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It's upto you fellas seeing as you want to compare him to someone. I mentioned though to the other poster about comparing him to exceptions, athletes who are above almost everyone. What would be the point in doing that, everyone looks poor compared to Ronaldo's physique and longevity. So who did the poster reply with??? Giggs. A winger who played till he was 38 at the top level and the highest appearance maker in the club's history.
Did Giggs really suffer more injuries? I struggle to believe that. People forget the amount of injuries Rooney stupidly played through/rushed back from, highlights being two world cups - the playing against Bayern alone seriously shortened his career, apparently he's never fully recovered from pulling that stunt, however heroic.
I'd say I'd hope he gets to 250 before January and off he goes, even if it means 6 months just to see if he find anything again, but given how unsuccessful they were at getting rid of Basty and how much Rooney is tied into Man Utds financial structure.....urgh
I'd say I'd hope he gets to 250 before January and off he goes, even if it means 6 months just to see if he find anything again, but given how unsuccessful they were at getting rid of Basty and how much Rooney is tied into Man Utds financial structure.....urgh
Rooney was a great player for United, as were, Denis Law, Bobby Charlton, George Best, Roy Keane, David Beckham, and too many more to mention, unless this post should take ages. The time for all the great legends came when they could not do it anymore. Rooney has been a great player for United and has earned a place in the history of the club. However, his time to quit at the top came almost 2 years ago. Yet we still find him playing for us and England. I find that fact absolutely amazing, and it helps me to understand how United have become so mediocre in comparison to what United were some years ago. The fact is that if we think Rooney is good enough to be a United player, then our standards have dropped so low, that we will not even be a good Europa League team.
What I was trying to say was that a normal person would be past their peak 30+.. Rooney was over the hill at 26, he's been poor for 4 years.
Yeah, Giggsy being out cost us the 98 title hence the aquisition of Blomqvist.
He would typically be out twice per season for around 5-6 games each time (hamstrings) till around 28-29
That's not more tbf. Rooney had typically 2-3 injuries a season, missed less than he should have, and not only did he force himself back too soon for United, he played internationally, which Giggs skipped if he needed the rest or well where a lot of his "injuries"(if you're welsh 
) occurred.
) occurred.I remember reading he had to stop running at full speed, that was how he made it stop.
Had his clutch replaced, from what I remember?
Maybe he needs to lose a few pounds?
This is why Pep wanted rid of Hart as far away as possible. You bench him then the press will pile up the pressure every time the new keeper has a bit of a feck up and no one is expected to put in sublime performances all the times.
Ideally it would be best to have Rooney completely gone, so the manager and player don't get put under pressure whenever they don't light out the place w/o Wayne in the team. The media are basically just sharpening their claws and waiting for a bad performance and result to start their campaign for Rooney thus disrupting the entire team and putting everyone else under immense pressure.
The way you deal with the likes of players with Rooney's stature is to get rid completely.
Just imagine how much more pressure Bravo and Guardiola would have been after our game had Hart still been with City?
Ok stop it now.
There is nothing incredible about seeing 30 year old athletes still being fit enough to play their respective sport at a reasonable level. Most football player truly become bad physically when they start pushing 34-35 otherwise you'd normally see player still playing at the top level in their very early 30s. I mean these are common occurrences, not exceptions.
You have your Drogba who played top football in his early 30s, you have your Evra, Rio, Carrick, Valencia, Scholes, Pirlo, etc...and I can go on forever. These guys were/still playing top level football not that far from their top abilities in their early 30s. It's only when they reached 33/34-35 that they slow down further,
30-31,32 is still normal age to play at one's very high abilities and not look like some over starved grandmas. What do you think when you look at the likes of Valencia(who is 31) or Carrick 3-4 years ago(when he was 31-32) etc.
That's some good insight. Do you think some papers actually do cross those borders? Like making up quotes and "inside sources"?
True, we've made him filthy rich.
