Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

[dogwithabone]

Dier would be a great signing. Spurs have a terrific midfield and he's a vital cog in it. Dont really understand why there so much negativity towards him. He's a far better player than Schneiderlin and I'd rather have Dier than Kante.

 

[Dobba]

I know international football is never a good barometer but he has largely been shite for England, especially against Scotland recently.

If his performance against Scotland was especially shite, I'm not sure what you could describe the France game as.

 

[Kevin]

---------Bailly---Rojo------
Valencia-----Dier----Perisic
------Herrera---Pogba------
---Mkhi-----------Rashford
------------Lukaku---------

Fifth---and---Second---round---CL----exit

 

[Kostur]

Please Levy, don't fecking budge.

 

[Jazz]

So does Herrera, Pogba, Bailly, Rojo, Shaw, Martial. Basically half our squad, he'll fit right in.

/isn't that the point? Why add another 'bad decision-making' player to the team?

 

[sullydnl]

Dier would be a great signing. Spurs have a terrific midfield and he's a vital cog in it. Dont really understand why there so much negativity towards him. He's a far better player than Schneiderlin and I'd rather have Dier than Kante.

A) He didn't play in midfield for large chunks of Spurs' season, so he can't be that vital.

B) Spurs are hardly the most amazing team on the planet themselves. Their "amazing" midfield hasn't exactly dazzled the football world.

C) Schneiderlin at Southampton was a better midfielder than Dier, albeit not a DM.

 

[DWelbz19]

Dier would be a great signing. Spurs have a terrific midfield and he's a vital cog in it. Dont really understand why there so much negativity towards him. He's a far better player than Schneiderlin and I'd rather have Dier than Kante.

He didn't even play in their midfield for most of last season.

 

[saivet]

Poor wording, meant he was not the preferred option for DM. He played most of the season as a CB in a 3 man defence if im not mistaken. Wanyama was greatly preferred as the DM

While true, not sure how it's a bad thing. Wanyama can't play CB, so putting Dier at the back makes sense. You get them both play rather than having to bring in a weaker player in.

 

[Saf94]

I think that was because they had CB injuries - not because Wanyama was preferred.

They specifically switched to a back 3 though after playing a 4 man defence all of the season before? If they had CB injuries they could have just gone to a back 4. And for what it's worth Wanyama was superb, I've also read a lot of Spurs fans saying he's better than Dier (which I wouldn't disagree with)

 

[Womp]

/isn't that the point? Why add another 'bad decision-making' player to the team?

It was tongue in cheek pal. On a more serious note, all players make mistakes, they're not robots.

I prefer Fabinho but we need to understand the people discussing transfers at the club are more much knowledgable than we are, believe it or not. There's a much higher chance they'll get it right than we would.

 

[Klopp_De_Klown]

Aww this is done, united fan, much bigger wages and spurs not selling... As always

Done deal

 

[Random Task]

I'd prefer Fabinho too, but he's obviously not the type of DM we are looking at. He gets forward quite a bit. We could be looking for a DM to just sit in front of the defence and allow Pogba/Herrera to get much further forward.

This.

Dier is the perfect foil for Herrera and Pogba,

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

How big a factor is the England factor?

We have Shaw with maybe potential for future. Rashford certainly. Lingard just hanging on with a squad place.

Carrick has maybe a season in him. Young can't be too far behind at 32.

Smalling and /or Jones are probably on fringes of leaving.

So we are quickly looking at a future with at most 2-4 English players in the squad. Is this enough?

 

[Jazz]

It was tongue in cheek pal. On a more serious note, all players make mistakes, they're not robots.

I prefer Fabinho but we need to understand the people discussing transfers at the club are more much knowledgable than we are, believe it or not. There's a much higher chance they'll get it right than we would.

I know that.
It's just every time I see this dude he's making some shit decisions (maybe I catch him at a bad time always?). It's nothing about him being understated either (that's Carrick - understated but brilliant) - he's just bloody underwhelming. Anyway.. it is what it is. Still hope Levy tells us to feck off tbh.

 

[Saf94]

How big a factor is the England factor?

We have Shaw with maybe potential for future. Rashford certainly. Lingard just hanging on with a squad place.

Carrick has maybe a season in him. Young can't be too far behind at 32.

Smalling and /or Jones are probably on fringes of leaving.

So we are quickly looking at a future with at most 2-4 English players in the squad. Is this enough?

He doesn't count as homegrown though because he played in Sporting's academy

 

[SammyUnited_83]

He is best mates with Alli.

It's all preparation for next summers transfer window...

 

[sullydnl]

How big a factor is the England factor?

We have Shaw with maybe potential for future. Rashford certainly. Lingard just hanging on with a squad place.

Carrick has maybe a season in him. Young can't be too far behind at 32.

Smalling and /or Jones are probably on fringes of leaving.

So we are quickly looking at a future with at most 2-4 English players in the squad. Is this enough?

Dier, not even being able to be English properly, doesn't count as a homegrown player. So if we're focusing on the England factor then he is probably the most useless English player we could possibly get.

