I don't remember it that way and anyway we had some good games in the group stages. All I'm saying it's not that all of our games were bad in Europa.
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No I broadly agree with you, particularly about form since the turn of the year. However the results have still been good during this stodgy run. Then on top of that there is the much improved attacking football sprinkled throughout first half of the season.
Nah its been poor, especially when you consider the opposition.
Jose moaning about tiredness. Yet he played pretty much a full strength side away in France when we already pretty much had the tie wrapped up.
Under utilised players this season:
Bastian, Carrick, Young, Fosu Mensah, Tuanzabe
Jose could have utilised these players more IMO.
Under utilised players this season:
Bastian, Carrick, Young, Fosu Mensah, Tuanzabe
Jose could have utilised these players more IMO.
Who asked you? Scouse bugger!
It's almost like he didn't know that we were in multiple competitions this season. Maybe it's mind games to some but it's lame excuses to me. Or maybe it's way to tell the board to super spend in the summer
indeed.
Rotations is the only thing I can really question him for, our football has improved and I can't put the diabolical finishing down to him. We look tired and his lack of rotation is questionable, I suppose it makes sense given that we've struggled to see out games with our best players let alone with our bit-part players. The quality between some of our best players and our less important players is huge also.
Watford at home was one of our best performances of the season.
He obviously does not think these 3 are good enough.
Carrick and Young should have played a lot more though.
Or extra time
Dunno about Bastian but when it comes to young players,he knows feck all about who is good enough and who isnt,has zero trust in youth and he base everything on their age. We could have 18 year old Roberto Carlos and Darmian would still take most minutes of him while being in piss poor form.
Yeah, that was a good game. One of very few this calendar year.
I couldn't care less about 'youth' right now. Neither did SAF in a similar situation.
Get into CL and win the PL by playing attractive football. Only when that platform has been achieved and we rediscover our winning mentality and culture, then we could try and replicate with younger players.
It's impossible to boil an ocean. You have to prioritise.
Fair point and I mentioned something similar, I would have liked us to rotate more to keep our players fresh but we are struggling, we can't risk points and/or wins by trying to implement players that just aren't ready for that kind of responsibility.
But its not about him care for youth or not,its about not giving a chance to younger players which might be better players then some senior ones but they cant get chance nor minutes because of their age. For example,i believe that TFM is better midfielder in midfield two with build up play role then freaking Afroman. I mean few games ago we tried to break 10 man Bournemouth with Fellaini as creative force,a player who in 100 passes will choose around 98 to be backwards or sideways because he simple is bad at passing forward.
God what a boring set of interview questions, just fishing for compliments.
"Please Jose, tell us you Russia is nice and Russian teams play good football"
I don't think anyone can argue that Mourinho has done worse than Pep, but I've been more disappointed in Pep's season than José's. With José, I never expected us to finish top 4 or win the Europa (which we could still do to be fair) despite most thinking we'd challenge for the league, so in terms of how the seasons gone I'm not that surprised. A cup was a nice surprise, and we might even get two!
With Pep I expected City to challenge for the league (they were my favourites to win it) and play excellent football. Bar a few games I don't think City have played all that well and they're already out of the title race.
To clarify, I don't mean I'm disappointed in Pep as I wanted him to do well because I do hope he bombs at City, it was just in terms of how I expected him to do.
Not happy with him anymore. It's been a piss poor season and we've only regressed as it has progressed. The way we're playing at the moment and the lack of commitment from the players reminds me of van Gaal. Really worried by how lacklustre we look yet again.
He has to get it right in the Summer or he'll be on his way.
He has to get it right in the Summer or he'll be on his way.
Why has Jose got us in a 3 back system?
It does not suit us.
Our performances in 2017 have definitely slipped. Worrying signs. I've said before, I am giving him somewhat of a free pass this season.
Will judge more harshly more next season.
It does not suit us.
Our performances in 2017 have definitely slipped. Worrying signs. I've said before, I am giving him somewhat of a free pass this season.
Will judge more harshly more next season.
Keane had a real bitchfest about his comments tonight, so he's doing something right.
The condition of the pitch in first leg & Russian opponent overall. Missing Zlatan for Chelsea game & playing 10 men for like an hour. Missing Martial for this game & players are clearly tired with how the travel schedule after Chelsea was a proper mess. We actually don't have options for rotation in big/ important games. The style, even quality between the starters & the back ups are too different. Our squad depth is only workable in lesser games which the past few weeks were too important for us.
I think the international break comes at perfect time this time around & we would recover. The fixture congestion last few weeks is really taking its toll on us right now.
I have lost respect for Keane after his ridiculous outburst. His comments about Fergie were bad enough, but there was bad blood both ways, and clearly some personal animosity, so I overlooked it. But now he makes remarks like this towards Mourinho who didn't do anything to Keane. Completely uncalled for. Out of order, and does nothing to benefit the club. In fact his comments serve only to destabilize the club as we are fighting for silverware. Ridiculous. Keane has disgraced himself.
You have just disgraced yourself.
