Oh fair enough. Yes he should be in honesty. Too much bias towards attackers every year.
Ballon d'Or 2016
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
No, that would be george best. He comes second i think. Now, at his peak in the first 3 madrid seasons...i'd still take best's peak over cristiano's. But cristiano has been at this level for 10 seasons and 1/3, so...maybe?
Well done Cristiano. You clearly deserved it after winning the C.L. and the European Championship.
Even suggesting there's a 400 point gap between Messi and Ronaldo is a complete joke though, Messi actually was better for internationals last year, the only thing he was probably lesser in performance wise was the CL. Ronaldo won the award on the back of his teams success, I struggle to see how the gap is 400 points.
You must be drunk though, again are you measuring by team success or the individual ability and performance? he deserves the 5th so far, are you kidding me?
Here's La Liga this year:
Here's the CL
Here's Ronaldos 4th Balon d'Or year vs Messi (on the award Ronaldo has just won).
La Liga
Champions League
Last year was equal really, actually statistlcally performance wise Messi edged it, even on the international stage, Messi had a higher output than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo was the better player in the CL (Malmo did boost his figures though).
I think Ronaldo had a few notable performances, Wolfsburg and Hungary if we're being honest those were the only real 2, I personally don't think the 400 point gap is right, I also think Messi has a strong case to have won the Ballon d'Or today but. It's journalist voting who would write about Ronaldos cheerleading ability, great goalscorer but his performances aren't at Messi's level.
The fact you say Ronaldo is due a 5th Balon d'Or based on this years performances in the last 3 months is laughable, he's nowhere near the levels of Messi this year, he wasn't last year, but Portugal and Real Madrid won titles so he wins the Balon d'Or by default. (And yes he was better in the CL I will emphasise that again, but in the CL and internationally he was not).[/img]
viva ronaldo!
Ronaldo had 13 goals in 13 games for Portugal while Messi straight up retired from Argentina.
I doubt Messi was better?
I doubt Messi was better?
Is there really a point to this award .Apart from marketing and pointless arguments between Messi and Ronaldo fan boys.
Fair enough I suppose. Messi is the better player, more so now than ever and he was better over the course of the season, but Ronaldo had a lot of important moment in winning the two biggest trophies of the year. The outcome was inevitable once Portugal won the Euros really.
Worst kept secret, glad it's over. Will this be his last ever Ballon d'Or or will he have motivation to equal Messi ?
In Copa America 16: Messi 5 goals 4 assists.
Euro 16: 3 goals, 3 assists.
Messi a higher level of performance too.
and moments like this.
I just personally think it's on the back Real Madrid getting the XI CL and Portugal getting the Euros, its voted based on team trophies not performances.
Congratulations to Ronaldo but the 400 point gap in voting just it's crazy because it's arguable that if you took away team honours that Ronaldo would get a Ballon d'Or based on that year, if you purely looked at performances.
It's "the best player in the world", not the "best player from the winning teams of major trophies in the world".
Best player on best team. Can't complain.
To draw attention away from rigged drawing
Illuminati confirmedPersonally I really dont care about the comparisons if I'm honest but the Copa America was a farce this year. In no way were they comparable to the Euros.
For all your stats, the only one that matters is who won, and that was Ronaldo. By 400 points.Even suggesting there's a 400 point gap between Messi and Ronaldo is a complete joke though, Messi actually was better for internationals last year, the only thing he was probably lesser in performance wise was the CL. Ronaldo won the award on the back of his teams success, I struggle to see how the gap is 400 points.
You must be drunk though, again are you measuring by team success or the individual ability and performance? he deserves the 5th so far, are you kidding me?
Here's La Liga this year:
Here's the CL
Here's Ronaldos 4th Balon d'Or year vs Messi (on the award Ronaldo has just won).
La Liga
Champions League
Last year was equal really, actually statistlcally performance wise Messi edged it, even on the international stage, Messi had a higher output than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo was the better player in the CL (Malmo did boost his figures though).
I think Ronaldo had a few notable performances, Wolfsburg and Hungary if we're being honest those were the only real 2, I personally don't think the 400 point gap is right, I also think Messi has a strong case to have won the Ballon d'Or today but. It's journalist voting who would write about Ronaldos cheerleading ability, great goalscorer but his performances aren't at Messi's level.
