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[Ramshock]

This can’t be fecking real. Must be someone on a wind up having a bet with his mates

thats what lots of people think when they hear the brexiteers call into his show. They accuse him of bullying them. All he does is ask for an explanation for things..

 

[Ramshock]

The poster I was replying to was talking about Ireland leaving the EU because the tarrifs didn't target them so why should they take part in the retaliation

Thats not gonna happen so the whole thing is moot. Its just a West Brit fantasy.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

thats what lots of people think when they hear the brexiteers call into his show. They accuse him of bullying them. All he does is ask for an explanation for things..

I’m confused between wanting to beat the imbecile to death with a banana or send him a card of condolance for that death by utter humiliation

 

[Sweet Square]

So I've read them again and they still say the same. They are turning back boats and patrolling 30 miles off of Italy, both of which is helping Italy.

Er it's not helping the people on the boats who are dying.

 

[Ramshock]

 

[Adisa]

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[Ramshock]

Someone needs to put that goggle eyed cockgoblin in prison

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Someone needs to put that goggle eyed cockgoblin in prison

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

 

[AltiUn]

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

Seeing people chanting "free Tommy Robinson" is just appalling, he's a cnut of the highest order but his **** seem to view him as a martyr.

 

[horsechoker]

Seeing people chanting "free Tommy Robinson" is just appalling, he's a cnut of the highest order but his **** seem to view him as a martyr.

It stems from a lack of understanding of why Tommy Robinson was arrested. His supporters view him as someone who is willing to take on the authorities over their covering up of Muslim grooming gangs when in actual fact his actions were disruptive to the trial of people who took part in this and could have perverted the course of justice. I actually at one time had some hope for Robinson when he joined Quilliam and left the EDL for becoming too right-wing but he seems to have reverted to type joining Rebel Media, pushing fake news stories and half-true/false personal anecdotes.

 

[Kentonio]

It stems from a lack of understanding of why Tommy Robinson was arrested. His supporters view him as someone who is willing to take on the authorities over their covering up of Muslim grooming gangs when in actual fact his actions were disruptive to the trial of people who took part in this and could have perverted the course of justice. I actually at one time had some hope for Robinson when he joined Quilliam and left the EDL for becoming too right-wing but he seems to have reverted to type joining Rebel Media, pushing fake news stories and half-true/false personal anecdotes.

The cnut was clearly just trying to clean up his image a bit to try and get media work.

 

[C3Pique]

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[GloryHunter07]

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Leavers are terrified .... it will be snatched away

 

[Barca84]

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

Let's call him by his real name of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and not that cartoon Engish pseudonym he's adopted?

 

[Dobba]

I see the Leave campaign have sent Blair back on to Radio 4.

 

[Oscie]

Yes heaven forbid anyone speaks up against Tory Brexit. We should have politicians who do nothing but wave through what'll be economic disaster and instead do useful things with their time like attending concerts held in their own honour.

What we need is football-style songs. When the factories close the workers can spend their redundancy on singing lessons.

"Oh Emily Thornberry" will be the choice of soon-to-be-former Nissan workers I'd bet.

 

[Dobba]

Yes heaven forbid anyone speaks up against Tory Brexit.

Mark the date and time, Oscie criticised the Tories!

"Oh Emily Thornberry" will be the choice of soon-to-be-former Nissan workers I'd bet.

Nevermind, false alarm.

Sending Blair out worked wonders at the referendum. People love and respect him, seemingly without restraint. Blair backing a campaign can only be a positive. I'm sure the Leave campaign are panicking that the tide will now turn.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

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"Business Secretary accused of sowing seeds of panic by speaking the truth about Brexit "

Well almost except the deal can't be "like" staying in the CU/SM but actually in them.

 

[Oscie]

Let's not oppose Tory Brext

Let's attack anyone who opposes Tory Brexit.


...that's fine and anyone's prerogative. It's just ironic that many of those on the Labour supporting side who believe this are usual the first to use "You're a Tory" as insult.

 

[Adisa]

Anyone follow the FT/ECJ drama with labour yesterday?

 

[Jippy]

Anyone follow the FT/ECJ drama with labour yesterday?

No was swamped at work, what was that?

 

[Adisa]

No was swamped at work, what was that?