The reason he DID sign Sheringham was checking out his parents and finding they were both slim and fit in their fifties. No fruit falls far from the tree, and Rooneys parents are a right pair of bloaters.
Apologies if it's already been asked but what would Rooney be worth in today's transfer market?
If United wanted to move him on, where would he end up and for how much?
If United wanted to move him on, where would he end up and for how much?
Virtually indistinguishable other than one is wearing a wig.
Like zombies from the land of many pies.
You wouldn't get a fee for him. Unless it's China or maybe MLS.
I don't think Rooney was wearing a wig back then.
I think the point that guy is trying to make is proved here, of all those 5 points only 2 of them can be "blamed" on Rooney,
I have no issues with his contract I believe he wanted to go because he could see the club weren't willing to build in the success it had and were trying to save money. He got offered a massive contract and was probably asked to stay because he was the global face of United, he didn't have to sign.
His form is an issue and that I agree is frustrating, but the hate he gets for the other 3? Come on
You admitted yourself one of them isn't his fault it's lvg yet you made it anyway.
Media praising him? How's that his fault
He's at the end of his career and might accept a smaller role but this relates to point 3, if he gets picked he isn't going to say "oh wait Jose I think I should have a diminished role"
it annoys me when players don't play well but I'm equal in my criticism of them, lingard has played shit so has fellaini so has Rooney, all need replacing a sap but that won't be until the summer.
all we can do is hope they do enough to get us to top 4
Again, there are people who like to get nasty but they are the clear majority here and it's disingenuous to frame any argument based on "hate" for Rooney. Most of the comments are based on love for United.
LOL.
You're treating him as if he is some inanimate object, which isn't working as advertised.
"Ship it back to the factory, so it can be fixed"
The only problem is that if they can't fix it, they can't send us another/new Rooney as a replacement.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with this one.
I distinctly remember Giggs having hamstring problems well into his 20s but his average appearance over 24 years is still about 41+ games per season. Javier Zanetti, who if Wiki is to be believed started putting up 30+ appearances even in his debut season, played about 43+ games over 22 years.
It'll be interesting to see how many minutes Giggs clocked in his career compared to Rooney's current total.
Just saw his "assist" for Zlatan. Man, I thought it was a cross-shot like Di Maria to Falcao. Had no idea it was something like this
In an honesty, will remain one of my favorite players, great player in his prime. He had the skill, talent, aggression, everything.
Sadly, it's over now and he's being detrimental to the team. It doesn't make him a bad player, he's just not fit to play for us anymore.
I think most posters criticizing him are only doing so because they loved so much before and hate seeing him this way. Well, at least that's how I feel.
In an honesty, will remain one of my favorite players, great player in his prime. He had the skill, talent, aggression, everything.
Sadly, it's over now and he's being detrimental to the team. It doesn't make him a bad player, he's just not fit to play for us anymore.
I think most posters criticizing him are only doing so because they loved so much before and hate seeing him this way. Well, at least that's how I feel.
I'd say most dislike him and criticise him because of the transfer drama. They criticise him even if he has a good game.Just saw his "assist" for Zlatan. Man, I thought it was a cross-shot like Di Maria to Falcao. Had no idea it was something like this
In an honesty, will remain one of my favorite players, great player in his prime. He had the skill, talent, aggression, everything.
Sadly, it's over now and he's being detrimental to the team. It doesn't make him a bad player, he's just not fit to play for us anymore.
I think most posters criticizing him are only doing so because they loved so much before and hate seeing him this way. Well, at least that's how I feel.
Nowhere have I claimed that. Show me a post of mine where I did.
Rooney's finished, completely done, time for him to move. He started very early and he's finished early. That's just how it is with him. This endless debate about his diet, his lifestyle, what does it matter?
Most strikers move down a level at his age, that's just the way it is. Cole went to Blackburn, Cantona wasn't the same at 30.
Just because Giggs was brilliant in his 30's doesn't mean everybody else should be.
Fair enough, some of the bile being spewed is unfair, but this is football and there is a lot of emotion involved.
