Good interview. Didn't try to make any excuses. Said we got lazy and left the door open and Bournemouth tore through it and deserved their win with good goals. Also said we were an average team last year and for a team striving to rise to the top (or words to that effect) we can expect the odd day like today but we need to learn from them (basically that a match is never 'done' in the PL).
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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If your squad is not good enough depth wise without European football, then it would be worse stretching with more must win games next season with European games. It's a vicious cycle. So either you have it now or you don't have it.
Players missing today Countinho, Matip, Sturridge and Ings?
That's not a heavy injury table and worrying to see a bench that's very weak.
Any chance of Matip being called up for AFCON given his form?
I think he's quit the Cameroon national team, don't know the full situation but that's what we've heard.
Well that's partially the point. Having so much reliance on one player shows the lack of quality in that area. It's the same as Spurs having such a reliance on Kane for goals. Not to mention you've still got Lovren, that guy is good for at least one clown show moment a game.
That said you've conceded 18 goals so far. The most of any team in the top 8, let alone the top 4. So saying your defense is weak isn't exactly something preposterous.
Also I'm not suggesting your bad defense gives up 4 goals a game it's also based in games like the one against Spurs. You were the better side for most of the game but they weathered the storm and ended with LB Danny Rose scoring up the other end on a half decent attack.
Seriously? He's 25, why has he quit?
Matip on a free was a good deal.
Errr isn't that what the transfer season in the Summer is for ? We let go, maybe 15 players this Summer (forget the exact number but it was a lot) for the exact reason that we don't have Euro football. If we make the Top 4 then I'd expect maybe 6 quality players inbound next Summer.
There's a story when he joined that it would be unlikely we'd lose him because he's self-exiled himself from the team along with his brother. The coach has tried to call them but they've ignored his calls and said it's up to them. So he could still go AFCON but hopefully for us he doesn't.
Isn't that somewhat dangerous?
Teams seem to have a hard time incorporating that many new faces expecting minutes.
Most teams aim for 3 - 4 quality purchases.
Lallana didn't start, I'd argue that he's fairly important to the way we play. Ido agree though that we're vulnerable to injuries (depending on who it is). Matip is the crucial one at the moment but I'd hate to lose Henderson given how he's played.
Matip has quit international football I think, or at least he's said he isn't going to the ACON.
Before today we'd only conceded 14 goals in 13 games and five of those had come in the first two games. We do have a lack of quality at CB though for sure. Klavan and Lucas are poor options to rely on when someone is injured, and Lovren still has bad games from time to time as you say. I think when you break down those goals conceded you see just how important Matip is. Half of them were conceded in three games where he didn't play.
I'd say that only Spurs and Chelsea can argue that they are better defensively than we are based on what's happened so far this season.
I don't disagree, but just saying it's not simple to just add more players even with CL football to offer: see Tottenham this past summer. Hypothetically with European football, you should add more quality than just adding just quantity of similar or less quality in hope of your current main men can continue to output same quality.
I am replying to a post saying you guys should be settled for just top 4 which I see very damning as for your momentum. You guys should try your best pushing for the tittle given you don't have European football this season.
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The fact is you have conceded those goals. Those things have happened. You don't get to pick and choose the data and then shut your eyes to the rest.
It's not even an argument a team like Spurs is unequivocally better defensively.
Hopefully Joe Gomez gets back to fitness quick, and gets a run in at CB. He's another player I've forgotten about, seems like forever he last played for us and he never put a foot wrong, reliable full back option too.
Well they wouldn't all the first teamers ! I'd expect : LB, CB and a CM (Dahoud is a Klopp favourite for example) and a winger plus a striker of Sturridge leaves. Maybe a keeper to replace Mignolet as I don't think Klopp is for turning where Karius is concerned and Mignolet could well leave. That would give us a substantially stronger first team and bench - even allowing for injuries.
And far worse in attack. Overall the GD doesn't lie.
January. Klopp said he'll need a spell in the U23's to regain fitness. Classy and could be the answer to the CB conundrum.
They sure are, but that's not the discussion and I don't believe anyone would argue otherwise.
Again though poor defensively and it will cost them...as it has.
Yep. Agree with all that.
He was always a shaky player so to say. He can have 10 good games but you always have a feeling he will make a mistake somehow. He is notorious for that in the NT.
