I don't think that makes it Vettel's fault really. While from Vettel's on-board it seems that Stroll has veered into him, and from Stroll's it shows that he hasn't, watching from Grosjean's car you can see that Stroll takes a much wider line through the corner than both Grosjean and Vettel. It seems to me that both Stroll and Vettel were just caught a little bit unaware of what the other was doing and had a coming together.
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Looking at the footage from Grosjean's car, he (Grosjean) speeds up, relative to Stroll and (maybe) Stroll expects him to come up along his left side. To me it looks like Stroll give Grosjean room to do just that. Vettel would not have seen the fast approaching Grosjean and followed the curve of the corner and BANG!
Glad there was no penalty as I don't think anyone was being particularly stupid. I guess after 2 hours of eye popping speeds and concentration levels, it's understandable that the drivers are a little bit switched off on the cool down lap.
Glad there was no penalty as I don't think anyone was being particularly stupid. I guess after 2 hours of eye popping speeds and concentration levels, it's understandable that the drivers are a little bit switched off on the cool down lap.
The view from Grosjean's car definitely points the blame at Stroll. Some say he didn't turn so it wasn't his fault but he was going around a corner!
Even worse he took the steering wheel
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BAN HIM!!!!
ffs.
Wow. 100% Vettel at fault. Stroll did absolutely nothing wrong and Vettel just veered into him!
Vettel turned with the corner but slightly more left. Stroll kept going straight when he should have been turning
Still going too straight at the turn in this noobs' mind.
"Stroll didn't even move" - yea, that's the problem, it was a corner!!He wasn't going straight. And Vettel, coming from behind, turned into Stroll's path. What is Vettel even doing there? It is nonsense to suggest a driver in front should be ready for another driver to do such a thing and adjust their path accordingly... on a cool down lap.
The original video made it look like he veered right. This clearly shows he didn't steer right.
Well it will look like that won't it? He's not turning left enough into a left-hander, result being his car moves right on the road.
Yet it appears the view from Grosjean camera is a case of a slight optical illusion which exaggerates the impression that Stroll turned right, when in reality it is Grosjean turning left. Why has Strolls footage only been released now?
You don't think it is up to the driver behind to leave a gap rather than dive in? This is becoming a theme with Vettel. He anticipates other drivers' moves (or lack there of in this case)... while not actually racing and causes accidents.
Thats more on Stroll...he just kept going straight while Vettel was turning into the corner...Stroll wasnt paying attention. Vettel assumed Stroll would turn into the corner....bit fault for both but more for Stroll....Stewards were right to not penalize either one.
I dont get how anyone can blame stroll over there. It was a freaking in lap . He didnt suddenly move to the right. Vettel should have taken more of a margin.
. He didnt suddenly move to the right. Vettel should have taken more of a margin.I agree, I can't see how this could be remotely Stroll's fault. Its an in lap, you wouldn't be expecting cars to be looking to overtake. Vettel really should have just held back, no need for him to be alongside the other car in the corner.
just caught the end of FP2 , Total washout , paper boats floating down the pIt lane.
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So far so good for Seb.
I think that's Vettel's fault. He anticipates Stroll to make a sharper left which really wasn't needed considering it was an in lap. What was he doing overtaking at that point anyway.
And yes, I am a little to the analysis.
And yes, I am a little to the analysis.
Looks like the corner was very wide as well. Huge amount of room on the right. Instead... I'm going to dive in on the left.
Yeah, I agree. If he was that intent on overtaking there, he could have easily gone the longer route effortlessly.
So you’re telling us he didn’t take his steering wheel and get a lift back on a car, I must have dreamed that
It’s petty to give them penalties but its the rules, which he broke twice and with this new footage that clearly shows Stroll turning to the left he should get a penalty for causing a totally avoidable collision.
Its the rules ffs.
Fecking hell
Still discussing what happened between Vettel and Stroll? Give it over. Vettel is not gonna win the title in any case.
whataboutism
The guy from Stevenage hided himself again yesterday. He is destroying everyone in the qualifying. I do hate him.
feck man, i want hamilton to finish outside points tomorrow but mercedez looks mighty here. We thought Mercedez tracks are finished for the season ...
Disaster, fecking disaster. 1st and 2nd for Mercedes. I give up.
Toto always complains on friday just to confuse the opponents. Mind games. He is a sneaky cnut.
Seems to confuse people just new to F1 then seasoned opponents.
The big fluctuations in performance are down to the complex interaction between race car, tyres and circuit surface. The Merc is very sensitive and has a narrow window but in lower temps and sweeping corners thrives with its longer wheelbase, whilst the Ferrari is generally a more consistent car that thrives in high temps and on tracks that require good traction.
That was one fast lap. On rails through the esses!
Bottas has a grid penalty. Will be interesting to see what Vettel in 2nd does with Verstappen right behind him in 4th.
I do fear for him now
Why is he? This is the same for any team , why show all their cards in FP ?
I just don't like he complains. Just shut the feck up
Just saw the highlights. That Merc is on rails, be very hard for Vettel to match that tomorrow. Best chance is to jump him at the start.
Great track though, proper drivers circuit
Great track though, proper drivers circuit
Certainly makes a change from the mile long runoffs you get at most tracks nowadays.Just saw the highlights. That Merc is on rails, be very hard for Vettel to match that tomorrow. Best chance is to jump him at the start.
Great track though, proper drivers circuit
Just caught up with qualifying.
WOW Lewis looks very fast, he is going to take some beating and hammered the previous track record by over 1 second.
WOW Lewis looks very fast, he is going to take some beating and hammered the previous track record by over 1 second.
First corner is going to be very interesting!
I predict a dnf due to a failure.