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Tottenham (4th Jan game), Man utd and now Arsenal have dominated Chelsea whilst setting up 5 at the back, is it that simple to counter act Chelsea's tactics?
Serie A is shit. Only one team there. Hopefully AC Milan are back this time. Good signings so far.yes so dumb that he has won the last 6 leagues in a row, (he has taken part to) and will comfortably win the 7th too IMO
Spurs didn't dominate, they were more clinical with their chancesTottenham (4th Jan game), Man utd and now Arsenal have dominated Chelsea whilst setting up 5 at the back, is it that simple to counter act Chelsea's tactics?
Loads of teams tried thought the season and it made no difference really. Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal are not a million miles away from Chelsea in terms of quality.Tottenham (4th Jan game), Man utd and now Arsenal have dominated Chelsea whilst setting up 5 at the back, is it that simple to counter act Chelsea's tactics?
serie A has now less top teams than it used to but tactically is still a very good league and not an easy one to win. Also despite the difference in investments it does not look like the performances in Europe have been so much worse than PL for instanceSerie A is shit. Only one team there. Hopefully AC Milan are back this time. Good signings so far.
Other than Juventus, who are a top side, when was the last time an Italian team did anything in Europe?serie A has now less top teams than it used to but tactically is still a very good league and not an easy one to win. Also despite the difference in investments it does not look like the performances in Europe have been so much worse than PL for instance
Hmmm... I'm surprised by how optimistic you are. You reckon Chelsea will be competing with Juventus, Real, Barcelona etc. with 3-4 additions? I reckon you need to add in midfield because Matic-Kante in a two leave you too reliant on the front 3 to create chances. Plus, the world ng backs are the other obvious area of improvement. I don't mean that as a shot a Moses and Alonso as both (Alonso especially) have been excellent, but I imagine Chelsea can upgrade. Same goes for Cahill in defense.Losing the final is a bummer but a little less worried about next season now.
Pretty sure the club goes out and gets 3-4 new starters this summer. If it goes alright, we should be challenging not only for the leauge but CL too.
Surprised you say that since most Chelsea lot on here call me the most pessimistic of us around.Hmmm... I'm surprised by how optimistic you are. You reckon Chelsea will be competing with Juventus, Real, Barcelona etc. with 3-4 additions? I reckon you need to add in midfield because Matic-Kante in a two leave you too reliant on the front 3 to create chances. Plus, the world ng backs are the other obvious area of improvement. I don't mean that as a shot a Moses and Alonso as both (Alonso especially) have been excellent, but I imagine Chelsea can upgrade. Same goes for Cahill in defense.
With Costa's recent comments, it looks like he'll be staying which is obviously good news, plus I reckon Hazard will also stay for at least another season before Real snap him up. Pedro has been excellent but you have to worry anout his place in the team with rumours of Sanchez. Can Sanchez and Hazard play in the same team?
Spurs didn't dominate, they were more clinical with their chances
United and Arsenal outran and outmuscled them, simple as that.
Also, you all need to realise "tactics" and "systems" mean nothing. It's all about the players.
Fair points!Loads of teams tried thought the season and it made no difference really. Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal are not a million miles away from Chelsea in terms of quality.
I said there are less top sides. I think Napoli is very competitive at European level as well, they lack in experience but they have done very well in the last 3 campaigns. Napoli lost in UEFA semifinals 2 years ago and they were extremely unlucky with referee, besides an Higuain underperforming.Other than Juventus, who are a top side, when was the last time an Italian team did anything in Europe?
See is A is one of the most uncompetitive leagues in Europe when it comes to the top prize.I said there are less top sides. I think Napoli is very competitive at European level as well, they lack in experience but they have done very well in the last 3 campaigns. Napoli lost in UEFA semifinals 2 years ago and they were extremely unlucky with referee, besides an Higuain underperforming.
Fiorentina also had a good run in Europa league. In any case I am not disputing the notion that serie A is less competitive than EPL, but it is not an easy league to win and tactically is actually more difficult than Liga or EPL
It feels like it's an easy league to win if you're Juventus.I said there are less top sides. I think Napoli is very competitive at European level as well, they lack in experience but they have done very well in the last 3 campaigns. Napoli lost in UEFA semifinals 2 years ago and they were extremely unlucky with referee, besides an Higuain underperforming.
