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The support on this forum for this club is a disgrace
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Redcafe was always a bit extreme. I remembered being viciously attacked for months mainly because I stated the obvious (ie we need to think of start getting rid of the deadwood, we need to start thinking of replacing the old guard, its ridiculous to have someone who stayed with United for 8 years despite doing feck nothing for years, its not a good idea to replace solid people with SAF's mates and family members etc). But hey, as long as trophies kept flowing in, who cared? Now we're going to the other extreme ie being impatient and moaning simply because we're not winning trebles yet.
Fans will always be fans ie biased, impatient and prone to drama. As long as we keep it civil (and thank god we've got the best mods ever) then so what!
Fans will always be fans ie biased, impatient and prone to drama. As long as we keep it civil (and thank god we've got the best mods ever) then so what!
Oh absolutely. It's full of those bitter little people who have to tell others "I told you so" and "you're supporting us wrong" all the time. It's unpleasant.
Full of hypocrites. But honestly we all are, so shouldn't complain about people complaining.
First rule of the caf: avoid the match day thread.
Players have been deemed shit before they have kicked a ball for us. We even have drama queens praying to god we don't sign top young players like Savic. What the feck is that about?
Match day threads have been maelstroms of shite for as long as I can remember. They're always best ignored. You'll get nothing of use from them and guaranteed high blood pressure. The timing of this thread is interesting, though. I've been urging patience with the manager throughout our recent blip but I felt very close to running out of it altogether for the first 38 minutes of yesterday's game. Thank feck we turned things round but that's the closest I've come since during Mourinho's tenure to switching teams and joining the frothing at the mouth brigade.
I didnt agree with wanting us to lose under LVG for the "greater good" and I dont agree with it now. But I dont think it should be a bannable offence to make that argument, unless the real reason is something different, like the poster is being aggressive or offensive or is failing to make any kind of an intelligent case for it. I like that this place has a whole range of different opinions, and by definition I wont always agree with all of them. If we end up with people being banned for not conforming to the generally perceived "acceptable" opinion, about who our manager should be, about what our style of football should be or how a supporter should behave, this place will lose a lot of its appeal very quickly.
Having said all that I rarely go into matchday threads. People who go in there are perfectly entitled to vent but there is nothing interesting or insightful in there as far as I can see.
The losing being a greater good thing only happened under Van Gaal in league games when CL qualification was off the table. Very different scenario to wanting us to lose matches when we're second in the league and deep into two knock-out competitions.
The whole football forum has gone the way of the match day thread plenty of times of in the last few years, obviously, after bad results.
I don't participate in the match day thread and I can't really post when I'm watching a match, but at least in there it's reactionary and real time frustration. We all groaned and probably shouted at Lukaku when he mis-controlled the ball right before his goal. Some people just feel the need to type their frustration, maybe because they're watching the game alone and enjoy the discussion.
When people have time to cool down but still start ridiculous threads saying X player is shit and We'll never win the league with Y player after a defeat, that's worse than posts in real time in teh Match Day forum, I feel.
I don't participate in the match day thread and I can't really post when I'm watching a match, but at least in there it's reactionary and real time frustration. We all groaned and probably shouted at Lukaku when he mis-controlled the ball right before his goal. Some people just feel the need to type their frustration, maybe because they're watching the game alone and enjoy the discussion.
When people have time to cool down but still start ridiculous threads saying X player is shit and We'll never win the league with Y player after a defeat, that's worse than posts in real time in teh Match Day forum, I feel.
I maybe wrong here, but we were in CL race till the 37th game week.
Why do people go in the matchday thread when we're playing badly then moan about all the people in there getting annoyed at us playing badly?
When you watch the game on TV or at the stadium do you sit there forming constructive reasonable opinions as an instant reaction to everything that happens, rather than being emotionally invested in the game?
When you watch the game on TV or at the stadium do you sit there forming constructive reasonable opinions as an instant reaction to everything that happens, rather than being emotionally invested in the game?
Technically we were in the race until the last second, if City don't get a point we are in CL but we did lose the driving seat when we lost against West Ham.
It is a different scenario but this is a question of principle, I think. As I said above you, I disagree with it - but if you can defend one you can defend the other. OK we are doing better this season than under LVG - 2nd in the league, still in the CL etc etc - but if you are at your wit's end with the football and want to see us play a completely different style, or if you cannot stand Mourinho's treatment of Shaw, or whatever it is, you can still make the "greater good" case, with the justification being performances instead of results.
I think it’s entirely normal for someone invested in a game to come out with stuff like “What the feck is McTominay doing there? Why did he stop tracking Willian? That’s shocking defending”
What makes the match-day thread so “special” is that the exact same incident would prompt variants of “McTominay is a really shit footballer” “He wouldn’t get in a Championship team” “Players like him are the reason we’ve so shit now” “I actually hate him” etc etc
People manage to use instantaneous outrage on a single incident to make sweeping judgements about the bigger picture. Which is the sort of shit I’m constantly correcting my 8 year old son over. But - in his defence- he is 8.
I think the first point is fair, it is what it is. It's only when it spills into every thread i have an issue.
