Pogba: "There are things I cannot say, otherwise I will get fined"

[doriandun]

Pobga is already been checkmated and can't see it, the fact Perreria [this is trust from Jose, putting a 21 year old to sit in front of the defence] can play as a six and 8, Fred finding his feet in a few weeks, Herrera and Matic to return from injury, means the team won't need to depend on Pogba's contribution,even Linguard could be used as the third midfielder.

As for Pogba winning the world cup, he did not have 7 consistent games, he had four good games, not greats games, the season is 40 games plus.

“When you are comfortable, when people trust you, you are good in the head and it’s easier. - trust is something you earn, you shouldn't need someone to trust you to be good in your head, if that is the case, thne it says more about you than the other person.

“If you’re not happy with doing what you’re doing, there’s no point doing it. - so he is basically saying i will not scarifice myself for the team, even mourinho against his own wishes, gave pogba the platform of playing in a three, and even went and bought another midfielder.

“There’s no point doing things for money. There is a point in doing things because you love it “If you’re not happy, you cannot give your best.” - but yet in everday life, millions of people make the scarifice for the greater good in the short term, and even some make careers out of it, being happy is a mindset, in which you have convinced yourself to believe, and used as an excuse to justify your behaviour, if you lack the required skill or talent then that is another matter.

 

[el3mel]

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[clarkydaz]

Aren't people calling for underperforming players to fairly get dropped ?

I think the Seville home game was 100% on Mourinho, but at this point Pogba was trash against Newcastle and Spurs and deserved dropping for some games.

People here are calling for Sanchez to get dropped because he's underperforming but accuse Mourinho of being unfair because he previously dropped an underperforming Pogba. That's contradiction.

At least this shows that he actually has no favorites and will end up dropping any underperforming players if it matters. He did it with Rooney in his first season.

If people are saying Pogba is quality and even with playing rubbish he shouldn't be dropped, than don't call for Sanchez to be dropped either Everytime he has a poor game.

Pogba recently revealed he was very ill for that Newcastle game, hence was subbed off. The camera panned to him on the bench and he looked bad. If so he done what Jose wants from his players. play when they physically shouldn't then get hammered from the fans/press for playing shit. Whilst wasting a sub early on

 

[Jazz]

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Great. We're like a never ending soap opera. He said, he said

 

[el3mel]

Pogba recently revealed he was very ill for that Newcastle game, hence was subbed off. The camera panned to him on the bench and he looked bad. If so he done what Jose wants from his players. play when they physically shouldn't then get hammered from the fans/press for playing shit. Whilst wasting a sub early on

And the Spurs game ? When he was rubbish and his managers called him to give him instructions and he failed to execute them so got subbed later on ? Was he ill too ?

 

[clarkydaz]

And the Spurs game ? When he was rubbish and his managers called him to give him instructions and he failed to execute them so got subbed later on ? Was he ill too ?

Ooh, touchy . Just giving you some more info as to why this situation has come to a head

 

[Trizy]

Pogba: ''I believe the earth is flat''

 

[el3mel]

Ooh, touchy . Just giving you some more info as to why this situation has come to a head

No problem.

 

[USREDEVIL]

For all the people debating whether it's Mourinho or Pogba who is in the wrong, i think that a little tough love is one thing (fergie did it yes) but Mourinho is lashing out. Pogba just came off the world cup win, Mourinho could have given him a little compliment and then took him aside and told him to do that for us consistently. But now he had to basically sour Pogba's world cup victory by publicly criticizing him. I mean that's not good man management. Then he criticizes Martial for going to see the birth of his child? WTF. If you have never had kids, although it's a somewhat routine procedure, it's a HUGE deal to the parents. There seems to be a complete lack of empathy from Mourinho and that rubs everyone the wrong way. I've backed Mourinho once we signed him (although i wanted Klopp), but i'm starting to think he's doing more harm than good.

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

Give me 200M for Pogba ,60 for Martial and lets forget about all these drama. They will do the same with any manager in front of them .

 

[Man of Leisure]

Wonder if Suarez being at Barca would be a point of contention? Lotta things could change by next season, but if they’re serious about getting him it wouldn’t hurt for Evra to remind Pogba how much of a cnut Suarez is. Stretching I know.

 

[Ban]

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This is a great article.

 

[KingMinger22]

If Barca’s interest is real it is frankly comical.

The clowns think they could somehow pull this deal off.

Do you have £300m cash?

If not, Woody will laugh in your face.

 

[KingMinger22]

He wants... and willl receive... a new deal that puts him closer to the likes of Messi, Ronald, Neymar.

 

[ship50]

You must have been hidden in a dark cupboard then and he's been on social media laughing and joking with Bailly then dancing and singing with De Gea on the way to training.

He also looked delighted when Shaw scored the other night and did an interview about loving the club and being privileged to wear the armband.

I swear some of you only see what you want to see.

That goes both ways. Maybe you are seeing what you want to see... joking and dancing. And then he says these things and his agent sends feelers to other clubs. Anyway, good day to you from the dark cupboard.

