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Where to for Memphis?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I'm not saying he didn't have bad spells, but he was a class above What depay is and is capable of in my opinion.
Depay has shown he's quality and and can do skillz against shit Lower rate opposition I'm not denying that, never against anyone who can defend to a decent level, his only good games for us last season were in the Europa league or league cup, speaks volumes.
Best place for Memphis is back in the Dutch league.
Too true
Against opposition that mattered.....
I'll also leave this here, his speed and balance while running with the ball and shooting is something depay can't do or will be able to do in my opinion, doesn't matter if nani had a few bad spells.
I cannot envisage Depay ever showing this kind of talent at premier level. It would probably make me spit out whatever I was snacking on at the time.
I miss Nani like a heart-broken teenager.
This. I was one of his biggest fanbois when he was here, he could be absolutely immense one game and be rubbish the next, was such a rollercoaster with him.I miss Nani like a heart-broken teenager.
I believe for the sake of his own career Depay needs to leave United , he is at that stage in his career where he requires regular game time to improve and develop his skillset as a player which simply won't be possible at United after his Under par performances last season.
He needs to find a club better suited to his current level where he can grow and progress without the scrutiny and pressure which comes with playing for a huge club.
May be in future if he develops well and is better equipped to excel he can get a move to big club again.
He needs to find a club better suited to his current level where he can grow and progress without the scrutiny and pressure which comes with playing for a huge club.
May be in future if he develops well and is better equipped to excel he can get a move to big club again.
The fact depay is being compared to nani is so insulting. Wasn't there a point when Nani one of the league? Why does the cafe underrate nani so much? Even valencia has been good for United although it was that one season.
Memphis is what you would call dross. There is no time I have watched him without thinking shite. He is one of those transfer that the only reason why he is here is because of his shared nationality to the ex manager.
The only chance I have right now is hoping he somehow performs in a full team of ibra, micky and possibly pogba. I'm just hoping that since he can't perform on his own maybe improved quality can somehow elevate him. Still it doesn't matter though because that left spot belongs martial.
Memphis is what you would call dross. There is no time I have watched him without thinking shite. He is one of those transfer that the only reason why he is here is because of his shared nationality to the ex manager.
The only chance I have right now is hoping he somehow performs in a full team of ibra, micky and possibly pogba. I'm just hoping that since he can't perform on his own maybe improved quality can somehow elevate him. Still it doesn't matter though because that left spot belongs martial.
Watching him in the Euros showed what a top quality player he can be on his day. Certainly missed that spark over the last 2 years.I miss Nani like a heart-broken teenager.
@kenny19 I was in now way comparing them, outlet stating Memphis is nowhere near nani's level.
I was and am a huge fan of Nani, he far too much undeserved stick
I was and am a huge fan of Nani, he far too much undeserved stick
I liked the way you signed off. It was quite poetic "And in the end, none of that mattered, because the left wing spot belonged to Martial"
We all want whats best for Memphis as he is a United player but not at the cost of martial.
What an idiotic thing to say!! Nani was shit for us apart from the one good season he had! I can guarantee you were one of the many people calling for him to be sold when he was here! Depay proved in Holland he has the quality to be 10 times better than Nani, he just had a bad first season (As have plenty of players who come to the PL) but most of our squad were shite last year!
He just needs to be less 'try hard'. Its like he is forcing something to happen rather than just going with the flow... Jose will sort him out either way.
Nani is still shit now, still don't really see where this new found love of him has come from.
Hope you aren't driving in that condition.
Nani was far better on the right. Coincidentally, where he had his best season. Until the Ecuadorian shin rattler got the spot.
Depay proved in Holland that the dutch league is shite and Luuk De Jong looks like Van Basten whilst Dirk Kuyt is Alan Shearer. The only way Depay could score a goal like the one above against premier league opposition would be on Fifa
I've been so disappointed with him. Really expected him to be much much better than this. Doesn't even seem to have the right mentality. I'm assuming someone at United must have told him to stop overdoing things and just get back to doing the basics right in the first instance? So is it a case of him not listening to advice or what?