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Not only that, some MPs accused the chief whip of being overly aggressive.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

"stuff"

 

[Grinner]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

 

[Jippy]

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Not only that, some MPs accused the chief whip of being overly aggressive.

Oh right, yeah, doesn't sound like joined up thinking at all, unless there are specific issues they have with these deals? Not been following that tbh.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

If you are 5, there is a strong probability you are wiser than any Brexiter.
No coherent answer is yet forthcoming from a Brexiter, we're still waiting.

 

[Bury Red]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

Depends on the type of Brexit.

Soft Brexit with CU membership:

No real changes to general standard of living, no difference to present EU immigration rates or to your travels within Europe. We will most likely be paying more into the EU for membership of the union however since we will have lost our rebates and we will no longer have any say in the EU rules but will still have to follow them. Loss of EU grants will kill off many of the community schemes and rural road schemes that have been funded that way for years with Westminster being unlikely to make up the shortfall.

No difference you will feel but as a country we'll pay more for what we already had and have no influence on how things change in the future.

Hard / No deal Brexit:

Most likely to see the cost of living rise with increases in food and fuel prices and significant increases on clothing, cars and high end electronic goods. Expect the average person to be around 1 grand per year worse off as a result and any recovery to take 10 years or more. Devaluation of sterling might help exports in the long term but will hit your savings and pensions, as a 5 year old you'll not be likely to feel the difference but old buggers like myself who were hoping to retire in the next 10 years or so will have to rethink things and most of us will end up working more years to make up the short fall. Large multinationals that manufacture here or banks and investment companies that offer services from the UK to EU countries will move some or all of their company over to the EU with the subsequent loss of jobs in those companies and also in companies that service them, impossible to predict numbers until we're over the cliff edge but we could see a few million jobs lost permanently and many other companies struggling to stay in business.

Impact on imports and travel is likely to be chaotic for the first year or more and travel into Europe will cost you more and will take longer at the entry point. Opportunities to live and work in Europe will greatly decrease as will the opportunity for students to study in European Universities. Total immigration figures and illegal immigration are unlikely to alter but we may see an initial exodus of experienced EU migrants which could hit services like the NHS hard and will likely lead to a new wave of recruited immigrants from elsewhere to fill positions where we lack trained and experienced people.

Probably not the end of the world but it's likely to feel as uncomfortable as the financial crisis and austerity measures for the foreseeable future.

 

[Dobba]

Oh right, yeah, doesn't sound like joined up thinking at all, unless there are specific issues they have with these deals? Not been following that tbh.

CETA is a steaming pile of shit.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

Were gonna take back our country from the spongers and the terrorists and them fecking dainty french poodles bunch of bastards waltzing around with their puffy cheese eating tails.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Depends on the type of Brexit.

Soft Brexit with CU membership:

No real changes to general standard of living, no difference to present EU immigration rates or to your travels within Europe. We will most likely be paying more into the EU for membership of the union however since we will have lost our rebates and we will no longer have any say in the EU rules but will still have to follow them. Loss of EU grants will kill off many of the community schemes and rural road schemes that have been funded that way for years with Westminster being unlikely to make up the shortfall.

No difference you will feel but as a country we'll pay more for what we already had and have no influence on how things change in the future.

Hard / No deal Brexit:

Most likely to see the cost of living rise with increases in food and fuel prices and significant increases on clothing, cars and high end electronic goods. Expect the average person to be around 1 grand per year worse off as a result and any recovery to take 10 years or more. Devaluation of sterling might help exports in the long term but will hit your savings and pensions, as a 5 year old you'll not be likely to feel the difference but old buggers like myself who were hoping to retire in the next 10 years or so will have to rethink things and most of us will end up working more years to make up the short fall. Large multinationals that manufacture here or banks and investment companies that offer services from the UK to EU countries will move some or all of their company over to the EU with the subsequent loss of jobs in those companies and also in companies that service them, impossible to predict numbers until we're over the cliff edge but we could see a few million jobs lost permanently and many other companies struggling to stay in business.

Impact on imports and travel is likely to be chaotic for the first year or more and travel into Europe will cost you more and will take longer at the entry point. Opportunities to live and work in Europe will greatly decrease as will the opportunity for students to study in European Universities. Total immigration figures and illegal immigration are unlikely to alter but we may see an initial exodus of experienced EU migrants which could hit services like the NHS hard and will likely lead to a new wave of recruited immigrants from elsewhere to fill positions where we lack trained and experienced people.