 

[TheReligion]

That goes both ways. Maybe you are seeing what you want to see... joking and dancing. And then he says these things and his agent sends feelers to other clubs. Anyway, good day to you from the dark cupboard.

That makes no sense. I see the videos with my own two eyes.

You said he's not been happy since he has been back, I've just proved that to be utter tripe.

I'll lock the cupboard door if you're not careful!

 

[Escobar]

He wants... and willl receive... a new deal that puts him closer to the likes of Messi, Ronald, Neymar.

If it means everyone will shut up and focus on playing successful football, I'm all for it!

 

[izec]

He wants... and willl receive... a new deal that puts him closer to the likes of Messi, Ronald, Neymar.

He will never get that here. They get after tax what Pogba gets pre tax

 

[Kevin]

Unfortunately he's following the example set by his manager. It's no surprise to see unnecessary and perhaps even unprofessional comments from players when Jose is doing the same most weeks. The message is clear; the media is there to protect your reputation and further your agenda, regardless of the impact on the team.

Yep. Do it repeatedly like Jose and you get this as a result. Now he gets to eat the big fat poop-cake that he has created.

 

[Varun]

He wants... and willl receive... a new deal that puts him closer to the likes of Messi, Ronald, Neymar.

Closer is a funny word to choose given how big the gap will still be.

 

[Kevin]

It's quite funny how hypocritical some people on these boards seem to be. In cases where we see Mourinho go on his usual public slagging of players, you see these posters pretending that it some sort of needed act from Mourinho and he's within his right to publicly hang his players out to dry but when the same is directed at him, the very same people who had previously condone Mourinho behaviour find it detrimental.

Honestly speaking Mourinho had it coming. You cannot expect going around a full season publicly slagging off your own players without it coming back to you. Like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, due to the constant public outburst Mourinho has had against his players, public criticism at the club has become fair game for anyone. Mourinho opened that can of worms.

Magnificent post. Casually ignored by a certain group of posters of course.

 

[Kevin]

We must be among the select few clubs where everyone seems to need the media to talk to one another.

Manager wants a player to be fitter? Tell him via the press.
Manager wants a player to be more disciplined? Tell him via the press.
Manager wants better players? Tell the board via the press.
Board wants the manager to choose younger players? Tell him via the press.
Player has concerns and wants support? Tell the manager/board via the press.
fecking circus but it's to be expected when the guys at the top set a precedent.

It comes as no surprise that "manager" features in the above post more times than "player" and "board". He loves to talk about others in the press. Now he gets to be the superstar in a player's interview.

 

[9 Stone Elvis]

Im sick of the whole thing in all honesty. I cant be bothered with this being the soundtrack to our season every 5 minutes. Do you know what? Pogba if you want to go, let him go. Mourinho if you want to go, go. Anyone else? Martial? Fair enough, go. Put the whole bloody lot on the transfer list and lets get some people playing who actually respect the idea of being hugely rewarded for playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world with a fan base desperate to hero-worship them if only they would behave like they were actually enjoying themselves.

None of this needs to be played out in the public eye and because we don't know whats going on behind the scenes we really don't know which parties are to blame other than these pointless leaks and soundbites. Keep it all in house and behind closed doors and just maybe focus on having a go at winning some football matches if its not too much trouble

 

[9 Stone Elvis]

EDIT : sorry, double post.

 

[9 Stone Elvis]

He wants... and willl receive... a new deal that puts him closer to the likes of Messi, Ronald, Neymar.

Id happily give him that if he played closer to the level of Messi and Ronaldo.

 

[royboy16]

I'm still scratching my head at how bizzare Pogba was in the quotes.

The manager just said you were phenomenal in the match, you scored a goal, performed well. The manager praised your training and attitude before the match too.

And then you just chat shite after. So weird.

Maybe Pogba knew JM was being false with his praise as he has had better games for us and JM didn't give him as glowing an appraisal before and Pogba more or less gave JM the finger with those quotes?

 

[Varun]

It comes as no surprise that "manager" features in the above post more times than "player" and "board". He loves to talk about others in the press. Now he gets to be the superstar in a player's interview.

Yup.

 

[tonnas]

Anything of notice from the article? as I cant view it. Thanks.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I am not here for an argument and actually i am tired of the amount of negativity around here. So i won't reply to your first paragraph. All i can say is that i won't defend Jose beyond reason. But first give him a team he wants and then assess him. I will be his biggest critic if the results and playing style are not improved even after that.

I agree with you on most of the points you made in your post. While i agree that his last 7-8 years were not as successful in terms of trophies compared to the years before that, there are many reasons for the less amount of trophies during this period. Anyway, i don't want to go to the details as i don't want to spend more time arguing here.

