Based on what evidence?He would've done better than Bob Bradley.
Bradley being absolutely useless.Based on what evidence?
Yet still being a much more experienced manager than Ryan Giggs.Bradley being absolutely useless.
Have you ever heard him speak? Underwhelming is being polite.After the way the Swansea owners briefed the press saying he underwhelmed in an interview?
He needs to tell them to feck right off...
You have literally no idea if Giggs would be doing any better.Bradley being absolutely useless.
And you are saying this based on what?He probably turned down the chance to manage at a few mid-top level Championship sides and maybe relegation-strugglers in the PL under this illusion he was Manchester United level management material. For someone who's never worked outside United and who only went into coaching years after most player do because of how late he retired, it's really surprising he didn't throw himself into getting as much experience as soon as he possibly could, even if it meant learning Spanish or German or whatever, and going to learn from coaches overseas.
Sitting by the phone and waiting for the right offer for 2 years is what you do if you're 60, have amassed an impressive coaching CV and can be picky about your choice of job opportunities. I know he coached under Moyes and Van Gaal but they were almost default positions, given to him not because someone wanted to employ him but because the people who he worked for thought it'd be good PR to keep him on (+ some nonsense about 'succession'). I wouldn't be surprised if we were sat here this time next year talking about 'ideal' roles for Giggs to first get into management. And the year after that.
True to an extent, in the last 2 years the following jobs have become available at some time or another:And you are saying this based on what?
None of us actually have any idea about what kind of jobs he was offered and whether he actually turned them down.
Regardless, do you not think it's pretty disrespectful and unprofessional for the owners to brief the press about his interview or their discussions with him? All whilst they championed Bradley as some tactical genius based on their talks with him... more to justify their own 'left field' appointment of a fellow American than anything else.Have you ever heard him speak? Underwhelming is being polite.
Why 2 years? The announcement that he'd left United was literally less than 6 months ago.True to an extent, in the last 2 years the following jobs have become available at some time or another:
As opposed to other people who go into coaching? Does he think people end their careers at 32/33 having taken all of age 27 off?Why 2 years? The announcement that he'd left United was literally less than 6 months ago.
Since then he's always said he planned to take a year off having been playing or coaching non-stop since he first put on his boots for United. He said in his farewell statement he had no immediate plans to go straight into management, although it is where he ultimately wanted to be.
You make a lot of strange assumptions.
It is rumored that the American owners are looking to use Swansea as a link-bridge to the MLS. They are also targeting Bill Hamid to move to the EPL with Swansea. Bob Bradley is supposed to be the first step towards this transition. Giggs should be careful working with such bosses, because this means that they will buy him players that he doesn't need and not give him players that he needs.Can't talk for someone like Giggs, but personally I rather take a Championship team with potential than taking this job at this stage of season, especially if it's my first real managerial job. Also the owners seem to be unprofessional too: they sold all the good players, managers seem to have to deal with with it, bad mouth (briefing?) candidate, seem to be the kind to overstep manager while seem like knowing nothing/little about football...
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If he wanted to be a coach, he probably could have done his coaching badges or something? At least show some intent... imagine if he even went out and became the first person to get their UEFA Pro Licence whilst still a player! I mean he could have done that but... oh.Again a bizarre decision. He gives every impression of someone who was in love with the idea of managing Manchester United but less enthusiastic about actually being a coach. Let's face it he only got the coaching job here because of some misguided obligation to tradition/continuity the club had as a folly. The only thing he was prepared to do to get the manager's job here is hang around and wait for it to be offered. He didn't think "Hang on, to do this job justice I've a lot to learn and experience to gain".
I know the general opinion is that Gary Neville was a failure at Valencia, but his successors are hardly doing any better, & as of now they are one place of the relegation spots. Obviously the problems go deeper than Neville's managerial ability. At least he is articulate & speaks well, which is more than you could say for Giggs. Hardly see him inspiring anyone, certainly not me.The managerial job in football is a high-risk profession. Just look at Gary. He went to Valencia with many people having high hopes for him, and his managerial career crashed within months. Or look at Solskjaer. Won the Norwegian league with Molde, took a risk and went to Cardiff only to have his reputation tarnished.
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He was a failure at Valencia.I know the general opinion is that Gary Neville was a failure at Valencia, but his successors are hardly doing any better, & as of now they are one place of the relegation spots. Obviously the problems go deeper than Neville's managerial ability. At least he is articulate & speaks well, which is more than you could say for Giggs. Hardly see him inspiring anyone, certainly not me.
That isn't true at all.I also realize that there are many of you on this forum are way too eager for Giggs to take over at Manchester United when Jose leaves. There are many of you who are criticizing his decision not to take up the job at Swansea or jobs at any small club and floundering around.
The truth is that there many things that the professionals know and they hide these things from the public. These are usually locker room or inner circle talk. The professionals tell each other privately but these things are not allowed to be leaked to the public.
Perhaps the real reason Giggs turned down is because he knew all along how the management at Swansea City is. The Guidolin and Bradley incidents have already shown us how the management under the Americans is. Of course, he can't tell the public that and has to find the most politically correct answer about "not matching his own ambitions".
Clubs and journalists are an unforgiving bunch of people in England. They give no second chance. After Gary Neville got sacked by Valencia, no one mentioned him again. That's why British managers are scared to manage, because if they fail, they won't be given a second chance. Barcelona gave Luis Enrique a second chance after he failed at Roma. Ancelotti was sacked several times but was given a new opportunity to start all over again at different clubs. Glenn Hoddle, Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Steve McClaren, Kevin Keegan, Peter Reid...the list goes on. If any of these names get mentioned when a position is available, everyone will go, "oh, he got sacked by so-and-so before". Why not give Giggs some time to find a club that he finds the most suitable and the most likely for him to succeed?
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Ancelotti was sacked by Parma and Juventus as well.That isn't true at all.
It was Celta Vigo that actually gave Enrique a chance to rebuilt his career. It was only after he had done well there that Barca showed interest. Ancelotti got fired by Real Madrid and Chelsea.After finishing second.He wasnt a total failure at either club. Heck, he wasnt much of failure at either.hes a multiple champions league winner that has had success wherever he's been. Those are poor examples.
He was fired for finishing second at Juve too.Ancelotti was sacked by Parma and Juventus as well.
I don't buy this, they're 4 points from safety at the moment with half a season to go. 4 teams above Swansea have only won 1 more match than them so we're not talking about a lot of form teams to catch either.If he gets relegated and sacked it won't be his fault, because Swansea are shit anyway and no one could improve them.
Agreed. If Giggs has genuine ambitions to manage United, he should really be proving himself in a job that's actually quite difficult, or where he's faced with a tricky task.I don't buy this, they're 4 points from safety at the moment with half a season to go. 4 teams above Swansea have only won 1 more match than them so we're not talking about a lot of form teams to catch either.
If he does take it on he'll have to accept a large portion of the blame for relegation if it happens.