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It's great for her... Up until the leavers are so infuriated, they vote against her in commons... Effectively triggering a general election.Am I to understand that May who originally campaigned Remain now has delivered a 'softer' Brexit, effectively getting Davis and Johnson out of the administration and is likely to survive a no-confidence motion? I'm not sure if this is genius or clown worthy.
Few, I was worried for a minute.Farage:
"In March 2019, the current leader of Ukip, Gerard Batten, will reach the end of his term in office. Unless Brexit is back on track by then, I will have to seriously consider putting my name forward to return as Ukip leader."
But since Day one she has been negotiating and asking for the impossible. It is just different cake.I don't know, I understand why @Adisa reads a soft brexit, it's not because of what is written or what she says but because she is seemingly negotiating with the EU. Now for me there is an angle that is interesting to explore, no deal doesn't require any negotiations, so if she isn't going for soft brexit then she is just acting in a way that will keep her in Downing Street for as long as possible. If she publicly states that no deal is the way, then her party doesn't need her and they are all going to fight for her place.
In the end, there is very little to say which way this government wants to go.
YesNohing about this whole farce is about the good of the country or even the will of the people, it is on ly about keeping the Tories in power.
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We have some excellent spin doctors and word smiths, if nothing elseOoh that's good
It is a ridiculous post, considering Thailand is effectively ruled by a military junta.Tweet
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Exactly.This is why May will stay. No one wants it. They want to make trouble but have no concrete plans of their own. The media is negligent not holding them to account.
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I personally don't think it was ignorance. Nobody including the main Brexiteers in the government knew the complexities of an exit. We now have a government who are fudging the issue based on appeasing their colleagues and their personal ambitions and futures as MPs.17.4 million voters should be held personally responsible. Ignorance is no excuse.
Based on WTO, without a deal everyone will put tarrifs on everything.I personally don't think it was ignorance. Nobody including the main Brexiteers in the government knew the complexities of an exit. We now have a government who are fudging the issue based on appeasing their colleagues and their personal ambitions and futures as MPs.
If we go without a deal what happens if the USA, China, India, etc decide to put up tariffs on certain items we export as is happening with Trump? As a European bloc we can retaliate as a small country we'd be in a pickle.
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I understand. I personally think the bigger economies outside of the UK would be delighted to weaken the EU bloc. Especially Russia, US and China. Russia due to different reasons than trade.Based on WTO, without a deal everyone will put tarrifs on everything.
But we'd have to put a hard border between NI and ROI to trade under the WTO right?Based on WTO, without a deal everyone will put tarrifs on everything.
Yes!But we'd have to put a hard border between NI and ROI to trade under the WTO right?
God knowsI've been caught up in the World Cup. On a serious note, what is May's proposal, an EEA Norway model?
I’ve heard worse ideas..It sounds like a few people's choice would be to have another referrendum, but either not allow pensioners to vote or give them, like, half a vote? This is bizarre - pensioners aren't to "blame".
I feel like no progress has been made at all. Same ideas getting thrown around as 12 months ago and no progress.God knows
A backhanded second Brexit vote would be to have a snap election and whoever has the best Euro strategy would get elected.Another referrendum wont happen - neither the Tory or Labour party want one. I think she will push through her plans, which will get rejected by the EU. Alternatively, she will get voted out and replaced by somebody like Rees-Mogg but I can't see it happening - nobody will want to risk the Government falling (which, arguably, they have done already) Corbyn coming in through the back door.
It sounds like a few people's choice would be to have another referrendum, but either not allow pensioners to vote or give them, like, half a vote? This is bizarre - pensioners aren't to "blame".
He is shit at both to be fair.Johnson was a shit politician but a 'big' personality.
National levelJohnson was a shit politician but a 'big' personality.
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There is a morbid fascination in watchimg how this unfolds, but it is done with a heavy heart.I was in the UK when decimalisation was introduced, and the locals could not stop complaining about, and some still do now.
Sadly, I fear there is still a long way further to fall.
17.4 million voters should be held personally responsible. Ignorance is no excuse.
Tuning in for the next episode of "Rats leaving the sinking ship"
Hard border no, controlled border yes. If you don't have custom checks outside of a custom agreement then you have to grant that right to every WTO members, it's terrible for the UK and every single EU members.But we'd have to put a hard border between NI and ROI to trade under the WTO right?
But surely these people - most of whom have lived through WW2 and knew life before the EU - have a lot more wisdom, and thus their vote should almost mean more? Also, the vast majority will have children and grandchildren that they will want to make the UK a better place for - most people will know that a parent would do absolutely anything for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps we owe our elders a bit more respect, no?I’ve heard worse ideas..
He is shit at both to be fair.
Just hate the fact people find the racist, contemptible, incompetent bigot funny. All the tributes praising his personality and so-called charisma, when the reality is he is a cowardly, self-serving cnut.National level
Part of the issue with that (besides the economic uncertainty) is timeings...A backhanded second Brexit vote would be to have a snap election and whoever has the best Euro strategy would get elected.
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I'm sure/hopeful European leaders would extend timelines. Surely it is also in their interest.Part of the issue with that (besides the economic uncertainty) is timeings...
Let's assume there is a conservative leadership election (timescale 2 months)
Then the winner calls a snap general election (another 3 months)
Negotiations for whoever wins can start in say November / December... Which is too late to actually negotiate a deal... So regardless of who wins the only deal in that scenario is no deal
It didn’t seem to work out like that when huge numbers of them (including my own parents) chose to completely piss all over the wishes of the younger generations and take away a wide range of freedoms we were extremely proud to have.But surely these people - most of whom have lived through WW2 and knew life before the EU - have a lot more wisdom, and thus their vote should almost mean more? Also, the vast majority will have children and grandchildren that they will want to make the UK a better place for - most people will know that a parent would do absolutely anything for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps we owe our elders a bit more respect, no?
Most are post WWII babyboomers (to have lived through the war as an adult, you’d be pushing 100). Like old people everywhere, they are prey to the nostalgia that things used to be better and, in a specifically British context, they imbibed a sense of British greatness from the WWII victory achieved by their parents (mixed with an exaggerated sense of the bond with the USA) and never emotionally accepted the idea of Britain sitting down as an equal partner to our continental neighbours. I doubt they actively wish to do their children and grandchildren harm but the world has passed them by and their ignorance and delusions are causing a lot of problems.But surely these people - most of whom have lived through WW2 and knew life before the EU - have a lot more wisdom, and thus their vote should almost mean more? Also, the vast majority will have children and grandchildren that they will want to make the UK a better place for - most people will know that a parent would do absolutely anything for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps we owe our elders a bit more respect, no?
Most are post WWII babyboomers (to have lived through the war as an adult, you’d be pushing 100). Like old people everywhere, they are prey to the nostalgia that things used to be better and, in a specifically British context, they imbibed a sense of British greatness from the WWII victory achieved by their parents (mixed with an exaggerated sense of the bond with the USA) and never emotionally accepted the idea of Britain sitting down as an equal partner to our continental neighbours. I doubt they actively wish to do their children and grandchildren harm but the world has passed them by and their ignorance and delusions are causing a lot of problems.But surely these people - most of whom have lived through WW2 and knew life before the EU - have a lot more wisdom, and thus their vote should almost mean more? Also, the vast majority will have children and grandchildren that they will want to make the UK a better place for - most people will know that a parent would do absolutely anything for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps we owe our elders a bit more respect, no?