Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

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Not a great stat tbh, Liverpool take a lot of shots from outside the box.
Exactly, they usually take 50% of shots from outside box and few more from just edge of the box and difficult angles.
 

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Got an idea for a Jurgen meme. Who's the best photoshop geek on caf ? I'm too stupid/lazy to learn it that's all.
Just download meme maker on your Android phone from the play store. Or equivalent on iphone.
 

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Has anyone seen that incident with the translator in the post match press conference? He made a complete fool of himself.
 

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Thing is, having watched a few of Liverpool's matches during this run, there's no way that even half of those chances were clear cut or even taken in the box. I think Klopp is one of the few major managers in the game who prefers his team to take as many shots as possible rather than focusing on creating more clearer cut chances. Obviously with someone like Coutinho in the team it's always worth encouraging long shots, and maybe the lack of height/presence in the box means they can't rely on clear cut chances being created in the same manner Utd (Lukaku), Spurs (Kane), City (Aguero, Jesus) can but looking at this stat in regards to the way Liverpool play as a whole - in particular their defence - it appears so much of their game is invested in their players' own ability, risk and - to a certain extent - chaos. This is best amplified in the total lack of cohesion between their attack and defence; their front line offers practically no defensive cover once the ball is in their own half, and the numbers with which they break will always leave them open to a counter-attack.

They play such an open game that half the time I genuinely believe that Klopp is attempting to nullify the very concept of tactics for both teams on the pitch, in the hope that his players - in this instance - simply prove to be of a better quality. I don't think this is sustainable, nor will it lead to any longstanding success despite being entertaining in its immediacy
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Honestly if that is what his tactics are then he is a bigger fool than I had imagined. How can he expect other teams to play according to his wishes. No manager will do that.
 

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Yup their problem is definitely creating chances and not the finishing.
Not what he's saying. He's saying criticizing finishing is pointless because it's beyond him. He can't make his players finish their chances instead of missing them
 

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Klopp SLAMS Rafa!:
Klopp said:
“I met him once when he was manager of Liverpool, we beat him 5-0 with Mainz,” Klopp said. “Hopefully he remembers that!"
 

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Not what he's saying. He's saying criticizing finishing is pointless because it's beyond him. He can't make his players finish their chances instead of missing them
Is it though? Who brought those players in? Who buys the players and selects the squads?

Don't even know why he mentions creating. Maybe he's resigned to the fact that they need at least 30 shots for each goal.
 

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They play such an open game that half the time I genuinely believe that Klopp is attempting to nullify the very concept of tactics for both teams on the pitch, in the hope that his players - in this instance - simply prove to be of a better quality. I don't think this is sustainable, nor will it lead to any longstanding success despite being entertaining in its immediacy.
Klopp has been on record in the past stating that he doesn't believe in 'tactics' and that player positions shouldn't be set in stone but rather fluid, which is apt as this Liverpool team is pure piss.
 

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Not what he's saying. He's saying criticizing finishing is pointless because it's beyond him. He can't make his players finish their chances instead of missing them
People were giving Jose stick for us missing countless chances last season about how it's his job to get it sorted. Now that another manager is in a similar situation it's purely down to the players. Okay then.
 
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People were giving Jose stick for us missing countless chances last season about how it's his job to get it sorted. Now that another manager is in a similar situation it's purely down to the players. Okay then.
It is purely down to the players. People giving josé stick for it were just as stupid/clueless as people trying to give stick to Klopp for it. There's no training "finishing", what Klopp can and probably is working on is attacking team-play(creating chances), and confidence(which goes a long way towards improving the players ability to convert their chances), and the former goes a long way towards improving the latter. Liverpool's biggest problem right now is the same as united's last year: a bunch of bad results caused their players to start playing "scared of failing". It's a lot harder to convert a 1vs1 with the keeper when you feel like if you miss it your team's gonna lose the game
 

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It is purely down to the players. People giving josé stick for it were just as stupid/clueless as people trying to give stick to Klopp for it. There's no training "finishing", what Klopp can and probably is working on is attacking team-play(creating chances), and confidence(which goes a long way towards improving the players ability to convert their chances), and the former goes a long way towards improving the latter. Liverpool's biggest problem right now is the same as united's last year: a bunch of bad results caused their players to start playing "scared of failing". It's a lot harder to convert a 1vs1 with the keeper when you feel like if you miss it your team's gonna lose the game
That's simply not true. Why do you think there's no training "finishing"?
 

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That's simply not true. Why do you think there's no training "finishing"?
Because there isn't. Shooting is what you train, and that's different from finishing in an actual game. Finishing is a mental thing as much as a technical one, and there's no way to train that directly. You just can't replicate the same conditions in training
 

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Because there isn't. Shooting is what you train, and that's different from finishing in an actual game. Finishing is a mental thing as much as a technical one, and there's no way to train that directly. You just can't replicate the same conditions in training
I agree with your post directly above for the most part, but surely it's the managers job to get the players mentally prepared in the best way possible so they have composure in those moments? You can't train finishing, but you can manage mentality.
 

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Because there isn't. Shooting is what you train, and that's different from finishing in an actual game. Finishing is a mental thing as much as a technical one, and there's no way to train that directly. You just can't replicate the same conditions in training
But you can hone your technique to such an extent that it becomes second nature. The less you have to think about the actual technique involved in finishing, the more natural it comes to you, the easier it becomes to cope with the mental side of it. Of course you can train and develop finishing skills. Look at Wayne Rooney. Or Dries Mertens.
 

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Because there isn't. Shooting is what you train, and that's different from finishing in an actual game. Finishing is a mental thing as much as a technical one, and there's no way to train that directly. You just can't replicate the same conditions in training
Do you agree that shooting is an important part of finishing? If yes, your other point is invalid. Maybe shooting isn't everything, but if it's a factor in finishing, then you can practice finishing by practicing shooting. Besides, the manager also influences the mentality of his players.
 

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Lamps used to practice finishing and got himself hundreds of goals. You can practice anything, apart from being the victim of an accident.