Probably not the end of the world but it's likely to feel as uncomfortable as the financial crisis and austerity measures for the foreseeable future.

Sorry Bury but your description of Soft Brexit should include membership of the CU and SM.

 

[Bury Red]

Sorry Bury but your description of Soft Brexit should include membership of the CU and SM.

Figured I was explaining it to a 5 year old so didn't want to confuse him with things like CU, SM or ECHR. Your av erage 5 year old would not be able to tell the difference between Soft Brexit and our current EU member status and is unlikely to care despite how stupid we'd be to take a worse deal than we already have and pay more for it.

We should have given 5 year olds the vote in the referendum as we might have stood a better chance of avoiding Brexit and having to watch a bunch of politicians proving to be inferior to your average 5 year old in planning our country's future.

 

[Adebesi]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

Does anyone really know? Its uncharted territory. I think its literally impossible to answer the question without your own biases and expectations getting in the way. There are too many variables, too many decisions that have yet to be taken, decisions relating to questions that havent even been asked yet. So we are all basically arguing according to our own expectations about what we think will happen.

I think the only thing that comes close to being a fact is that in the short term, economically, it is going to be a shitstorm. Hard Brexit that is. Exactly how much of a shitstorm, how fiercely the shit will lash down, and how long for, I dont think anyone really knows and I dont take any model that predicts it particularly seriously, but I think the storm will come.

Long term I think we are all speculating. Not that I dont have conviction that my own views on it are right. I do fancy I have a pretty clear idea of what will happen. But I cant back those views up with facts or argue them objectively, or know with any degree of certainty what it means for English people living in England. None of us can. How can we know what deals we will make with China or the US? What regulatory concessions we will make in order to facilitate those deals. How much financial services business will move out of London. Could be none, could be a hell of a lot. In the long term, either, or anything between, is all possible, and will all have massive implications for growth, and thereby for the economy, and living standards of English people in England.

Also with immigration: how many immigrants will we let in? What kinds? Will any people be deported - people found to be here illegally, people claiming to be refugees but found by the government of the day not to qualify? In the long term, will England ever start to feel "English" the way nostalgic Brexit voters wished it did again? Or will it merely stop changing as quickly as it has in the past decade or so? Or will it carry on as much as ever, as we restrict Europeans and invite more of our commonwealth and Chinese brothers and sisters? That cant be ruled out as part of any bilateral trade deal we do with any of these emerging markets.

Anyone who answers the question above is only speculating, nobody can give you a simple answer. If they do, you should recognise it for what it is: a guess. Then you have to work out for yourself whether it appears to be an educated guess or not, how many of these variables the person making the guess has considered and what kind of position they are in to predict the answers to them.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Figured I was explaining it to a 5 year old so didn't want to confuse him with things like CU, SM or ECHR. Your av erage 5 year old would not be able to tell the difference between Soft Brexit and our current EU member status and is unlikely to care despite how stupid we'd be to take a worse deal than we already have and pay more for it.

We should have given 5 year olds the vote in the referendum as we might have stood a better chance of avoiding Brexit and having to watch a bunch of politicians proving to be inferior to your average 5 year old in planning our country's future.

I'll agree with you there.
The vote itself was bad enough but two years down the road for people to still believe and promote leaving off a cliff edge despite the obvious severe damage the country is going to suffer is utterly perplexing.

 

[Oscie]

Explain it to me like i'm 5.. What does Brexit mean for English people living in England?

Keep asking and getting no real answer

There isn't an answer beyond "taking back control" and "sky-blue-pink Brexit" and "shut up, Remoaner!"

 

[Virgil]

Does anyone really know? Its uncharted territory. I think its literally impossible to answer the question without your own biases and expectations getting in the way. There are too many variables, too many decisions that have yet to be taken, decisions relating to questions that havent even been asked yet. So we are all basically arguing according to our own expectations about what we think will happen.

I think the only thing that comes close to being a fact is that in the short term, economically, it is going to be a shitstorm. Hard Brexit that is. Exactly how much of a shitstorm, how fiercely the shit will lash down, and how long for, I dont think anyone really knows and I dont take any model that predicts it particularly seriously, but I think the storm will come.