Still if i constantly shout at OT about how much of a donkey Lukaku is, how I'm bored, we're shit and the manager needs to go...well i'd get abuse back from fans around me. No different here, it's annoying and grating.
Starting to see the sense in this, especially when we have a dip in form. Yesterday there were callings for Mourinho's head after 10 minutes and a poster hoping that we got beat 5-0 in the next three games so he gets sacked. That was enough for me.
Yeah. City played 37 games with 65 points, Manutd played 36 games and had 63 games. Had we won, we would have been infront of City with just 1 game to go which was home to Bournemouth.
We went 2-1 up and fecked it up from there.
It's just reactionary nonsense though. The same stuff you hear spouted in pubs or in the stands during a game. People have pre-conceived ideas and during the game when they are frustrated, that's what comes out...and lets face it, we were absolutely shite in the first half yesterday. It was up there with some of the worst stuff we produced under Moyes or LVG.
To be honest I'm the same. I don't often post in the matchday thread, partly because I know the shite I'd come out with, and partly because I don't really understand why I would post on a forum while the game is going on, but for example, during the Seville game, Lindelof was annoying me a lot...I was noticing him out of position, doing stupid things, moaning about how he isn't good enough, looks like he should be working on a farm, etc...on reflection he actually wasn't that bad. I wouldn't pay much mind to the nonsense people come out with during a game as it's mostly meaningless frustration.
Part of the problem with this place though in general is people write their meaningless spur of the moment drivel down, and then because it's there in writing it formulates into an opinion they feel the need to defend at all costs, and in the face of no matter how much evidence that they probably shouldn't.
Lukaku for example will have to get 60 goals a season before some people here will back track from their initial pre-conceived assessment of him being a donkey, and even then, they wouldn't admit they're wrong, they'd just stop posting about him.
Yeah it is annoying when it spills into the main forum...but even then it's kind of the same. If we won our next few games whilst playing well for example, suddenly Jose would be a genius and all of our players the best around in their position, etc.
You do hear some strange stuff at games too. I used to get quite irritated by the "fecking MOVE Carrick!" man who sat behind me. He'd shout this literally 20 times a game. The guy next to him would regularly inform me what a waste of space Nani was. Then suddenly we'd score and they'd spend the rest of the game singing about hating scousers and saying "f*cking brilliant" over and over.
I understand OP's point, I mean ive not gone to extreme's like hoping we lose but i have debated on this forum about the merits or lack thereof of keeping Mourinho around. However, i'm not quite sure what the issue is when everyone was complaining about Moyes and LVG for the longest and wanting them gone, suddenly under Mourinho though that's a problem, it's like the man should be immume from criticism on here simply from name alone, i really don't understand the **** of Mourinho.
I spent most of the first half yesterday in the East Stand moaning how crap the seats were, how Smaling is a "fecking idiot" and how Lukaku was "absolutely feckin' awful" ... in the end my wife had to tell me to stop moaning so much.
In hindsight they're all harsh/a bit daft... but hey, I was annoyed... and the seats were really crap.
Second rule: Never take the match day thread seriously.
I'm still amazed that the OP who is a long time member of the caf, who knew exactly what the match day threads are all about, still found a way to moan about it. It's simple, if you don't like something that you can avoid, just simply avoid it.
Hate to say it, but as the Caf has weakened it's newbie system it's gone downhill in general. It's no surprise that the matchday thread, which has long been open to a wider membership, has been the worst offender.
Who in their right mind loved LvG here?
The feck!? Different scenario or not its same bullshit, you have United fan/s wanting/wishing United team (their own team) to lose games in belief that somehow will force or speed up a sack of a manager at that time.
As for bolded part, nice try but straight made up nonsense. Things went crazy during bad December results, culminating in end of month home game vs Chelsea when home crowd was buying JM scarfs, while LvG was still our manager, talking about support.
During same period nothing was better on here on forum, so no, "greater good" bullshit didnt happen when CL qualification was off the table and had nothing to do with it.
Phase two: Now those who have any issue with JM management are going to be marked as some pre JM haters and LvG lovers. Its like political moves fighting for a election win.
Huh we missed out on goal difference on top 4 and um the hoping he lost went back as far as December as people wanted Jose in for the January transfer market. It is a very different scenario, a different scenario from the one you just portrayed.
All being said people hoping we lose so someone gets sacked is too far. I’m not a Jose fan by any means, I don’t think he is doing a good job but would never even contemplate wanting us to lose games.
It's understandable when people get emotional during a match and start moaning, cursing, yelling. It's pretty normal. They don't want the club to lose, They don't want the players to perform like headless chickens, They hate the thought of going home empty handed.
What I don't understand is, the people who log on here just to spout overly pessimistic views to the point that it's almost delusional and They do it almost every fecking time in most United threads They're in. They also refuse to discuss or see another's people view, their world is full of doom and gloom whenever RedCafe.net is on their browser's address bar. For them Manchester United is the worst thing ever since a smashed Pinata in a party full of kids who are allergic to candies and those who don't agree with them are either "top reds on their high horses" or "blind". They're doing their own fecking head in. That, I don't understand.