Fiorentina also had a good run in Europa league. In any case I am not disputing the notion that serie A is less competitive than EPL, but it is not an easy league to win and tactically is actually more difficult than Liga or EPL
It's because they aren't a genuinely great team. Which makes Conte getting 93/94 points with them even more absurd. He's been incredible this season. Out preformed the other big named by a country mileTottenham (4th Jan game), Man utd and now Arsenal have dominated Chelsea whilst setting up 5 at the back, is it that simple to counter act Chelsea's tactics?
well Juventus is at present oversized for serie A and would have won the EPL as well in the last 2-3 years, but a lot of the games even with smaller teams are much closer than they would seem and certainly more difficult than games in Liga or Bundesliga for instanceIt feels like it's an easy league to win if you're Juventus.
What is it? 6 titles in a row?
And like I said I think Juventus are a truly fantastic side, but Serie A is in a bit of a mess right now it seems.
This wasnt the case when Conte took over. Juve were struggling at best. They has finished 7th two seasons in a row and he took them to an invincible season straight from there.See is A is one of the most uncompetitive leagues in Europe when it comes to the top prize.
Juve are vastly superior to anyone else and like last season with Pjanic and Higuain, they can easily picked the best players from their rivals.
Context is also important though.This wasnt the case when Conte took over. Juve were struggling at best. They has finished 7th two seasons in a row and he took them to an invincible season straight from there.
That is correct, when Conte took over Juventus had finished 2 back to back seasons seventh and out of Europe, the worst results in its modern history. When Conte took over Juve had the 4th turnover in Serie A and many did not even think the team was strong enough to qualify for CL (the club target was CL within 2 years). The defense that today many consider the best in the world was considered mediocre at best including by many Juve fans who wanted Chiellini and Bonucci sold away and Buffon to retire. Pirlo who joined for free had not played a decent season for 3 years. Inter, Roma and Milan had all better teams on the paper.This wasnt the case when Conte took over. Juve were struggling at best. They has finished 7th two seasons in a row and he took them to an invincible season straight from there.
Agree with that the conditions have been favorable for him. But the kind of dominance that Juve showed under Conte (and even Chelsea this season) is just something else. Think he deserves a lot of credit for that.Context is also important though.
This was just after Jose had left Italy with Rafa taking over and starting the Inter decline.
Both the Milan clubs went into massive decline around the same time. It's not like they were finishing 2nd or 3rd but much further down so that is a factor to consider.
I'm not saying he didn't do a decent job mind you but Juventus are Italy's s biggest and richest club. After a few years of reacclimatising to the league, they were likely to improve.
Unlike many on here, I am willing to extend him that credit. This has been a brilliant season, especially because he did it his way.Agree with that the conditions have been favorable for him. But the kind of dominance that Juve showed under Conte (and even Chelsea this season) is just something else. Think he deserves a lot of credit for that.
right, that's why they were strong favourites as league winners last summerConte had exactly zero for Plan B in the cup final. her inherited a fantastic squad at Chelsea - even Moyes might have got a win or two under his belt with that lot!
I think one has to acknowledge that Arsenal were very un-Arsenal-like in that game. They had a brilliant day.Conte had exactly zero for Plan B in the cup final. her inherited a fantastic squad at Chelsea - even Moyes might have got a win or two under his belt with that lot!
I'd be fine without signing a CB, if all of these 6 stay. It would be a great opportunity to give players like Ake and Christensen more game time.Tweet
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How do Chelsea fans feel about potentially signing a new CB like Koulibaly? I mean the depth there is incredible: David Luiz, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Zouma, Ake and Christensen. Who would be the most likely to leave?
If we can get Koulibaly or Vandijk, I would sell on Ake with a buy back clause. Zouma is going to leave any way possibly on a loan. While Christensen is likely to be a part of the first team next season.How do Chelsea fans feel about potentially signing a new CB like Koulibaly? I mean the depth there is incredible: David Luiz, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Zouma, Ake and Christensen. Who would be the most likely to leave?
so they had a rubbish squad did they?right, that's why they were strong favourites as league winners last summer
they had a team that was at shambles and last year performed very poorly with several players who were shxt or wanted out like Costa. Others that had been key for the last title like their captain that had their last good season and faced retirement.so they had a rubbish squad did they?
