Ronaldo to pay 15 millions for tax fraud
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I assume he's including NIC (social security).
Ahh yes, expected people to come here and defend people trying their utmost to not pay taxes. Was not disappointed.
Ronaldo is a scumbag. I'm just glad this Messi is a tax dodging midget and Ronaldo is a Saint who gives away to charity will have to end now.
Those are the costs of running society. Everyone pays them.
In Portugal I pay 37 % earning about earning an average salary. Anyone above €80k per year will be paying 48 %. That money funds schools, a superb national health service, roads, security, social subsidies for the poor, public investment that creates employment and makes the economy grow.
When I hear people complaining about taxes I just imagine them paying 0 % and living in the middle of the woods without roads, electricity, airports, police, etc. I wonder if they would enjoy life more, having to burn money for heat and without tarmac for their super cars.
Plus healthcare, education for your children, etc...
I don't mind paying more to get more back. I understand the theoretical appeal of paying less and having more money to spend as you chose, but in the end it depends on how you want society to organize itself. I'd rather pay more taxes for better schools for everyone than paying less so I can chose a better school just for my kid. Same for healthcare, etc. High taxes are just a form of wealth distribution.
Not until there is a conviction..
I feel strongly about this, and it's always the same lame excuses that they weren't aware, and eventually they end up with a fine. It doesn't even hurt their popularity anymore.
At the of the day, the likes of messi and ronaldo have denied the less fortunate of millions over greed, and as long as no one ends up in prison, this will keep happening.
At the of the day, the likes of messi and ronaldo have denied the less fortunate of millions over greed, and as long as no one ends up in prison, this will keep happening.
I always like to ask people if they want police or fire departments to demand payment before they will help them.
I wonder what his fanbois are thinking now, I mean the ones who criticized Messi for doing the same. In the end, they're all the same. Crooked cnuts.
You can ask that question when Ronaldo has been convicted in a court of law, like the other guy was. He's not even been charged with anything.
The criticism did start before any charge on Messi tbh. Stuff like, "you wouldn't and won't hear stories like that about Ronaldo". They're not much, they're trying to earn as much as possible while trying to avoid paying as much tax as possible. Difference is only between being caught or not.
The verdic of a court is everything, when it comes to.. well everything. So we'll just have to wait and see of there is a charge at all.
You can do that and I can still suspect the whole thing to stink. Court verdicts aren't everything of course. You can still have your own view.
Of course it is. No conviction and no one, bar a few people, will talk about it/be bothered. Either way, we'll see!
Close to half of Americans don't pay income tax and a big portion of the millionaires don't pay federal taxes so the number which the US government should be getting from taxes and what it's actually getting varies by a lot.
My numbers are based on an article that takes all of those variables into account.
Hence, "average American".
I doubt Ronaldo has a clue whats happening with his tax. He probably only signs on the dotted line and the rest is done by a team of accountants . They try to make sure he pays as little as possible. Thats why he employs them
The accountants are just so dedicated to Ronaldo, they commit tax fraud to the tune of 15m, just to make sure he pays as little as possible. Incredible devotion.
People don't do shit like that for other people without approval.
Indeed it is. What winds me up is that Messi and Ronaldo are making these mega millions on the backs of past greats like Ghiggia and Garrincha who died broke without the benefit of all the support systems that Messi and Ronaldo seem to take for granted.
Greed. 9 out of 10 people have it.
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Here's how the SPanish media reported both his and Messi's news.
150 years!
With Perez and Madrid behind everything, it's pretty clear. Even the prosecutor of Messi used to work for Real Madrid.
Probably Ronaldo won't even move a finger and it will be solved. I have no doubts 90% of the big sportsmen aren't clean. And I think that in the case of the footballers, they don't really know about all of this that much. For ronaldo and Messi, 4 and 15 Millon Euro are not that much...I don't see how they would do it.
Come back to Manchester Christiano. We've got a Tory government! The kind of money you make, you'll never need to pay tax again!
This is probably the level headed response, for both Messi and Ronaldo. They employ guys to sort their taxes and those guys look for loopholes.
They employ these guys with the sole intention of minimizing their tax exposure. They're taking a legal risk in doing so and have to be held responsible if the scheme is deemed illegal.
These firms are competing with each other to see how they can help their client pay less tax. that's how they gain new clients.
You need to have the IQ and a loaf of bread, not to be able to understand that you could be running the risk of getting on the tax man's bad side.
There are plenty of legitimate, legal ways to apply exemptions to what tax you pay and I don't expect footballers to be versed in what these are so you could imagine that they are approached by firms who promise to take care of it for them. Something similar happened in the UK when pop stars had signed up to investment opportunities which were effectively tax avoidance measures. They're not coming up with these plans themselves but are being presented with these ways to reduce tax and no doubt told its all legit.
You can still your own opinion, charged or not, talked about or not.
Of course, but it doesn't really matter per se. The only thing that is tangible is the word of the court - that's what I'm getting at.
So he reallyhas outperformed Messi in everything this year, what a player.
Ignorance isn't a defence. It's his money and his taxes, ultimately he's responsible for it all. You can't pay other people to commit crimes for you and then plead innocence.
It is not like they are going to prove anything
Even if they did, it is not like he will be sentenced to jail
Even if they did sentence, it is not like he has to actually go to jail
I think they should take a cue from the Messi case and ask Ronaldo to pay up 15M (secretly or something). Rather than waste time and money on gathering enough proofs for the evasion.
Even if they did, it is not like he will be sentenced to jail
Even if they did sentence, it is not like he has to actually go to jail
I think they should take a cue from the Messi case and ask Ronaldo to pay up 15M (secretly or something). Rather than waste time and money on gathering enough proofs for the evasion.
So A Bola today says Cris has decided to leave Spain, has already told Flo and his decision is final
My question is: WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH A BOLA JOURNOS?!?!?!
My question is: WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH A BOLA JOURNOS?!?!?!
He has an obligation to carry out sufficient checks to ensure what he's doing is "legit". Relying on people he pays lots of money to exploit loopholes in the system to give him that information isn't just naive, it's negligent. For someone so widely praised for being a charitable person he seems to care very little for the people of Spain.
They could jail him for a year and he'll still score 40 next season. It's infuriating how Ken Dodd and Lester Piggott did bird but Ronaldo and Messi are able to obfuscate their own guilt by a network of hired accountancy placemen. Govts have always picked on the wrinkled and sleight. That said I'm sure Ronaldo is innocent. He's never struck me as materialistic.
These are footballers, not accountants. No doubt its not negligent but his life is run by advisors and management teams. I'm not excusing him either and he'll be fined £15 million as a harsh lesson. I just don't see it as Ronaldo or Messi sitting down coming up with schemes not to pay their tax.
It's really insulting that you don't think CR7 and LM10 are capable of sitting down and planning things.