 

[Marzo]

That is absolute rubbish! Having written a Masters dissertation on the Effeciency of the Sports Betting Market, the odds from bookmakers are a significant predictor of actual events.

Bookmakers will of course make some adjustments to protect their liability but to claim its just based on money put down is a very poor attempt to add weight to your argument - you are wrong. If you were right then England would be the favourites for every international competition.

Bit late to the party, but this is spot on,I have worked for a bookmaker, and it is all about predictably based on actual events possibility's, not on money.
We would adjust odds as the money comes in to balance the books and prevent losses but it is all based on percentages of actual events.
The more likely an outcome, the shorter the odds, as more rumours of other potential targets come in,we would then create a market based on this to deflect off the main predictable outcome.
It is just not based on money but on an outcome.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

Dier, not even being able to be English properly, doesn't count as a homegrown player. So if we're focusing on the England factor then he is probably the most useless English player we could possibly get.

Crazy stuff really. What even are the rules these days

 

[GlastonSpur]

@GlastonSpur Seriously speaking how highly do you rate Dier, everytime i have seen him (mainly for England) he hasn't not impressed me one bit?

He's been a regular part of a starting XI that finished 3rd the season before last and 2nd last season. In both cases his duties have been defensive or defensive minded - as DM or as part of a back 3. And both cases we've had either the best defensive record in the league (last season) or the joint best (the season before last).

All that speaks for itself. Pochettino values him for solid reasons.

 

[hn4manunited]

From what I have seen. Dier would be a solid addition that provide options. Not great options but options. He's a good DM and a backup for other defensive positions. What he lacks is some structure and discipline. The season he did really well in DM, he appeared more disciplined. He gets all over the place when he starts to drift from his areas of responsibilities.

With Jose's man management and organization, I think Dier could potentially step up a couple of notches in his performance and effectiveness. Would be interesting to see.

 

[Jazz]

He's been a regular part of our starting XI than finished 3rd the season before last and 2nd last season. In both cases his duties have been defensive or defensive minded - as DM or as part of a back 3. And both cases we've had either the best defensive record in the league (last season) or the joint best (the season before last).

All that speaks for itself. Pochettino values him for solid reasons.

So that means he won't want to sell him I hope!

 

[arthurka]

He's been a regular part of a starting XI that finished 3rd the season before last and 2nd last season. In both cases his duties have been defensive or defensive minded - as DM or as part of a back 3. And both cases we've had either the best defensive record in the league (last season) or the joint best (the season before last).

All that speaks for itself. Pochettino values him for solid reasons.

I agree he is both solid and skilled.. He would be a very good signing.. Not that Levy will budge..

 

[TrueRed79]

Who would people prefer out of Dier or Matic hypothetically? Don't say Fabinho!

Dier. He can be as good if not better than Matic, and we need to keep the team 'somewhat' Brittish. He would be a typical Fergie signing. He' seriously underrated around here. A bit like Carrick was when we signed him.

 

[Wayne's World]

Dier would be a great signing. Spurs have a terrific midfield and he's a vital cog in it. Dont really understand why there so much negativity towards him. He's a far better player than Schneiderlin and I'd rather have Dier than Kante.

No he's not...Wanyama is the vital one in that midfield and has been all of last season

I like Dier but not for 50 million. His performance against France really concerned me and he was pretty poor in most of the big matches for Spurs last season

 

[djdhrubs]

He's been a regular part of a starting XI that finished 3rd the season before last and 2nd last season. In both cases his duties have been defensive or defensive minded - as DM or as part of a back 3. And both cases we've had either the best defensive record in the league (last season) or the joint best (the season before last).

All that speaks for itself. Pochettino values him for solid reasons.

How do you rate him as an individual? What are his individual strengths/weaknesses? Honestly haven't seen him play much. Good technique and good passer, or just a big unit who positions himself well? Does he have any pace? Does he offer anything whatsoever in attack?

 

[Paxi]

Don't know what the feck people are smoking. Dier is excellent.

Tall, strong lad who is good on the ball. Fantastic passer of the ball, top notch actually. Good vision. Great tackler of the ball. Very versatile. He would be excellent addition.

 

[Klopp_De_Klown]

All that speaks for itself. Pochettino values him for solid reasons.

But clearly doesn't value him enough to esure he has a decent wage

 

[sullydnl]

Dier. He can be as good if not better than Matic, and we need to keep the team 'somewhat' Brittish. He would be a typical Fergie signing. He' seriously underrated around here. A bit like Carrick was when we signed him.

There are countless players who, if we were linked to them, would be underrated around here "a bit like Carrick". The vast, vast majority of them would not turn out to be successes like Carrick did. It's a flimsy comparison.

I also don't see how he would be a typical Ferguson signing. He's not much like any of the midfielders we had under SAF.

 

[Android1974]

Mourinho's logic is taking a younger defensive preferably English midfielder to prepare for Carrick's goodbye and challenge Herrera. Not a dead sure starter, this one.