The fact you say Ronaldo is due a 5th Balon d'Or based on this years performances in the last 3 months is laughable, he's nowhere near the levels of Messi this year, he wasn't last year, but Portugal and Real Madrid won titles so he wins the Balon d'Or by default. (And yes he was better in the CL I will emphasise that again, but in the CL and internationally he was not).[/img]
This
The 400 point gap means nothing. It doesn't mean Ronaldo was twice as good. It just means about 400 more people feel he edged it. Obviously winning the European Cups played a huge role in their thinking. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Arguing over individual awards is kinda pointless anyway.Even suggesting there's a 400 point gap between Messi and Ronaldo is a complete joke though, Messi actually was better for internationals last year, the only thing he was probably lesser in performance wise was the CL. Ronaldo won the award on the back of his teams success, I struggle to see how the gap is 400 points.
You must be drunk though, again are you measuring by team success or the individual ability and performance? he deserves the 5th so far, are you kidding me?
Here's La Liga this year:
Here's the CL
Here's Ronaldos 4th Balon d'Or year vs Messi (on the award Ronaldo has just won).
La Liga
Champions League
Last year was equal really, actually statistlcally performance wise Messi edged it, even on the international stage, Messi had a higher output than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo was the better player in the CL (Malmo did boost his figures though).
I think Ronaldo had a few notable performances, Wolfsburg and Hungary if we're being honest those were the only real 2, I personally don't think the 400 point gap is right, I also think Messi has a strong case to have won the Ballon d'Or today but. It's journalist voting who would write about Ronaldos cheerleading ability, great goalscorer but his performances aren't at Messi's level.
The fact you say Ronaldo is due a 5th Balon d'Or based on this years performances in the last 3 months is laughable, he's nowhere near the levels of Messi this year, he wasn't last year, but Portugal and Real Madrid won titles so he wins the Balon d'Or by default. (And yes he was better in the CL I will emphasise that again, but in the CL and internationally he was not).[/img]
Personally I don't think Ronaldo has ever been as good a player as Messi. Messi is just so much more rounded. Ronaldo is all about goals whereas Messi can also assist and run the game from deeper positions. But I have no problem with Ronaldo winning a few of these awards because he has been a truly great player who's been unlucky to be around at the same time as someone like Messi.
I'd imagine Messi is more likely to keep contending over the next few years because he has the talent to dictate the game from a deeper role as he ages. I mean, he's probably the best passer of a ball in the world. Ronaldo probably has a chance over the next couple of seasons as long as Real keep threatening in Europe. Then again it's probably not quite right that he wins it by default every time his club or country win a big trophy.
Yup, he did congratulations to him
the voting in future should be done this way.IF Barcelona or Real Madrid or won a title give to respective player (Messi, Ronaldo) or toss a coin and give to one anyway, that's how it is these days anyway irrespective of anything else.
But as you say already the fifth is already in the bag
that's the issue though, ignore the stats and the performances, it doesn't matter apparently.Even suggesting there's a 400 point gap between Messi and Ronaldo is a complete joke though, Messi actually was better for internationals last year, the only thing he was probably lesser in performance wise was the CL. Ronaldo won the award on the back of his teams success, I struggle to see how the gap is 400 points.
You must be drunk though, again are you measuring by team success or the individual ability and performance? he deserves the 5th so far, are you kidding me?
Here's La Liga this year:
Here's the CL
Here's Ronaldos 4th Balon d'Or year vs Messi (on the award Ronaldo has just won).
La Liga
Champions League
Last year was equal really, actually statistlcally performance wise Messi edged it, even on the international stage, Messi had a higher output than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo was the better player in the CL (Malmo did boost his figures though).
I think Ronaldo had a few notable performances, Wolfsburg and Hungary if we're being honest those were the only real 2, I personally don't think the 400 point gap is right, I also think Messi has a strong case to have won the Ballon d'Or today but. It's journalist voting who would write about Ronaldos cheerleading ability, great goalscorer but his performances aren't at Messi's level.
The fact you say Ronaldo is due a 5th Balon d'Or based on this years performances in the last 3 months is laughable, he's nowhere near the levels of Messi this year, he wasn't last year, but Portugal and Real Madrid won titles so he wins the Balon d'Or by default. (And yes he was better in the CL I will emphasise that again, but in the CL and internationally he was not).[/img]
Ronaldo misses his penalty in the CL final and Portugal loses in penalties against France, Ronaldo doesn't win the Ballon Dor.