The data is relevant though because we're clearly a better side defensively with Matip in there. It's not a good statistic as it shows how poor our squad options are in that area of the pitch, but it is relevant when discussing Liverpool's defensive capabilities.
But he's not in there and as you say you're reliant on him.
So...you're poor defensively.
As in most goals shipped in the top 8.
What this says is Matip is a very good defender while Liverpool are poor defensively.
But when you say we're poor defensively to me that sounds like we're poor regardless of who is playing. We've been poor defensively in three, maybe four games that I can think of this season. In the other games we've looked fine. A fairer statement would be to say that Liverpool are fine at the back with Matip, and poor without him.
No I think you guys are legitimately poor defensively.
What you do is throw so much offensive pressure at the opposition that they sit back and never test you. It's a great tactic and it's fun to watch and I think it will do you very well, especially without European commitments.
That said when you are tested you tend to concede quite easily. Like I said against Spurs I saw those same frailties even if the game ended 1-1. Not every game that sees you concede 3+ is the only indicator of a poor defensive performance. It's when you concede in the only offensive opportunities the opponent throws at you.
That was shoite, especially that second half. Between that and the performance at Southampton, if we can't solve those two issues (lapses and breaking down buses) we have no right to say we're title contenders. Still think our target should be top 3 or 4, preferably top 3.
The way Liverpool press means other teams rarely come at their defense. This has helped hide their defensive problems. That defense is simply terrible. Klopp will have to buy a lot to fix it.
eh. we got what we deserved that game. We've definitely lost some pace and incision going forward the past month.
I do love how klopp reacted though, just have to move on.
Think this will show klopp that we may need another CB to partner Matip.
I do love how klopp reacted though, just have to move on.
Think this will show klopp that we may need another CB to partner Matip.
Liverpool are desperate for a good goal keeper, left back and another centre back.
If you have a go at them, they will concede goals with ease.
Klopp still has a lot of work to do. But let's not knee jerk too much, they are doing far better than I had predicted beginning of season.
Long way to get yet. Liverpool need a trophy this season - it's been too long for a club of that size.
If you have a go at them, they will concede goals with ease.
Klopp still has a lot of work to do. But let's not knee jerk too much, they are doing far better than I had predicted beginning of season.
Long way to get yet. Liverpool need a trophy this season - it's been too long for a club of that size.
It was a pretty embarrassing capitulation but unfortunately it's hard to take too much joy because we are even more shite. Klopp should drop Karius for Mignolet (Karius has been awful whenever I've seen him). They badly missed Matip. And, finally, their depth is pretty poor. Two or three injuries and they come back to the pack. I think if they want to have a shot at winning the title Klopp needs one or two players in January,
I don't know if dropping Karius is good for him. It might ruin his belief and young keepers need time to develop.
That being said, you're right that Karius has been awful so far. Apart from his distribution, I don't really see where he's a step up from Mignolet.
It might ruin his belief but continuing to play him could ruin your season. Ferguson dropped De Gea for Lindegaard at one stage, if Karius has the right mentality he should be fine.
I'm not sure there is too much between Karius and Mignolet at the moment (though Mignolet actually didn't do anything 'wrong' in the games he's played so far this season). Different styles means you have different strengths and weaknesses. It seems Karius, with his willingness to come out, play sweeper and his far superior distribution, even though far inferior shot-stopping (nothing in it for crosses, maybe Karius shades it) are qualities Klopp values more as better suited to the team's style and tactics.
Karius was far better in Germany, and Klopp's scouting and coaching teams certainly know what he's capable of, so for whatever reason he hasn't settled yet but the Bundesliga's #2 keeper doesn't lose it overnight. I'd give him a lot more time to settle, that will give him confidence and hopefully a considerable step up in performance levels. At least I believe his ceiling is far higher than Mignolet's so therefore worth persevering with.
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Some stats with and without J.Matip.
With Matip:
11 games played - 9 goals conceded, 0 losses.
Without Matip:
3 games played - 9 goals conceded, 2 losses.
Hope he doesn't pick up a serious injury.
I'm not sure Joe Gomez is the answer to success to be honest.
He's a young player with a good (possibly great) future so I'm really looking forward to see how he improves. Of course he should not be considered as an automatic starter for us. We need a high quality CB - if Southampton aren't already sick of us (though their bank manager certainly isn't) then they may be this Summer.
Must admit the new thread name gives us the giggles.
That's the chatter.