Long term I think we are all speculating. Not that I dont have conviction that my own views on it are right. I do fancy I have a pretty clear idea of what will happen. But I cant back those views up with facts or argue them objectively, or know with any degree of certainty what it means for English people living in England. None of us can. How can we know what deals we will make with China or the US? What regulatory concessions we will make in order to facilitate those deals. How much financial services business will move out of London. Could be none, could be a hell of a lot. In the long term, either, or anything between, is all possible, and will all have massive implications for growth, and thereby for the economy, and living standards of English people in England.

Also with immigration: how many immigrants will we let in? What kinds? Will any people be deported - people found to be here illegally, people claiming to be refugees but found by the government of the day not to qualify? In the long term, will England ever start to feel "English" the way nostalgic Brexit voters wished it did again? Or will it merely stop changing as quickly as it has in the past decade or so? Or will it carry on as much as ever, as we restrict Europeans and invite more of our commonwealth and Chinese brothers and sisters? That cant be ruled out as part of any bilateral trade deal we do with any of these emerging markets.

Anyone who answers the question above is only speculating, nobody can give you a simple answer. If they do, you should recognise it for what it is: a guess. Then you have to work out for yourself whether it appears to be an educated guess or not, how many of these variables the person making the guess has considered and what kind of position they are in to predict the answers to them.

A considered response. How refreshing. Such a pity more folk on either side are not a tad more circumspect. Nice one Adebesi

 

[Paul the Wolf]

The problem with that is there are plenty of things that we do know. Just a few to start with.

1. The EU will not be changing their rules for the benefit of the UK. How many times have they said that - Brexiters aren't listening or don't care. Desperate Remainers are crossing their fingers and hoping. Not happening.

2. For there not to be a hard border on the island of Ireland the UK must stay in the CU/SM or the border's in the Irish Sea.

3. A completely frictionless border , not a bit frictionless, is vital for the production of cars and similar products which the Uk want to export to the rest of the world (which they already do) but apparently want to stop that too by destroying those industries.

4. A transition period is only possible if the UK resolve the Irish border problem and UK/EU citizen rights and no trade agreements before the UK leaves.

One of things we don't know is what will be happening to immigrants/emigrants.
Another thing we don't know how severe the damage will be, this is speculation.

 

[Adebesi]

The problem with that is there are plenty of things that we do know. Just a few to start with.

1. The EU will not be changing their rules for the benefit of the UK. How many times have they said that - Brexiters aren't listening or don't care. Desperate Remainers are crossing their fingers and hoping. Not happening.

2. For there not to be a hard border on the island of Ireland the UK must stay in the CU/SM or the border's in the Irish Sea.

3. A completely frictionless border , not a bit frictionless, is vital for the production of cars and similar products which the Uk want to export to the rest of the world (which they already do) but apparently want to stop that too by destroying those industries.

4. A transition period is only possible if the UK resolve the Irish border problem and UK/EU citizen rights and no trade agreements before the UK leaves.

One of things we don't know is what will be happening to immigrants/emigrants.
Another thing we don't know how severe the damage will be, this is speculation.

How is that a problem with what I said? I never said we know nothing. Just that there are enough variables to make the long term implications impossible to predict.

The factors you mentioned are part of the reason an economic shitstorm is inevitable in the short term. But to say those problems will bring the UK to its knees in the longer term is clearly speculation.

 

[Adebesi]

Also I ignored the question of Ireland because the question was specifically about England and the English.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

How is that a problem with what I said? I never said we know nothing. Just that there are enough variables to make the long term implications impossible to predict.

The factors you mentioned are part of the reason an economic shitstorm is inevitable in the short term. But to say those problems will bring the UK to its knees in the longer term is clearly speculation.

It depends what you mean by short, medium and long term.

If the UK leaves the CU/SM which could be as soon as in 9 months time, for which they are not even slightly prepared for, how will they ever recover in any any reasonable amount of time. I agree it's speculation as to how bad it could but it'll be very bad to catastrophic. It's the initial damage that will be the worst, companies leaving, currency collapsing, confidence at zero.

The question is ,which is speculation, is how they recover, signing trade deals with USA and China is not going to change that, they already sell to them.