Well as with everything, there are circumstances we can't control. Not saying everything is Rooneys fault, just that it has contributed to his increasingly bad reputation among the fanbase.
Fellaini and Lingard has been getting a whole lot of shit from the fans over the years, but the former has actually been decent this season.
This is why Jose should have gone full 'Pep on Hart/Yaya' with this from the get go not this tip toeing and acting apologetically to a sub-par, overpaid, overweight media protected prima dona. Just come out with a 'you haven't been good enough and will not play again until you show the required intensity and level' put down. Rooney's mates are already targeting players like Mkhitaryen who haven't played in ages to defend their golden boy and it won't stop because Gary and his ilk care more about the nationality of United players than United's fortunes on the pitch.
Easy to say but Joe Hart wasn't about to break the club's all time scorer record which has been held for the last 50 years by one of our biggest legends.
We can't underestimate the political pressure there must be on Jose for Rooney to break that record. I expect things will change massively once it's happened (ie. Rooney will be indefinitely dropped/sold).
Of course a team will be more successful with better players but after Ronaldo left there was a definite changing of the guard that Rooney would take over as the focal point of the attack. He did a really good job for about 8 months. After that, there has never been another time when Rooney seemed good enough to be the leader of the attack in a successful United team.
I completely disagree with your first sentence. Rooney already was the striker when Ronaldo was at the club. They just changed the style of play by replacing Ronaldo with more functional team players to feed Rooney rather than players of more individual brilliance. It worked quite well initially.
I can understand Rooney's frustration too. He whined about United not signing good enough players but then didn't like it when they signed a better one in his position. It showed up his own deficiencies and he wasn't able to blame everyone else. That season, Van Persie did what Rooney has never been able to do in his career. Score enough goals to fire his team to the title.
You say that Rooney delivered as the main man. He didn't. You say his best position is the number 9 and goalscorer yet he has never fired his team to a title from that position. Van Persie and even Berbatov did in the same team he said wasn't good enough.
But that changing of guard put Rooney as the main man but who was replacing rooneys role? We took 40 goals out the team and didn't replace them.
For example ronaldo scores 30 Rooney 20 that equals 50 sell ronaldo that leaves you with 20 goals. Unless Rooney scores 50 we were always going to be short.
I'm not sure I said his best position is number 9 but when Rooney became our main threat he was essentially are only threat.
When rvp came in we then had 2 threats
I cannot understand this level of biasness and entitlement. We signed a striker, in RVP, who was better than Rooney, so what if he is peeved or frustrated. Its not about him, Rooney, its about what's best for the team. So we should have bought midfielders to make Rooney feel better? He is a lucky man because after we got RVP we should have gotten rid of Rooney and with that money bought some midfielders to complement RVP.
You have totally misread what that guy is saying if you read my initial post that he was replying to you'd understand.
You're seeing it from a fans point of view, we should of signed midfielders to become a better team not to keep Rooney happy.
Great stuff from our captain there.
you can tell Ibra is pissed off and frustrated.
Actually I was agreeing with him and critical of your post.
We signed a better striker and became a better team and actually won the league. So it was actually a good move. After solving the striker problem others could then be addressed.
It's little scenarios like this that happen 5/10/15 times a game and can be the difference between winning and losing. An attacking midfielder is so, so important in the system we play and if he's not pulling his weight pressing, picking up wrong positions, playing wayward passes, picking the wrong pass, taking a poor touch, holding on to the ball for too long, being dispossessed ect ect then it's the difference of getting 5/10 shots a game or 15/20.
The quality of his corners is just awful too. Neville saying "if Rooney had played against Leicester he'd have had 3 assists because it would have been him taking corners" is absolutely absurd. Blind's delivery is infinitely better than Rooney's.
With the aerial threat we have in Zlatan, Pogba, Bailly and Smalling we should be doing a lot more from corners but Rooney has been struggling to get it past the first man or lofting it deep to nobody at the back of the area. Blind comes in and swings it beautifully into the danger zones and we could have had more.
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