 

[Castia]

Spurs won't sell, I think this is a non starter.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Acquire Eric Dier, and we will be on course to bringing in Dele Alli next season.

With Spurs playing at Wembley next season, potentially losing Walker and Dier; I can only see them going into decline next season onwards.

 

[GlastonSpur]

But clearly doesn't value him enough to esure he has a decent wage

You're right - we put a gun to his head and forced him to sign a new, 5 year contract just 10 months ago. The poor lamb.

 

[Womp]

People just need to look at Madrid to see the difference a proper DM can make. Fabinho is who everyone wants and for good reason, he's been great this season. What people forget is although he's the more defensive of the two between him and Bakayoko he is no proper anchor. He would stray forward, influence the game further forward too. He played in a midfield two, playing in one of the most exciting and young squads we've seen in a while. His expectations here would be to sit behind Pogba and allow him to flourish as he is our best player. It's not the same. Coupled with the fact that he wants to play RB to make the upcoming World Cup squad and you got a dillema.

Dier has played in both DM and CB And has looked solid in both. You're not going to get Scholes cross field balls with him but you'll get is a player who is happy to help his midfield partners shine. He will anchor the defence and midfield, allowing our FB's be more attacking, he'll allow Ander to press opposition players higher up in their half, rather than waiting for them to get into our half and most importantly he'll push Pogba forward and allow to play as a pseudo 10, which is where he's at his best. He'll recycle posession and break up play to help get the best out of our other players.

The signing may seem underwhelming but we of all fans would know that hype doesn't equate to success. Di Maria, Falcao, Depay etc. all say hello. The caf were all excited about Morgan and he turned out shite for us, so maybe we aren't as knowledgable as we think we are.

The way some of you go on about Dier, you'd think he had the technique of a Sunday league player. He's actually quite good on the ball and although it isn't his speciality, he's a more than capable passer.

Let a world class manager do his job and create a functioning team, leave the pretty passes to Herrera and Pogba.

 

[Acole9]

With our customary injury crisis at centre half every season he will come in useful as he's just as comfortable playing there. I agree with @TrueRed79 Carrick wasn't an overly popular signing to begin with but look at the career he's had with us. Dier could do the same.

 

[Klopp_De_Klown]

You're right - we put a gun to his head and forced him to sign a new, 5 year contract just 10 months ago. The poor lamb.

Oh maybe, but he holds the gun now if the offer comes in. And if one is treated badly it can effect a whole bunch.

 

[Marzo]

People just need to look at Madrid to see the difference a proper DM can make. Fabinho is who everyone wants and for good reason, he's been great this season. What people forget is although he's the more defensive of the two between him and Bakayoko he is no proper anchor. He would stray forward, influence the game further forward too. He played in a midfield two, playing in one of the most exciting and young squads we've seen in a while. His expectations here would be to sit behind Pogba and allow him to flourish as he is our best player. It's not the same. Coupled with the fact that he wants to play RB to make the upcoming World Cup squad and you got a dillema.

Dier has played in both DM and CB And has looked solid in both. You're not going to get Scholes cross field balls with him but you'll get is a player who is happy to help his midfield partners shine. He will anchor the defence and midfield and let our FB's be more attacking, he'll allow Ander to press opposition players higher up in their half, rather than waiting for them to get into our half and most importantly he'll push Pogba forward and allow to play as a pseudo 10, which is where he's at his best. He'll recycle posession and break up play to help get the best out of our other players.

The signing may seem underwhelming but we of all fans would know that hype doesn't equate to success. Di Maria, Falcao, Depay etc. all say hello. The caf were all excited about Morgan and he turned out shite for us, so maybe we aren't as knowledgable as we think we are.

Let a world class manager do his job and create a functioning team, leave the pretty passes to Herrera and Pogba.

Good post, I agree he will do well here and he does chip in with the occasional goal, 7 for Spurs I think .

 

[Paxi]

 

[GlastonSpur]

How do you rate him as an individual? What are his individual strengths/weaknesses? Honestly haven't seen him play much. Good technique and good passer, or just a big unit who positions himself well? Does he have any pace? Does he offer anything whatsoever in attack?

His strengths are versatility in at least 3 different positions, good pace, very good with arial balls, decent passing, strong physical presence, good discipline in knowing his role and sticking to it, good tackler, rarely injured, aggressive, reasonable positioning and anticipation.

Weakness: occasionally loses concentration, not especially good going forward (when playing as DM) as he's sometimes not sure what to do with the ball.

He scores the odd goal, including the occasional long-range screamer, but is mostly only a goal threat for headers from corners.

 

[Acole9]

His strengths are versatility in at least 3 different positions, good pace, very good with arial balls, decent passing, strong physical presence, good discipline in knowing his role and sticking to it, good tackler, rarely injured, aggressive, reasonable positioning and anticipation.

Weakness: occasionally loses concentration, not especially good going forward (when playing as DM) as he's sometimes not sure what to do with the ball.

He scores the odd goal, including the occasional long-range screamer, but is mostly only a goal threat for headers from corners.

DM, CB and?