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What? Some of you just make some utterly ridiculous comments.Young was in no way shape or form better when he came on, so why wasn’t he substituted as well?
What? Some of you just make some utterly ridiculous comments.Young was in no way shape or form better when he came on, so why wasn’t he substituted as well?
Young put in a good ball for the second which I really doubt Shaw would haveTerrible terrible man management by Mourinho again. Substituting Shaw at half time did nothing but humiliate the lad.
Young was in no way shape or form better when he came on, so why wasn’t he substituted as well?
Fixed.Young was in every way shape and form better when he came on and even got himself an assist
It did assisted our second goal..Terrible terrible man management by Mourinho again. Substituting Shaw at half time did nothing but humiliate the lad.
Young was in no way shape or form better when he came on, so why wasn’t he substituted as well?
Shaw did not deserve to be hauled off at half time. Ashley Young was no better when he came on. The only ridiculous thing is what your hero Mourinho did to the lad to humiliate him.What? Some of you just make some utterly ridiculous comments.
And for all we know Shaw may have offered even more in the second half. Maybe he would have got an assist or two himself?It did assisted our second goal..
Shaw was going through the motions.Shaw did not deserve to be hauled off at half time. Ashley Young was no better when he came on. The only ridiculous thing is what your hero Mourinho did to the lad to humiliate him.
Maybe you should read what Mourinho said about both fullbacks after the game.And for all we know Shaw may have offered even more in the second half. Maybe he would have got an assist or two himself?
Valencia was equally poor, so why wasn’t he substituted at half time too?
You're basing your whole argument on Shaw "may" have offered more than Young assisting the second goal ?And for all we know Shaw may have offered even more in the second half. Maybe he would have got an assist or two himself?
Valencia was equally poor, so why wasn’t he substituted at half time too?
The funny thing is, Pep is so demanding that there's no chance he would've given Shaw this many chances, no chance at all.You're basing your whole argument on Shaw "may" have offered more than Young assisting the second goal ?
Young is deservedly the undisputed first choice left back at the moment. But the treatment of Shaw yesterday was completely unnecessary.Shaw was going through the motions.
Look, I desperately wanted Shaw to succeed here and have defended him time and time again, arguing often that he might just need 3 years after breaking his leg literally in half.
That said, the evidence is right there for all to see, he looks completely uninterested. Young looked miles better, and I can't stand seeing Ashley bloody Young as Manchester United's left back.
Shaw would have been out of the club by now if Pep had got the job last year. No chance Pep would have entered the season with this list of fullbacks.The funny thing is, Pep is so demanding that there's no chance he would've given Shaw this many chances, no chance at all.
Valencia yes, very dependable but Shaw no!Shaw would have been out of the club by now if Pep had got the job last year. No chance Pep would have entered the season with this list of fullbacks.
Valencia is dependable, but his lack of buildup from the back would have irritated Pep IMO. He hoofs a lot and to no target quite few times each game.Valencia yes, very dependable but Shaw no!
That's bollocks, he wasn't feeling his way back...he was completely out played by the Brighton right on more than one occasion. They pinpointed that and we were luckyYoung is deservedly the undisputed first choice left back at the moment. But the treatment of Shaw yesterday was completely unnecessary.
The lad hasn’t played for weeks and was feeling his way back into the game. He didn’t deserve that treatment at all.
Was thinking about how good he is as a defenderValencia is dependable, but his lack of buildup from the back would have irritated Pep IMO. He hoofs a lot and to no target quite few times each game.
Anyway better to concentrate on Shaw in this thread.
Exactly.See you later. Some of us would love to have had his ability and the opportunity to showcase it at Utd but like other players, weak mentality and a piss poor attitude. Yep Jose threw him under the bus but what's he done to not derserve it?
I’m not basing my argument on anything. My point was that Young was very average (outside of the assist) and no better than Shaw.You're basing your whole argument on Shaw "may" have offered more than Young assisting the second goal ?
Young wasn't great but he assisted our second goal, something Shaw wouldn't have made and I'm pretty sure of that. Here's the brutal fact: Shaw had only 3 assists in premier league since he emerged on the scene. He has never been a good crosses or creator. He's more of a dribbler.I’m not basing my argument on anything. My point was that Young was very average (outside of the assist) and no better than Shaw.
I don’t know if you’ve ever played football for a team, but if you have then you will know that it takes time to re-adjust to the team after not playing for weeks. Shaw looked to be finding his feet in that first half after being out of the side for so long and I expected him to play a key role in offering balance on the left in the second half.
Shaw was not Patrice Evra on his debut bad, or anything like that. He didn’t deserve to be humiliated like that. His performance (albeit tepid) did not justify being hauled off.
