Young and TFM as cover for RB
fecking hell some United fans really do have low standards.Diogo Dalot | Done Deal | Speaks better English than Valencia
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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fecking hell some United fans really do have low standards.He rarely overlaps, Frank. Tell me, how often do you see in the modern game full-backs overlapping on the inside of the full-back when the winger is out wide? Quite often, right? Tony doesn't make those runs at all, and, he doesn't overlap on the outside on the right because there's rarely anyone to overlap on that side since no one has natural width. The pattern is set in stone. Tony is isolated on the right and he's faced with a choice; take on his man one-on-one or pass square of behind. Of course, we know that percentage wise he's going for option two 90% of the time. His isolation is tactical inasmuch as his lack of overlapping runs are tactical. Compare, for example, with Madrid, or even Arsenal (lack of success, granted); their full-backs how a very high field position when the team is in possession. Marcelo or Bellerin, for example, don't run into those high positions with the ball; they're already there by means of instruction. I'd grab screen grabs and do a visual comparison, if I had enough time, but it's difficult to explain in words only why people's perceptions of our lack of full-back activity is down to quality only. I want to say that it's not. What I can agree is that, of course, final delivery is purely down to Valencia, which he lacks, but what can be controlled is the effectiveness of his movement to offset his lack of ability one on one.
And we will wait for him 2 3 years to progress? How much i hate those un proven deals. Can't we just sign a proven R.B?
Specially full backs we need better better options.
Specially full backs we need better better options.
Good to see Jose is addressing centre mid and the defence this summer. Get this lad, Alderweireld and a left lack (plus Fred) and we'll be in much better shape.
As I mentioned before, I prefer to sign a top RB to replace Valencia instead of a young player to rotate with him. Valencia is not good enough period.Young and TFM as cover for RB
We need to improve our fullbacks with players for the 1st eleven (like Sandro), not young players with potential.
We don't need someone to cover Valencia (like Young / TFM), what we need is a RB and LB for the 1st team.
But maybe you are right, maybe Valencia + Dalot is enough. I just prefer a proven RB instead of waiting a couple of years to see how Dalot progresses.
@broccoli any updates from the local media?
As In any follow up to that Glazer in Portugal claim?
As In any follow up to that Glazer in Portugal claim?
I doubt any of the Glazer’s are involved in transfers. IF one of them were in Portugal then it was probably more pleasure than business.
I don't think Mourinho and his scouting staff are looking at the number 19 as a measure of Dalot's football intelligence, maturity, work ethic, passion for the game, and composure under pressure. Dalot is a complete fullback as he is a good defender with the ability to provide quality support in attack. Combine Dalot with Willian and the right side will get considerably better for less than 60m in transfer fees, imo.
You'll never win anything with kids.
Mourinho's teams always had fb's willing to overlap, eg. Maicon, Marcelo,Coentrao, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta off the top of my head. Its's illogical to think that Mourinho tells him not to overlap, obviously he has his own tactics and we are never going to be as gung ho as Real Madrid but our full backs do get forward enough to be effective, it's a quality issue more than a tactical one imo, that's my contention. You can have tactics but within that players have to use their own iniative, if you think Mourinho asks Valencia or Young never to overlap then I have to disagree.
How is that low standards in terms of cover? We’re not talking starters or even future starters there.Young and TFM as cover for RB
TFM is a good option as cover. Really superb season with Palace, which is something given how rare it is to make a loan work these days. I can't get on board with Young on the right though, he's good cover at LB, but only at LB.Young and TFM as cover for RB
Never heard of him, another meh signing like Lindelof. Why arnt we in for Meunier, Vrasalkjo, Sidibe
How do you know its a meh signing if you'v never heard of him?
TFM had a good loan spell I wouldn't say it was superb though, he ended up loosing his place after their game against us.
A mediocre young RB would not be good cover for a club aspiring to win the CL.
Tbf that lad had some game against us and a team will obviously favour their own rather than someone on loan
TFM’s mediocre? He’s 20 and Sané said he’s the toughest defender he’s played against. Palace fans love him, he should be given a chance here.
At 6ft 4 he's likely to be a CD not a full back
Don't read it then, simples
He didn't play against us as he was on loan.Then he got injured
If he was a Crystal Palace player no one would want us to sign him. He doesn't look like a good RB at all. He'll end up being a CD
United fans on twitter:
'We don't anymore Mourinho 29 year olds! We need to start investing in young players that we can mould and work with.
*United heavily linked a young RB whose highly rated and can be coached by one of the best defensive managers in the business*
United fans on twitter:
'Never heard of this guy! We need proven talent not some kid whose played a handful games in Portugal!!'
The club can't win sometimes.
'We don't anymore Mourinho 29 year olds! We need to start investing in young players that we can mould and work with.
*United heavily linked a young RB whose highly rated and can be coached by one of the best defensive managers in the business*
United fans on twitter:
'Never heard of this guy! We need proven talent not some kid whose played a handful games in Portugal!!'
The club can't win sometimes.
Cuz Woody is incompetent.
Yep see it the same way
Sadly the reactions have been the same here on the Caf.
From some, others are all for it.
There is a lot of users on this forum, that means many different opinions. That’s fair isn’t it?
The issue in this case is nobody wants to start the season with Young and Valencia as first choice fullbacks. They been a problem for us since Fergies day as manager.
Young and Valencia ain’t magically going to be amazing attacking fullbacks.
Young and Valencia ain’t magically going to be amazing attacking fullbacks.
He's not 6'4. 6'1 at best.
Of course it's fair, and in MY opinion, which is fair that i'm entitled to, I think it's annoying that we have some fans loving the fact Mourinho is trying to recruit an apparent wonderkid to integrate with Valencia, and some that hate Mourinho trying to do so.
He gets stick for recruiting ready made stars, and he gets stick for recruiting wonderkids. The guy can't win. In my opinion, which I'm fairly entitled to.
Woody's off buying the cigars.
Perhaps its dependant on position. Good youngsters where we dont need immediate improvement and instant performers for positions that have handicapped us in the previous season.
Doesnt that make sense?
Not many Palace fans rate him as a RB tbf. From what I've seen, most think his future is either at CB (though he lacks aerial ability) or CDM.
Some people like Pepsi and some people like Coke.
No point getting worked up because everybody doesn't like the same thing.
Dalot is from his mother because his last name is Teixeira and Dalot is not a Portuguese name so Im guessing his mother is French.
I remember he started as a CDM here, and I think LVG stuck him in defence.
With a name like that, you can't go wrong.
Unless if you play under Daivd Moyos.
Unless if you play under Daivd Moyos.
Yes I did, already had to laugh reading he is similar to Varela, the only thing I can say he is probably the best fullback in potential born in 1999, at least from Europe.
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