Really think he needs to be sent out on loan this season. Somewhere he can get lots of games in order to rebuild his confidence.
Really think he needs to be sent out on loan this season. Somewhere he can get lots of games in order to rebuild his confidence.
In which version of Fifa is it possible to defend that poorly? This is exactly the kind of goal that Depay could score, despite beeing not good enough.
Geez, comparing Depay to Nani?!?!
At his worst, Nani was infuriating to watch, but he could still come up with a moment of magic. He was always capable of delivering something - whether that be an assist or goal.
Depay has shown only the rarest of glimpses of quality. He doesn't fare well when compared to Lingard, let alone Nani.
At his worst, Nani was infuriating to watch, but he could still come up with a moment of magic. He was always capable of delivering something - whether that be an assist or goal.
Depay has shown only the rarest of glimpses of quality. He doesn't fare well when compared to Lingard, let alone Nani.
Yeah, perhaps in Holland he indeed can be 10 times better than Nani in Premier League.
I doubt even that to be fair though.
Rubbish. Nani was initially a very good young player for us. Then he was a top PL player for around 1.5 to 2 years after that. He never kicked on and maintained that level, but to say he was "shit" is a really poor assessment.
The onus is on Memphis. He looks heavy on his feet and slow in the mind. And moreover, he's struggling to show proper talent. No matter what one says about Nani, he always showed his talent. You could never say he didn't have enough ability. And it showed in his assists. He was one of the most creative players in English football for a good while.
Maybe one day Depay will better than Nani but so far he hasn't come close to him and we're talking about a Nani who had been inconsistent at Man Utd. Still one season though, we should give Depay a little more time.
This debate is getting a bit stale, but posting long shots from Nani is an odd argument seeing as how that is the one thing we know Memphis can do.
What he can't do is this (apologies for the music...).
And apologies you have to go to YT to watch it. It was a brilliant goal vs Arsenal.
On loan will be the best for him if he still think he can make it here, if Mourinho thinks he can't make it then sell him if the right price comes. He won't get enough game time ahead of Martial, Mourinho doesn't rotate much, I can see we will have Martial, Mkhy and Lingard as a pecking order of our winger option which leaves Young, Memphis, and Januzaj as the last one. Young is currently a better player than Memphis IMO and what Memphis has ahead of Young is just a potential to be a better player than Ashley Young. The best way for young players who can't get a games time is obviously go somewhere else to play because sit and watch won't help him.
I never watched him in Holland, but based on what he's shown at United so far I don't think he's anywhere close to being good enough. I'm still struggling to see what he's actually particularly good at. So far I'm drawing a blank. When people talk about his "potential", what exactly are they referring to? I honestly think he'd struggle to make an impact in the Championship.
If his name was Jesse Lingard everyone on here would be calling for his head after last season. And Lingard, as frustrating as he can be, had a far better season than him in my opinion.
If his name was Jesse Lingard everyone on here would be calling for his head after last season. And Lingard, as frustrating as he can be, had a far better season than him in my opinion.
And the "confidence"-excuse, sorry, I just don't buy that. LvG played several players (far) younger than Memphis last season (Shaw, TFM, Rashford), none of whom seemed to have an issue with their confidence playing under LvG. If Memphis isn't strong enough mentally to handle being benched at age 21-22 after performing like crap for months, then he's not mentally strong enough to play for United. Simple as that.
One thing Depay does not need is to try less.
I am struggling with this one, tbh. Who might this be, do you think? OK, took him a while to settle, quite long spells where form had deserted him, maybe.