And have I mentioned something about wanting the club They actually "support" or "follow" to lose at the beginning of matches? ridiculous.
And yes, They do reduce the quality of the forum. A bit of negativity, criticism or skepticism are good, They make discussions even more interesting but not the constant "We're doomed", "I hate everything about this club", "I'm totally against anything that the club do" type of things. It's not you sharing your views, it's you being a grade A bellend. Why do you even bother supporting or following the club then? just go away.
What I don't understand is, the people who log on here just to spout overly pessimistic views to the point that it's almost delusional and They do it almost every fecking time in most United threads They're in. They also refuse to discuss or see another's people view, their world is full of doom and gloom whenever RedCafe.net is on their browser's address bar. For them Manchester United is the worst thing ever since a smashed Pinata in a party full of kids who are allergic to candies and those who don't agree with them are either "top reds on their high horses" or "blind". They're doing their own fecking head in. That, I don't understand.
And have I mentioned something about wanting the club They actually "support" or "follow" to lose at the beginning of matches? ridiculous.
And yes, They do reduce the quality of the forum. A bit of negativity, criticism or skepticism are good, They make discussions even more interesting but not the constant "We're doomed", "I hate everything about this club", "I'm totally against anything that the club do" type of things. It's not you sharing your views, it's you being a grade A bellend. Why do you even bother supporting or following the club then? just go away.
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All I see here is posters proving the OPs point. "Oh so you don't want any criticism and want everyone to follow your Mourinho ****, huh?". As if being a blind follower and taking every opportunity to abuse the players and the manager are the only two options. Some of the stuff posted in the matchday threads goes way beyond "posted in the heat of the moment".
It's still a forum and as long as forum rules aren't transgressed I don't see anything wrong in the posts:knees jerk,hysterical,delusional,agenda driven. Whatever you like to call it.
Do some take it too seriously? Hell yeah. However, it's no reason to call them a disgrace. Try going to a match once in while and you'll find a lot worse. I once had a heated argument with a fan who wanted SAF sacked after we lost to Derby County. He thought we were mediocre and wanted Martin O'Neill in charge.
We won the league that year.
Point is, the matchday forum is entertaining,nuts,hilarious,infuriating and often informative( the GIFs are good) all in the space of 90mins. Long may it continue
Nonsense. Every game under Fergie was perfectly coached and full of entertainment.
Yeah thats the most pathetic part of all this.
There really are some delicate little flowers on here that just can't bear to read anything negative. I think there are definitely some who would be delighted if this place was like RAWK and everyone had to be only positive all the time or get banned.
On the rare occasion i look in the match day threads they've been a mess for as long as i can remember going back years. Not sure why anyone goes in there in general while theres a match on never mind if they don't like reading all the shite spouted in them.
Loads of people sadly, the philosophy was idealised over and anyone who didn't get it was a fool. There was a minority who were vocal supporters to pretty much the end.
I very much doubt these people changed their mind on the philosophy, they just now think Pep has perfected it and admire city whilst hating united as we stand.
Also I'm clearly not saying all those who are overly criticial loved lvg as the other poster above has insutated. Ludicrous thing to say
Footballing wise he was pure balls, but he was lovable for other reasons
- "Mike" Smalling
- The drunk speech
- The touchline dive
- "Play horny"
- His face after Hernández's penalty miss
- The Fellaini sex masochism incident
Agreed
The vast majority of United fans in general simply don’t understand what football is like for the vast majority of other people. They may as well follow a completely different sport with regards to what they get and expect from it.
I like to think my excursions to watch England fail miserably at every turn give me some idea, but then I see the people I go with, who invariably support teams like Luton, or Ipswich or QRP, and I realise England is their glory hunting. Watching fecking England is their escapism! Which isn’t to say we should just shut and be happy at all times, but I think it does pretty categorically make you a worse fan if you’re hoping we lose big matches against our rivals, from the comfort of your armchair, because you can’t stomach a bit of unattractive practical football now and then. Because that isn’t fandom of any kind.
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I may be wrong but I don't remember people under LVG hoping we would lose just to speed up his sacking. I mean I absolutely hated everything about him and I never did this. What did happen under him is we'd draw or even win games in a way that was so frustratingly shite, the mood wouldn't be much better than if we'd lost anyway...and on a weekly basis, after games thinking I remember thinking "surely that performance has to be the last straw"
At the moment you can come on here at any random time and there'll be 5+ threads on the first page just making up petty shite to criticise Mourinho with. I mean I'm a critic, I think we should be playing a lot better by this point, but I come on here and end up spending most of my time basically just reading complete and utter nonsense that it's impossible to not disagree with.
I've not seen anyone call anyone else this either, and again certainly don't think it about anyone. With the exception of that one poster in the 3-5-2 thread who refers to himself and LVG as "we"
After the game I read the match day thread, it was embarrassing! Even Matic was getting abuse! I wonder how these so called supporters can watch a game as well as chat on a forum during the game. It baffles me.
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I felt exactly the same way, I dare say we were not alone in feeling this way.
It was specifically around the FA Cup Final I think. There was at least some debate around the idea that winning the FA Cup could save his job. Some people wanted us to lose that game to ensure he left.
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