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What would you classify yourself under and why.Vast majority of people on here don't know what support means.
They're consumers, not fans.
What would you classify yourself under and why.Vast majority of people on here don't know what support means.
They're consumers, not fans.
Oh absolutely. It's full of those bitter little people who have to tell others "I told you so" and "you're supporting us wrong" all the time. It's unpleasant.This thread is best to avoid?
Players have been deemed shit before they have kicked a ball for us. We even have drama queens praying to god we don't sign top young players like Savic. What the feck is that about?It's always good to have good arguments and criticism about players weakness or some analysis on our tactical set ups, draw backs and all that. Reading "player is shit" "waste of space" all that which adds nothing to discussion is just eye sore. At least add something why you think he is shit.
Also people with agenda who just can't wait to bump the player threads when the said players makes a tiniest of mistakes like mispassing or missing header or tackle is a joke.
I didnt agree with wanting us to lose under LVG for the "greater good" and I dont agree with it now. But I dont think it should be a bannable offence to make that argument, unless the real reason is something different, like the poster is being aggressive or offensive or is failing to make any kind of an intelligent case for it. I like that this place has a whole range of different opinions, and by definition I wont always agree with all of them. If we end up with people being banned for not conforming to the generally perceived "acceptable" opinion, about who our manager should be, about what our style of football should be or how a supporter should behave, this place will lose a lot of its appeal very quickly.Getting weird vibe about this whole thing. Seems there is a push for a purge of those who have issues with certain non made up things when it comes to current management. It cant be handled and there for its being masked as being non supportive. All those issues have little to do with one another.
Uproar about someone wishing us to lose, where have you been on half of 2nd season under LvG? It was defended by term "greater good", guess it was ok for people to wish us lose games back then, because you know it was LvG. Talking about support, didnt OT crowd buy JM scarfs before home game vs Chelsea (i think, or some other home game) while LvG was still in charge, the feck was that?
My opinion about that guy wishing us to lose 5:0 or w/e it was is the same as opinion about the guy who was/is integral part of United Hour podcast (already had a discussion with him about that), dunno is he still part of it or not but regardless, United Hour never lost a support of this forum, there was no uproars about it either.
Just dont understand in some cases whats the issue. We score, you are happy that we scored, we win, you come out and say how its good 3 pts regardless of performance, we cant string 3 passes together, you write that down and then you being marked for it, even its there for everybody to see, its not made up shit. Friction occurs when for example, you say how we look really bad in some departments of the game and then true "supporters" come at you with nonsense like "We are 2nd" "We are still in FA,CL competition", i mean what league table position has to do with issue mentioned. Still remember when we drew 0:0 on Anfield, i said how it was Sunday league coward mode mentality, not parking bus or being defensive, didnt have issue with that. Suddenly you see people having a go with "Cant believe people think 0:0 at Anfield is a bad result" etc.
I maybe wrong here, but we were in CL race till the 37th game week.The losing being a greater good thing only happened under Van Gaal in league games when CL qualification was off the table. Very different scenario to wanting us to lose matches when we're second in the league and deep into two knock-out competitions.
Technically we were in the race until the last second, if City don't get a point we are in CL but we did lose the driving seat when we lost against West Ham.I maybe wrong here, but we were in CL race till the 37th game week.
It is a different scenario but this is a question of principle, I think. As I said above you, I disagree with it - but if you can defend one you can defend the other. OK we are doing better this season than under LVG - 2nd in the league, still in the CL etc etc - but if you are at your wit's end with the football and want to see us play a completely different style, or if you cannot stand Mourinho's treatment of Shaw, or whatever it is, you can still make the "greater good" case, with the justification being performances instead of results.The losing being a greater good thing only happened under Van Gaal in league games when CL qualification was off the table. Very different scenario to wanting us to lose matches when we're second in the league and deep into two knock-out competitions.
I think it’s entirely normal for someone invested in a game to come out with stuff like “What the feck is McTominay doing there? Why did he stop tracking Willian? That’s shocking defending”Why do people go in the matchday thread when we're playing badly then moan about all the people in there getting annoyed at us playing badly?
When you watch the game on TV or at the stadium do you sit there forming constructive reasonable opinions as an instant reaction to everything that happens, rather than being emotionally invested in the game?
I think the first point is fair, it is what it is. It's only when it spills into every thread i have an issue.Why do people go in the matchday thread when we're playing badly then moan about all the people in there getting annoyed at us playing badly?
