Sweden has a re-offending half that of the UK. It’s one of the safest countries in the World. Compare that to the UK’s prison system, which is expensive, ineffective and generally just appalling.
Robinho sentenced to 9 years for involvement in sexual assault
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@2 Man Midfield just one more thing. Forget to mention it.
Rehabilitation, in reality, has nothing to do with prison imo. It's just a nice word in legislation that is there to present in a more appealing way what's happening when you put someone behind the locked door. It definitely sounds nicer that way.
But, nobody gets out of the prison thinking, wow, I'm a new person... In truth, they just want to get out of there. Facing even bigger punishment if they commit the crime again is what really prevents them from doing it in most cases. Not the fact they're being rehabilitated.
Which is fine for me, can't think of many better ways.
Rehabilitation, in reality, has nothing to do with prison imo. It's just a nice word in legislation that is there to present in a more appealing way what's happening when you put someone behind the locked door. It definitely sounds nicer that way.
But, nobody gets out of the prison thinking, wow, I'm a new person... In truth, they just want to get out of there. Facing even bigger punishment if they commit the crime again is what really prevents them from doing it in most cases. Not the fact they're being rehabilitated.
Which is fine for me, can't think of many better ways.
And worthy of another Around 50% of the reported crimes are solved in the UK, Sweden solves around 14%, swedish police is heavily under-staffed. It's hard to see re-offence numbers if crimes aren't solved.
Aye, that would be a bit of a pisstake. That said, I'd still take that and more money.
Bottomline is Brazil's Constitution forbids the extradition of Brazilian nationals, but any ruling on financial compensation WOULD be enforced as it's a civil rather than penal issue.
Robinho just paying 60K would not be far from what players/managers pay in fines for bringing the game into disrepute and such things.
People who are trying to grade rapes I'd say.
Are you suggesting that 9 years isn't an appropriate sentence for gang rape?
Personally, if proven guilty, I would always go for severe jail punishment. Although, you do have point with extradition, as Robinho in this particular case, will hardly ever see a day of his life in prison.
I think they just report crimes a lot differently, so comparing them doesn't have much value.
What do you feel would be an appropriate punishment ?
I work for a security and intelligence company, which trains in the use of our products and advises security personnel within the EU. I lived in Sweden for a couple of years to help install and advise Swedish police with a new mobile communication system. The police force at the time was crippled by lack of staff. They have one of the EU's lowest crime accomplishment rates. Even serious crimes like battered/sexual assault are put on hold for months before even assigning a single resource. Talking to and befriending police officers during my years there I got to hear and see things I've never encountered before within my line of work. Don't get me wrong they are trained really well and have access to good equipment but heavily under-staffed, it's borderline negligence from the government. 6 out of 7 crimes reported never got a single resource assigned back then and from what I've heard it's getting worse. I have not worked in the UK yet so I don't know how it's there.
Like the Birmingham Six for example?
Not enacting and eye for an eye as a standard for punishment has nothing to do with pacifism. What an odd thing to assert. The idea that you kill people for murder, chop their knob off for rape, lop a hand off for theft etc is just downright primitive and has no place in a modern democracy. Society is meant to be better than the criminals they punish and not fulfil the torture porn fantasies or right wing nutjobs. Violent revenge is not the role of society.
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This thread is a disaster. Rape jokes will be infracted. Chop their knobs off type comments will be given a warning and requested to calm down.
2 close relatives of mine were murdered and someone very close to me was repeatedly raped as a child. I don't want the death sentence applied. It isn't that I couldn't be angry enough to kill them or that they don't "deserve" the harshest punishment but rather that this is exactly why society sets punishments and not a mob of vigilantes.
No.
Executed they would have been executed. Woops.
There are many clear cut cases where the cases are proven beyond any doubt including video evidence. I have already given examples, again not my problem if you don't want to see that.
The Birmingham six confessed. As did Timothy Evans, Stephen Downing, Guilford Four, Maguire seven and the list of unsafe convictions goes on and on and on.
It's depressing that people want the return of mediaeval punishments in 21st-century democratic countries. We are surely so much better than that, folks. It never was the answer and it still isn't.
When I talked about false confessions he stopped replying. Weird that.
Bugger off. Stop wumming and shitposting.
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He’s not wumming or shitposting, a lot of us just don’t think medieval punishments are the way forward, which shouldn’t be that hard to get your head around.