Premier League: 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup: 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
103 caps, 20 goals
and this is a nice one
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2010–11
let's wait & see, I suppose, but I don't see Memphis at 1/10 of this, if we're lucky
Premier League: 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup: 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
103 caps, 20 goals
and this is a nice one
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2010–11
let's wait & see, I suppose, but I don't see Memphis at 1/10 of this, if we're lucky
He just isn't agile, technical, intelligent or creative enough to play as a winger. I think his best position would be as a striker in a 442 paired with a big man to use as a foil.
Experience or more game time isn't just going to magically improve his technique. It's one of those things you can't improve. It's hard to fathom how unskilled he looks, forget the likes of Neymar, Hazard, Sanchez who he was initially compare to he's not even close to Martial's level & he's a striker!
Just can't see Jose giving him much of a chance. It's not like he's one of those hard workers like Willian, Kuyt or Park so what use does he have? Can see him being sold & Woodward pushing for a marquee signing next season to give the #7 shirt to.
Experience or more game time isn't just going to magically improve his technique. It's one of those things you can't improve. It's hard to fathom how unskilled he looks, forget the likes of Neymar, Hazard, Sanchez who he was initially compare to he's not even close to Martial's level & he's a striker!
Just can't see Jose giving him much of a chance. It's not like he's one of those hard workers like Willian, Kuyt or Park so what use does he have? Can see him being sold & Woodward pushing for a marquee signing next season to give the #7 shirt to.
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He isn't fit to lace Nani's boots.
I'm not even a big fan of Nani.
I'm not even a big fan of Nani.
Lingard is so much better it's not even comparable.
The comparisons with Nani is ridiculous. Your talking about Nani playing with some of the best players to wear a Utd shirt managed by the best manager in club football.
Whether he's good enough or not, who knows but not sure what selling him will achieve this season. We'll lose a ton of money in what we paid and the better gamble is a years salary under Jose.
Whether he's good enough or not, who knows but not sure what selling him will achieve this season. We'll lose a ton of money in what we paid and the better gamble is a years salary under Jose.
Yea we are. What makes it even more ridiculous is that when he was played in his favoured position in the right and on form he was the best of the bunch for 18 months. Depay isn't close to Nani in terms of ability. Some of our best football in past years has all been through Nani, to compare him to a player who's only use is cutting in off the wing and attempting a shot is ridiculous indeed.
When people say give him another season, do they mean play him for another season as a first choice/frequently used rotational player or just keep him, see how he does in training and if he can force into the first team?
I ask this because we have a manager who thinks 10 minutes is enough to judge a youngster. He has his way of playing, and wants specific players with skill sets to match his requirement. If Memphis can't show him his usefulness in pre-season, that's it for him. No point in keeping a player who isn't going to be used.
I ask this because we have a manager who thinks 10 minutes is enough to judge a youngster. He has his way of playing, and wants specific players with skill sets to match his requirement. If Memphis can't show him his usefulness in pre-season, that's it for him. No point in keeping a player who isn't going to be used.
Memphis had a shocking season last season by every standard but I think we can lay at least some of that blame at Van Gaals door.
Memphis is most definitely a confidence player and I have no doubt that Fergie would have been able to get the best out of him, hopefully, in the same way Mourinho cans and will.
We'll see what Memphis is made of this season. It's make or break for him this year.
If Mourinho unshackles him and gives him free reign going forward (like what he did with Hazard and Fergie did with Ronaldo) we could get the best out of him.
Memphis is most definitely a confidence player and I have no doubt that Fergie would have been able to get the best out of him, hopefully, in the same way Mourinho cans and will.
We'll see what Memphis is made of this season. It's make or break for him this year.
If Mourinho unshackles him and gives him free reign going forward (like what he did with Hazard and Fergie did with Ronaldo) we could get the best out of him.
This is exactly how I feel.
Tbh Nani has more talent in his big toe than Depay has overall. And I'm a big fan of flair players and want Memphis to do well. But he doesn't look anything special at all. Looks heavy and slow.
Depay isn't good enough to warrant such freedom. You give a free role to your best players, players who can pop up and make a difference, not a player who's highlight of the season was his ever changing facial hair.
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