I think we need two top strikers including Costa for a decent 3-5-2 to work as 3-4-3 is two predictable.4 Players should be enough and either way I dont think any team can change more players and expect to perform at their best in the first season anyway.
Out of the 4 one is going to be a replacement for Costa. The other three I would want to be upgrades over Cahill (Van Dijk), Alonso (Rodriguez) and Matic (someone similar to Nainggolan).
We can live with Pedro/Willian still sharing the RF position for a season.
These changes would allow us to line up in Conte's favoured 4-1-4-1 formation as well as 3-5-2 and also the standard 3-4-3.
Think the Ranieri comparison is not a good one as Leicester's winning streak was under Pearson, Rainieri's best move was to change very little.Im still not convinced by Conte yet. I can't deny he is a great manager but I think his work in the next couple of seasons will determine how good he really is.
He is doing a great job so far but so it was Ranieri when Leicester won the PL and then everyone saw what happened in the next season.
Obviously Leicester and Chelsea are 2 very different teams but my point being that 1 great season doesn't mean exactly that they will dominate the next season aswell or play with the same quality.
Plus now they have to play in the CL aswell so lets see how they cope with a tight schedule
Good points above.they had a team that was at shambles and last year performed very poorly with several players who were shxt or wanted out like Costa. Others that had been key for the last title like their captain that had their last good season and faced retirement.
They had obviously a good team but one full of "holes" (and still with lots of room for improvement) and a transfer investment that was well below those of the Manchester clubs.
Nobody said they were rubbish, but nobody was expecting them to compete for the title let alone win it comfortably with a huge advantage on all the other teams except Spurs. I do not think it is just my imagination, just read your own forum predictions at the start of the season and let me know if you find one single post anticipating it. Now apparently Conte did nothing, and it was all due given the amazing team they had. I hope put your money where your mouth is because at the start of the season a Chelsea win was paid very handsomely by bookies.
They were in my book one of the favorites, especially playing one game a week with that squad.right, that's why they were strong favourites as league winners last summer
just where did you get thatr nonsense? they were second favourites behind City at almost any bookie worth their saltthey had a team that was at shambles and last year performed very poorly with several players who were shxt or wanted out like Costa. Others that had been key for the last title like their captain that had their last good season and faced retirement.
They had obviously a good team but one full of "holes" (and still with lots of room for improvement) and a transfer investment that was well below those of the Manchester clubs.
Nobody said they were rubbish, but nobody was expecting them to compete for the title let alone win it comfortably with a huge advantage on all the other teams except Spurs. I do not think it is just my imagination, just read your own forum predictions at the start of the season and let me know if you find one single post anticipating it. Now apparently Conte did nothing, and it was all due given the amazing team they had. I hope put your money where your mouth is because at the start of the season a Chelsea win was paid very handsomely by bookies.
I believe I got the nonsense from bookies, since I looked at the time.just where did you get thatr nonsense? they were second favourites behind City at almost any bookie worth their salt
When nearly every club starts copying Conte's style and playing three at the back you can understand why some might consider worshiping Conte.Congratulation Arsenal!
Am glad they gate crashed Chelsea Double party. The level of worshipping people having for Conte this season is getting on my nerve. You would think Conte is some kind of a super manager who brought some unknown club to Champion ala Ranieri last year. Most of their players were champions two season ago FFS.
(Don't mind Arsenal going ahead of us for FA Cup at all. We will get ahead of them in time)
yes.. I saids bookies worth their salt: ie well-known ones. not some website that's been around 10 minutes.I believe I got the nonsense from bookies, since I looked at the time.
Most have not the old odds but some examples are here: http://www.101greatgoals.com/premier-league-outright-winner-20162017-tips-odds-predictions/
And actually for quite a few Arsenal was third favourite. Again you do not need to go far to check that, just look at your own prediction thread and see how many people predicted a Chelsea win or 2nd place. If that was the sentiment on one of the most popular football forums how do you think that translated into bookies odds?
I dont think a striker like Lukaku or Morata will be prepared to sit at the bench when we are not playing 3-5-2. Also if we play two top strikers (say Costa & Lukaku) if a 3-5-2, there will be no place left for Hazard.I think we need two top strikers including Costa for a decent 3-5-2 to work as 3-4-3 is two predictable.
Agree that any more than 4 players will upset dressing room harmony.