When you watch the game on TV or at the stadium do you sit there forming constructive reasonable opinions as an instant reaction to everything that happens, rather than being emotionally invested in the game?
Starting to see the sense in this, especially when we have a dip in form. Yesterday there were callings for Mourinho's head after 10 minutes and a poster hoping that we got beat 5-0 in the next three games so he gets sacked. That was enough for me.First rule of the caf: avoid the match day thread.
Yeah. City played 37 games with 65 points, Manutd played 36 games and had 63 games. Had we won, we would have been infront of City with just 1 game to go which was home to Bournemouth.Technically we were in the race until the last second, if City don't get a point we are in CL but we did lose the driving seat when we lost against West Ham.
It's just reactionary nonsense though. The same stuff you hear spouted in pubs or in the stands during a game. People have pre-conceived ideas and during the game when they are frustrated, that's what comes out...and lets face it, we were absolutely shite in the first half yesterday. It was up there with some of the worst stuff we produced under Moyes or LVG.I think it’s entirely normal for someone invested in a game to come out with stuff like “What the feck is McTominay doing there? Why did he stop tracking Willian? That’s shocking defending”
What makes the match-day thread so “special” is that the exact same incident would prompt variants of “McTominay is a really shit footballer” “He wouldn’t get in a Championship team” “Players like him are the reason we’ve so shit now” “I actually hate him” etc etc
People manage to use instantaneous outrage on a single incident to make sweeping judgements about the bigger picture. Which is the sort of shit I’m constantly correcting my 8 year old son over. But - in his defence- he is 8.
Yeah it is annoying when it spills into the main forum...but even then it's kind of the same. If we won our next few games whilst playing well for example, suddenly Jose would be a genius and all of our players the best around in their position, etc.I think the first point is fair, it is what it is. It's only when it spills into every thread i have an issue.
Still if i constantly shout at OT about how much of a donkey Lukaku is, how I'm bored, we're shit and the manager needs to go...well i'd get abuse back from fans around me. No different here, it's annoying and grating.
I spent most of the first half yesterday in the East Stand moaning how crap the seats were, how Smaling is a "fecking idiot" and how Lukaku was "absolutely feckin' awful" ... in the end my wife had to tell me to stop moaning so much.It's just reactionary nonsense though. The same stuff you hear spouted in pubs or in the stands during a game. People have pre-conceived ideas and during the game when they are frustrated, that's what comes out...and lets face it, we were absolutely shite in the first half yesterday. It was up there with some of the worst stuff we produced under Moyes or LVG.
To be honest I'm the same. I don't often post in the matchday thread, partly because I know the shite I'd come out with, and partly because I don't really understand why I would post on a forum while the game is going on, but for example, during the Seville game, Lindelof was annoying me a lot...I was noticing him out of position, doing stupid things, moaning about how he isn't good enough, looks like he should be working on a farm, etc...on reflection he actually wasn't that bad. I wouldn't pay much mind to the nonsense people come out with during a game as it's mostly meaningless frustration.
Part of the problem with this place though in general is people write their meaningless spur of the moment drivel down, and then because it's there in writing it formulates into an opinion they feel the need to defend at all costs, and in the face of no matter how much evidence that they probably shouldn't.
Lukaku for example will have to get 60 goals a season before some people here will back track from their initial pre-conceived assessment of him being a donkey, and even then, they wouldn't admit they're wrong, they'd just stop posting about him.
Second rule: Never take the match day thread seriously.First rule of the caf: avoid the match day thread.
Hate to say it, but as the Caf has weakened it's newbie system it's gone downhill in general. It's no surprise that the matchday thread, which has long been open to a wider membership, has been the worst offender.Some of the comments in the match day thread and the general attitude by people on this forum is staggering.
That match day thread today was an utter disgrace.
Who in their right mind loved LvG here?Nah its worse now than ever, its those who hated Jose previously and loved LvG a little too much i think.
It's really quite sour
The feck!? Different scenario or not its same bullshit, you have United fan/s wanting/wishing United team (their own team) to lose games in belief that somehow will force or speed up a sack of a manager at that time.The losing being a greater good thing only happened under Van Gaal in league games when CL qualification was off the table. Very different scenario to wanting us to lose matches when we're second in the league and deep into two knock-out competitions.
Phase two: Now those who have any issue with JM management are going to be marked as some pre JM haters and LvG lovers. Its like political moves fighting for a election win.Who in their right mind loved LvG here?