I don't think Keane has gotten over the early handshake thing during his time at Villa, he strikes me as the kind of guy that carries a huge grudge over the merest gesture he perceives as a slight.
Yeah he's mentioned how he doesn't like Mourinho a couple of times now this season. Probably all over a handshake years ago
He's definitely a guy that would feck you up over eating the last Malteser.Yeah he's mentioned how he doesn't like Mourinho a couple of times now this season. Probably all over a handshake years ago
Don't think there's much wrong with what Keane said really, it was over the top, but his point is valid. Sevilla coped just fine with the Europa League every year and that was with less resources.
Keane making stupid comments shocker.
Young, Schwienstieger and Mensah have been criminally under utilized. With Pogba overloaded
I disagree. The Spanish FA is more supportive for Spanish clubs even EL participants. The fixture schedule was not as stupid as how English counterpart dished out on English clubs who play in Europe, especially those in EL. For example late kick off Monday game vs Chelsea in FA Cup to maximize profit while it means harming us (with the plane delay, travel back trip), after we finally have a Monday game after being forced to play on Sunday for previous EL games. The pitch we played in Russia last week was deemed as unplayable by Russian FA just recently, but UEFA forced us to go through with it thus forcing us to change our game plan to adapt. In an ideal scenario, we could have tried harder in a better way to win in Russia last week. Went full out vs Chelsea & cruising this home game instead of a pragmatic plan to see it out since Rostov had every chance to turn the tie with our players showed sign of fatigue (Pogba pulled his harmstring. His third injuries according another poster in his entire career up to day (!!!); bananagate, inhalergate... all in one game)
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That's one instance and quite clearly the FA cup wasn't a priority for Mourinho. I can understand why he's saying some things he is coming out with, but at the same time Keane's opinion isn't wrong for me either. If Sevilla can deal with going all the way for 3 seasons in this competition then so should we.
And in reality we got the job done for now... Keane was OTT in way he felt like we should be doing much better. Sevilla achievement is well known, but people didn't realize they weren't really convincing on their way to the finals. Some hard fought results, close escapes... and they in some instance were afforded to go through motion in the league, having secured EL qualification for next season through Copa Del Rey/ no competition for EL place in the league & happy with EL qualification/ no chance of getting anything more from domestic games so they put all their egg into EL basket . We are favorite to win EL this season & should win it, but we're on more pressure than Sevilla, as we have to get CL football for next season & we ain't afforded just to go through motion with the league & put all our egg in one basket. We can win it the crappiest way possible & I am still glad. I don't agree on the way Keane reacting as if we're trying to get ourselves eliminated today. We didn't play well due to explained circumstance, but I can't fault our players for the effort this game.
Edit: I added few minor point in my previous. Check it out.
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Not out of order at all, Keane was spot on and just said what most football fans in the country think about Moaninho.
He is managing a massive club, won a trophy, and progressing in a European competition with the funding to spend nearly £90m on one player, I bet most managers would swap places with that.
The fixture congestion is due to the club's participation in cup competitions, it would be the same for any other club!
Read my previous posts. It's not so black & white when it come to statement like " it would be the same for any other club". Look back at the Christmas & New Year fixture, nobody with sense of fair judgement could say " same for any other club" & that's within same league. Compare to other leagues, English teams especially those in EL was treated worse by their own FA. Then UEFA didn't help too.
Most of other coaches would want this job, but the question is would they do anything better? I have my doubt
What was so different about United's fixtures, don't all clubs play a lot of games over Christmas?
United's fixtures were on a par with Liverpool's - everyone plays a lot of games.
Moaninho has a strong squad and massive budget so should be able to cope as well as most.
When you progress in several cup competitions you are bound to play more games.
Some of these players earn a fortune every week, irrespective of what club they play for that comes with the territory - they just have to all get on with it.
So you didn't follow the season at all? Try search the old thread & look at how well paced Chelsea & Tottenham compare to the rest of the top 7 teams. Well pace schedule = sufficient fitness recovery time & preparation for next game. Try to search my post in the same thread, you can see I correctly predicted that Tottenham would easily spank Watford weeks prior just purely based on how I see the influence of the fixture pacing. Did you realize why L'pool was hit hard & had been so shite since the turn of New Year? We fared better than L'pool but then we had EL to play & our form has been not good neither. Tottenham crashed out of EL as soon as possible. Arsenal & City haven't been doing so well too.
The budget reasoning doesn't work as Mourinho made 4 signings & has to rely on the squad available from last season. You don't account our signings previous seasons for Mourinho like you do with club with a DoF who oversee club structure, transfer, identity... We let our managers have free reign & LVG tried to a very distant approach than our liking & Mourinho. Unless money can make FA to give us a better fixture pacing, then I don't see you use money as yardstick where we should do better for the time being.
Edit: Read my previous posts & you can see in a post I gave the example of the stupid late kick off Monday FA Cup game which screwed our home traveling trip.
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Why sell Memphis and Schneiderlin before summer, while keeping Schweinsteiger who is rarely fit, then go on moaning about fatigue and fixture ?
He's said multiple times he's not going to hold onto players who want to leave and they wanted to leave
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