His career here is finished under a Mourinho, so there is no point in even discussing him. He’ll be kicked out of the club as soon as the transfer window opens.
Young completed more dribbles, was dispossessed less, had more touches and a slightly higher success rate.I’m not basing my argument on anything. My point was that Young was very average (outside of the assist) and no better than Shaw.
To prove your point, the one time he put in extra effort to get fit in the Summer of 2015 he started the season brilliantly and looked like the left back we all hoped he'd be. The horror injury ended his season, and he's never got close to that level of fitness since or that level of performance.Yet 99.9% of PL footballers are lean and in shape. Aesthetics aside, you can see he isn’t fit by his efforts on the pitch. Constantly arriving late on the scene, at both ends of the pitch. Full-backs arguably need to be the fittest player on the team. A description that will not have been used once about Shaw in his United career.
So, if a player is playing badly, you think our manager should just keep quiet and keep playing him, because we don't want to hurt the player's feelings?Shaw did not deserve to be hauled off at half time. Ashley Young was no better when he came on. The only ridiculous thing is what your hero Mourinho did to the lad to humiliate him.
His faith in youngsters is all lip service.Just few weeks back when Young was suspended, he was forced to give Shaw game time and he did well. So much so that Jose himself praised him and said he'd get a new contract. What happened as soon as Young served his suspension? Shaw was dropped right off the bat.
You're the exact same but in slating him though, if you look back through this thread you'll find at least one post by you on every page slating him.I absolutely love how people come up with some mind boggling ridiculous shit in this thread to defend him. He's out of shape because he doesn't play, he doesn't have a single assist this season yet he's better attacking fullback than Young.
I'm not making up shit to defend him though, that's the difference.You're the exact same but in slating him though, if you look back through this thread you'll find at least one post by you on every page slating him.
That's incredibly subjective, you're posting the same sort of bs you're criticising others for. E.g. saying he has no assists vs Young, that's deliberately overlooking 1) He's played in about 6-8 full games all season and 2) That he brings other things to the attack that Young doesn't (e.g. the ability to drive to the byline / provide width, and not be another player that needs to cut in. E.g. Lukaku's goal yesterday - he drove to the byline, taking the defender away, which gave Matic a lot of space). You can say people make up stuff to defend him, but you're the other extreme in that you can do nothing but criticise him.I'm not making up shit to defend him though, that's the difference.
It's a well known fact he has not made 1 goal at United, not 1 in 3 seasons so two in 45 mins is a bit optimistic to say the least. He has had plenty of chances and done nothing of note-perhaps Jose giving him a game yesterday was part of his plan to shut up the Shaw fans (or at least those leaning towards that) by showing them that he brings little to the game.And for all we know Shaw may have offered even more in the second half. Maybe he would have got an assist or two himself?
Valencia was equally poor, so why wasn’t he substituted at half time too?
I'm actually mostly criticising the type of drivel spouted as the bolded part. Young doesn't need to cut in either, he's switching to his better foot most of the time, it's a lot of silly stuff made up just because there's, surprise surprise, nothing to praise Shaw for, unless him losing his tits is something we're going to praise players for nowadays.That's incredibly subjective, you're posting the same sort of bs you're criticising others for. E.g. saying he has no assists vs Young, that's deliberately overlooking 1) He's played in about 6-8 full games all season and 2) That he brings other things to the attack that Young doesn't (e.g. the ability to drive to the byline / provide width, and not be another player that needs to cut in. E.g. Lukaku's goal yesterday - he drove to the byline, taking the defender away, which gave Matic a lot of space). You can say people make up stuff to defend him, but you're the other extreme in that you can do nothing but criticise him.
We're comparing Young and Shaw, and Young offers way more in attacking buildup and end product than Shaw does. Also, Young has taken on defenders several times this season, you haven't been watching him closely.If crosses were the only thing you based the quality of an attacker on, then Young is also better than any of our wingers. Also, I cant remember the last time Young took a defender on. He is as bad at it as Valencia.
This response might be a tad random, but the same applies to Pogba so it's probably not even that Mourinho just hasn't got it in for Shaw in particular or something.Whatever about the right and wrongs of the situation, cast your minds back to the Watford game towards the start of Mourinho’s first season, where he called out Shaw for not closing down their winger:
Fast forward well over 18 months and he’s saying:
To his mind, he’s still making the same mistakes and has the same weaknesses. Weaknesses which particularly seem to irk Mourinho.
So you're blaming Shaw for not being able to take free kicks?Young put in a good ball for the second which I really doubt Shaw would have