30+ years ago most university education courses were academically based). The below illustrates my point (low classed as not completing secondary school, medium classed as A level equivalents, with high being University).The higher the level of education, the higher the EU support - According the polls, university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU - while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.
Giving people the referendum was the right thing to do. People wanted it and we are a democracy.The way I see it, David Cameron fecked you all over. Remain and Leave alike.
Setting this up as a simple stay/leave decision is just utterly reckless. You essentially went to vote on "Status quo or.... um, we don't really know what 'leave' exactly will entail, but less immigrants, mkay?'.
The sensible decision would have been two referendums. One whether you should begin negotiations to leave EU. And another, when finalised, whether you want to leave once those terms have been laid out.
I am astounded at the naitevity of this referendum. Lord of the Flies stuff this.
No.because i dont have your opinion?
I am not against a referendum. I am against the premises this referendum was based on. This was not an informed vote and couldn't have been without knowing what exiting would actually entail. which is still to be decided.Giving people the referendum was the right thing to do. People wanted it and we are a democracy.
I agree with the vote being way too black and white, I agreed and disagreed with both sides and was on the fence until the very end when everything had become a slagging match between both sides and all you could here was the same rhetoric and white noise.The way I see it, David Cameron fecked you all over. Remain and Leave alike.
Setting this up as a simple stay/leave decision is just utterly reckless. You essentially went to vote on "Status quo or.... um, we don't really know what 'leave' exactly will entail, but less immigrants, mkay?'.
The sensible decision would have been two referendums. One whether you should begin negotiations to leave EU. And another, when finalised, whether you want to leave once those terms have been laid out.
I am astounded at the naitevity of this referendum. Lord of the Flies stuff this.
Not me I was 7 in 1973. I just know that in the 43 years that we have a member of the EU I haven't once had to go to war with my fellow Europeans. Millions of people haven't died on the green fields of France or the beaches of Normandy while we have been a member of the EU.How many of them were grown ups pre-EU?
well that makes sense because it's going to be far easier to kick them now.UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.
Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
My generation is taking a hammering too. Just as we reach working age we get into a recession and now this. Anyone born after from the 80's onwards is taking a hammering. Oh I wish I could return back to my life in the 90's when the only big debate was whether you were a Blur or Oasis fan.The millennial generation have taken a bit of a kicking really. Walked into an economic recession, now walked into this. They're going to spend a good chunk of their life bearing the brunt of bad decisions they had little control over.
Direct democracy is stupid, that's why we invented the represantative one in the first place.Giving people the referendum was the right thing to do. People wanted it and we are a democracy.
God you might be right actually.Not really. Rumour is that a few big companies in Northern Ireland were promised that border controls were never coming back no matter what the result was tonight.
We are now the only English speaking country left in the EU. The potential is huge if it swings the right way for us.
In a few years when UK turns to be better than now I can see more countries leaving the union, UK will save 350 million of pounds a day and right there is a big plus.
Do you really believe it will solve migration problem? Most of the immigrants are not even from Europe so it will not affect them in any way. Also UK will need to choose - have an EEA agreement which allows free movement (basically exactly what people who voted to leave EU don't want) or completely disconnect from EU market which would be disastrous for UK economy.UK will be better in a long run, the EU was made to fail. When Portugal joined the union the idea was economic and not political and I was in favor but when main decisions was made in Brussels that's nothing to do with the economy then I wanted Portugal to leave as well and move away of the euro. What triggered the UK exodus was the issue of immigration and I'm sure more countries are in the border of a "revolution" against their governments for accepting immigrants when their countries are in deep economic trouble. Portugal and Greece is an example of 2 countries in deep trouble with huge unemployment with enormous loans to pay and a very rigid set of rules from Germany and France and the same Germany and France want them to accept more people to live of the government's welfare when they already hit the ceiling and more and more people losing their houses, cars, etc, for the immigrants to occupy for free their houses go figure.
Congratulations people of the UK again you showed the world you guys have a huge set of balls.
There is no evidence at all to suggest that we will turn out to be better economically, and all the evidence to suggest that we will go into recession. I have no idea where you just pulled the figure of 350 million pounds a day from, I suspect you meant to say week. Which was a lie, we don't pay that to begin with.In a few years when UK turns to be better than now I can see more countries leaving the union, UK will save 350 million of pounds a day and right there is a big plus.
We just had £500bn wiped out of the economy in one day, on about £350mn a day.In a few years when UK turns to be better than now I can see more countries leaving the union, UK will save 350 million of pounds a day and right there is a big plus.
you're wrong. UK contributes half of that to the EU. It's a farcical, fake, bullshit number made up by the leave party. And the rewards they've reaped from doing so were huge.In a few years when UK turns to be better than now I can see more countries leaving the union, UK will save 350 million of pounds a day and right there is a big plus.
And right there you just quoted one of the biggest fallacies of this whole bloody election.In a few years when UK turns to be better than now I can see more countries leaving the union, UK will save 350 million of pounds a day and right there is a big plus.