You were talking about completely different cases. I examples I gave was clear cut and I even gave example of Kasab who was caught killing people. Weird how that was ignored. Also examples I gave was one of the biggest case in last few years where even laws were amended.
There are cases where the punishments are given based when proved beyond doubt and then there are cases like Delhi rape case (well there are millions but one will always stand out) and Kasab's case which was proved without any doubt, then there was a case last month where women was raped and it was recorded by some driver. So even in these cases you think there are chances that culprit might get undeserved punishment because of some mistakes?
I have already given examples of cases who deserves capital punishment, not every rape case where there are doubts on various levels.
So he should have tagged/replied to the correct post then. I suggested nothing like most of what he blabbers on about.
He did...
No.
Of course he was he was replying to your point.
In the same way, it's not hard to understand that people from various countries view crimes in a different way because of the frequency of occurrence. Maybe people in UK and most European countries think it's ok to give smaller punishment for murderers and rapists because they happen rarely but when you are in countries like India or some other countries where you read so many news every day about child rape cases or some person getting killed because of his political choice then the mindset of people will be lot different.
People don't give shit as along as the punishment is a joke.
Edit: Before getting misquoted again and again, I'm not saying every rape case should end up with capital punishment, I said when the case is as clear as it can get and I gave examples too or a terrorist getting caught like the one who was involved in Mumbai attacks was caught on scene.
I dunno mate, we have plenty of cases of rape and murder in the UK, and even in countries with the death penalty it hardly puts people off rape and murder, you only have to look at the amount of killings in places like the USA.
I can kinda understand an emotional outburst wanting severe punishment done in revenge when emotions are running high but once you take a step back and look at the whole picture I don’t think the death penalty would be a productive way to go, especially as there’s no real proof it actually acts as a deterrent.
Like I said to you the last time when you stopped responding, the law can't be one thing when you're "really sure" and another when you're just "mostly sure". There are a myriad of examples of people being wrongly convicted of heinous crimes that you'd have happily put to death because you were super dooper sure they did it.
And that's ignoring the moral arguments.
If you think harsh punishments are a deterrent for crimes then you really need to open your eyes.
No, he wasn't. He was, as I mentioned earlier, wumming.
At this point there’s only one person shitposting.
Plenty more too. Many men and women also confessed to crimes they didn't commit during the troubles in Northern Ireland. Under coercion, people will say "I'm guilty" to stop the interrogation most times.
Your argument was about human rights when I said they are shit when they support terrorists. Not sure why you keep on talking about false confession when I gave example of Kasab who was caught when he was killing people in Mumbai attacks. That was when other guy argued that even when terrorists are caught they shouldn't be killed, they should be killed only in open fire but not when in captivity.
So again, why should a person like Kasab who was caught killing 100s of people and police shouldn't be executed? (well he was executed which was for the best).
Much better than piss taking fines and 2-3 years prison time.
Again, I gave examples of cases I was talking about. Do you guys even read or know about Kasab or am I just using that name again and again without any use? Serious question because I just can't believe how anyone can argue against his death penalty. Same with the other rape case I gave example, BBC did a documentary (India's daughter) where they have interview of the rapist. Just check his interview and tell me society is safer with people like them.
Also read the whole part
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31698154
Not sure how anyone can believe these guys can be rehabilitated and can be sent back to society believing they won't do the same crime again.
Thankfully in both cases criminals got capital punishment.
And I'm done with the topic. I knew I shouldn't have posted anything on this and I said the same thing in my very first post. People view crimes differently, simple as that.
Some of you fecking idiots in this thread talking about drowning people in lava, cutting their dicks off and the death penalty are just as bad, if not worse than those who talk about lesser sentencing. As stupid as their suggestion might be, it's at least based in some kind of modern way of thinking. Some of you guys need to stop watching Game of Thrones and The Punisher. This is 2017, not the year 1017. How people like you still exist in this day and age is shocking, if you had half a brain you'd be dangerous. I doubt you even considered anything like false accusations or the wrong person being apprehended before posting that but hey ho, it's more important that you make a big public show of how morally outraged you are I guess. The amount of people I've seen be saved from death row when it turned out they were completely innocent is ridiculous.
You seem to have difficulty reading and understanding simple statements. I'm done banging my head against this particular wall, there's clearly no point talking to you.
Do you think capital punishment is working as a deterrent against these crimes in India?
That's nice but what about the question I asked?