Huh we missed out on goal difference on top 4 and um the hoping he lost went back as far as December as people wanted Jose in for the January transfer market. It is a very different scenario, a different scenario from the one you just portrayed.The losing being a greater good thing only happened under Van Gaal in league games when CL qualification was off the table. Very different scenario to wanting us to lose matches when we're second in the league and deep into two knock-out competitions.
It's still a forum and as long as forum rules aren't transgressed I don't see anything wrong in the posts:knees jerk,hysterical,delusional,agenda driven. Whatever you like to call it.All I see here is posters proving the OPs point. "Oh so you don't want any criticism and want everyone to follow your Mourinho ****, huh?". As if being a blind follower and taking every opportunity to abuse the players and the manager are the only two options. Some of the stuff posted in the matchday threads goes way beyond "posted in the heat of the moment".
Nonsense. Every game under Fergie was perfectly coached and full of entertainment.Match day threads have been maelstroms of shite for as long as I can remember. They're always best ignored. You'll get nothing of use from them and guaranteed high blood pressure. The timing of this thread is interesting, though. I've been urging patience with the manager throughout our recent blip but I felt very close to running out of it altogether for the first 38 minutes of yesterday's game. Thank feck we turned things round but that's the closest I've come since during Mourinho's tenure to switching teams and joining the frothing at the mouth brigade.
Yeah thats the most pathetic part of all this.People calling for posters who are critical of certain aspects or raise concerns to be banned, isn't that what we used to laugh at RAWK for? The Caf is amongst if not the best supporters forum for a variety of reasons, one being that people have always been encouraged to post their views without censorship just because it may not toe the party line. It attracts supporters from many clubs as a result because people enjoy the level of discussion. It'd be quite shit if anything critical or negative resulted in bans. Basically RAWK MK2, a forum avoided by most Pool fans themselves.
Loads of people sadly, the philosophy was idealised over and anyone who didn't get it was a fool. There was a minority who were vocal supporters to pretty much the end.Who in their right mind loved LvG here?
Footballing wise he was pure balls, but he was lovable for other reasonsLoads of people sadly, the philosophy was idealised over and anyone who didn't get it was a fool. There was a minority who were vocal supporters to pretty much the end.
I very much doubt these people changed their mind on the philosophy, they just now think Pep has perfected it and admire city whilst hating united as we stand.
Also I'm clearly not saying all those who are overly criticial loved lvg as the other poster above has insutated. Ludicrous thing to say
AgreedVast majority of people on here don't know what support means.
They're consumers, not fans.
The vast majority of United fans in general simply don’t understand what football is like for the vast majority of other people. They may as well follow a completely different sport with regards to what they get and expect from it.Vast majority of people on here don't know what support means.
They're consumers, not fans.
I may be wrong but I don't remember people under LVG hoping we would lose just to speed up his sacking. I mean I absolutely hated everything about him and I never did this. What did happen under him is we'd draw or even win games in a way that was so frustratingly shite, the mood wouldn't be much better than if we'd lost anyway...and on a weekly basis, after games thinking I remember thinking "surely that performance has to be the last straw"The feck!? Different scenario or not its same bullshit, you have United fan/s wanting/wishing United team (their own team) to lose games in belief that somehow will force or speed up a sack of a manager at that time.
As for bolded part, nice try but straight made up nonsense. Things went crazy during bad December results, culminating in end of month home game vs Chelsea when home crowd was buying JM scarfs, while LvG was still our manager, talking about support.
During same period nothing was better on here on forum, so no, "greater good" bullshit didnt happen when CL qualification was off the table and had nothing to do with it.
I've not seen anyone call anyone else this either, and again certainly don't think it about anyone. With the exception of that one poster in the 3-5-2 thread who refers to himself and LVG as "we"Phase two: Now those who have any issue with JM management are going to be marked as some pre JM haters and LvG lovers. Its like political moves fighting for a election win.
I felt exactly the same way, I dare say we were not alone in feeling this way.Match day threads have been maelstroms of shite for as long as I can remember. They're always best ignored. You'll get nothing of use from them and guaranteed high blood pressure. The timing of this thread is interesting, though. I've been urging patience with the manager throughout our recent blip but I felt very close to running out of it altogether for the first 38 minutes of yesterday's game. Thank feck we turned things round but that's the closest I've come since during Mourinho's tenure to switching teams and joining the frothing at the mouth brigade.
It was specifically around the FA Cup Final I think. There was at least some debate around the idea that winning the FA Cup could save his job. Some people wanted us to lose that game to ensure he left.I may be wrong but I don't remember people under LVG hoping we would lose just to speed up his sacking.