My mother goes on holiday to France instead of Ireland and I become a suave hearthrob with an accent that melts any heart.
Shit happens
It's a team game innit. Glorofied individual awards are just really shite.
Wow.
Of all the years for him not to deserve it, this would be up there.
Of all the years for him not to deserve it, this would be up there.
Higuain puts the ball 6 inches the other side of the post two times (12 months apart) and the debate about who the greatest player ever to play the game is ended for the time being.
Yyyyaaaasssss
If it was for who the best player was then Messi would win it every year. If it was awarded for who performed the best over the year then my vote would've went to Suarez. If it's who is the best player on the most successful team then Ronaldo is justified.
For me it should be a mixture of the first two options that the winner is based upon.
For me it should be a mixture of the first two options that the winner is based upon.
But he didn't. He's a leader with nervous of steel.
You are misusing the term "best player". I feel you are talking about most talented player. Awarding it to the most talented player makes no sense at all. Judging talent and ability will always be subjective but results are concrete.
It's the big one boys! Tell your wives it's red panty day tomorrow!
You're harsh man
It shouldn't be a mixture of anything, they literally said that it was the award for the best performer of the year. It should have been Suarez but like explained on Lequipe, in reality british journalists will reserve a vote for a PL or british player, french journalists will promote a french player if possible, AS(they vote for Spain) will vote for as many Real Madrid players possible, etc...
There is a lot of politics and chauvinism in those votes but Ronaldo isn't a shocking choice, he was good last season and scored a lot.
Not quite sure about these claims for suarez to win it. Made no sense to me.
Siiiiiiiiiiimmmmm
Saw a random stat recently that was since ozil made his CL debut only two players have assisted more goals than him. messi and ronaldo.
Ronaldo actually has more assists than Messi in that period in the cl, so he is more rounded than many people give him credit for.
Plus messi has essentially played in the worlds best team for ten years. ronaldo managed to help a shit portugal team win the euros. messi failed to help a good argentina team win a weak copa america. thrn threw his toys out the pram and quit international duty until some PR guy said it'd probably be better if he didn't.
Messi is probably the better player overall, but its marginal, and ronaldo has had a far bigger (and more positive) impact this past year, so for me he's the right winner.
I wonder if stuff like tax evasion, quitting the national team, etc, has had a negative impact on messi's chances...
I don't engage much in trolling others but feck me that's funny. And true.
Viva!
You're harsh man
It's hardly trolling it's just a witty remark, I personally don't take football holistically, and it depends on how you judge success metrics: by team trophies, assists, goals, dribbles, individual performances etc.I don't engage much in trolling others but feck me that's funny. And true.
Viva!
He mentioned Ronaldo is already on his way for a 5th I just discredit it with statistics and then I'm met with a witty remark as a counter argument against the original factoid which he made.
We're currently at a place where we have a Pelé and Maradona rivalry in the same era, it's great to witness them every week, just one is clearly better than the other but, but it's good to see two professionals bring fans a lot of joy.
If Zidane pulls off winning the league this year AND the 12th CL title being the first ever club to retain it he deserves coach of the year above all and before any player getting an individual trophy, a lot of football to be played though.
Real Madrid have the most balanced team in world football right now, their midfield I actually don't think can be improved when fully fit and that helps a lot, just like when Barcelona had Xavi and Iniesta for years, teams couldn't compete.
This year with Real it's probably their year to win the league, but I think to win the Ballon d'Or you have to win the CL these days, that's what Journalists tend to favour.
As a "team" Real Madrid have more experience than the current Barcelona side, so you never know.
Barcelona is very top heavy right now and for a side to win the league, you wouldn't pick Andre Gomes and Rakitic over Kroos and Modric.
The real question is who is the next winner that's not Ronaldo or Messi.
I'm not really part of the convo mate but that's a good reply all the same so fair play to you @TheNewEra
Messi elevates Barcelona more than they elevate him, either you don't watch him properly or you don't know what you are talking about. Even your own manager said the landscape of European football will change once Messi's ability is gone. He also said if you put Messi in any of the top teams in England they automatically win the league.
Can't believe this is even arguable. Ronaldo was exceptional last season. He was key to both RM and Portugal wins
Lewandowski coming 16th having been Bayern's top scorer, the first player since Gerd Muller to score 30 in a season and a leader of Poland national team who did better than at any point during the last 30 years, is a bit amazing. How the hell did Vardy get ahead of him, and by 8 places too