If you think that United has an excellent squad, then there is no point in continuing this conversation. Yes, we have a good squad. We have De Gea, Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez as star players. But we also have Darmian, Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Young, Shaw, Lingard, Mata, Valencia, Herrera, etc. This means that we have star players but our team is very unbalanced. United team is up there with or is above most of the other top 5 teams in terms of the total cost of the team. But when you look at the balance of the team, we have the worst team out of the top 6. You are asking Jose to play beautiful football and to win top honors with a team mostly assembled by Moyes and LVG and then some old guards from SAF era. That is simply not possible. Jose might be able to win the league with this squad and if somehow he manage to do that, he will surely be the GOAT. But even if he manage to win the league with this team, it won't be by playing attractive football. No manager will win title with this team by playing attractive football. Either you can try to play attractive football and leak a lot of goals or you can set up the team based on the abilities of the players we have and try to win games.

So, if you want him to win top honors by playing attractive football, then give him a team that is capable of doing it, Period.

I do think he has pretty much been able to form his own team by now (it's always a continuous process to an extent). At United, Mourinho has signed a right back, two centre backs, three central midfielders, a right winger who was later swapped for a left winger and a centre forward.

I think it's fair to say that our views are some way apart on how we rate the footballers at the club so it's best to agree to disagree given that forms a basis for much of this particular discussion.

 

[Smores]

Magnificent post. Casually ignored by a certain group of posters of course.

Probably because it's idiotic, players do not have the same rights to speak out as managers do that shouldn't need explaining. It's the managers job to be the voice of the club and control the message not his players.

You have to really do some mental gymnastics to not want to criticise a player for speaking out of turn like this.

 

[K2K]

It's quite funny how hypocritical some people on these boards seem to be. In cases where we see Mourinho go on his usual public slagging of players, you see these posters pretending that it some sort of needed act from Mourinho and he's within his right to publicly hang his players out to dry but when the same is directed at him, the very same people who had previously condone Mourinho behaviour find it detrimental.

Honestly speaking Mourinho had it coming. You cannot expect going around a full season publicly slagging off your own players without it coming back to you. Like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, due to the constant public outburst Mourinho has had against his players, public criticism at the club has become fair game for anyone. Mourinho opened that can of worms.

Nail on the head.

For me Pogba doesn't have any problem with United. Just like Ronaldo and Ramos didn't have any problems with Madrid.

It's Jose he has a problem with. The same Jose who threw him under the bus at every opportunity last season.

Now the chickens have come home to roost.

 

[Adisa]

Probably because it's idiotic, players do not have the same rights to speak out as managers do that shouldn't need explaining. It's the managers job to be the voice of the club and control the message not his players.

You have to really do some mental gymnastics to not want to criticise a player for speaking out of turn like this.

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, players will have no problem throwing jabs back if their manager does it in public.

 

[Smores]

Nail on the head.

For me Pogba doesn't have any problem with United. Just like Ronaldo and Ramos didn't have any problems with Madrid.

It's Jose he has a problem with. The same Jose who threw him under the bus at every opportunity last season.

Now the chickens have come home to roost.

I worry about some of you people, incredibly selective memories.

Jose stuck by Pogba and came out in public defence of him constantly over the last two seasons when he was being slagged off by Scholes and the media (and lets not forget this place was doing it ALOT). Just a quick google finds several.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/paul-pogba-jose-mourinho-einsteins-9094387

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1FT23A

https://www.90min.com/posts/5983678...he-same-responsibilities-as-man-utd-teammates

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-bt-sport-interview-bournemouth-a8311641.html

 

[Rolaholic]

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, players will have no problem throwing jabs back if their manager does it in public.

Exactly,seeing all this criticism about having the clubs business out in the open yet the first person who started airing out their gripes/dirty laundry out in public was the manager himself...

Shouldn't be surprised one bit when the rest of the club (I.e board and players) follow suit given how that is seemingly the managers preferred method of sending a message

 

[Shark]

I worry about some of you people, incredibly selective memories.

Jose stuck by Pogba and came out in public defence of him constantly over the last two seasons when he was being slagged off by Scholes and the media (and lets not forget this place was doing it ALOT). Just a quick google finds several.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/paul-pogba-jose-mourinho-einsteins-9094387

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1FT23A

https://www.90min.com/posts/5983678...he-same-responsibilities-as-man-utd-teammates

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-bt-sport-interview-bournemouth-a8311641.html

Plus, he only dropped him when it got really bad, when Pogba was playing absolutely terrible, when he would have been in his rights to drop him sooner. The idea that Jose has thrown Pogba under the bus is absolutely moronic. The way a lot of fans are going on, you’d swear Pogba has been outstanding for us and Jose is trying to sabotage him.

 

[Kapardin]

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Jose is angry and confused?

Plus, he only dropped him when it got really bad, when Pogba was playing absolutely terrible, when he would have been in his rights to drop him sooner. The idea that Jose has thrown Pogba under the bus is absolutely moronic. The way a lot of fans are going on, you’d swear Pogba has been outstanding for us and Jose is trying to sabotage him.

True. Few managers would back Pogba the way Jose did.

Tbh, this screams of Raiola's meddling. Jose using Mkhi as a make-weight for Alexis pissed off Raiola proper and he's been trying to instigate Pogba and hawking him to other clubs since then.

 

[Ciedre]

So every player who has problem with manager can do this kind of shit in media?

I don't get it, why is it so much worse when a player does it compared to when the manager does it?

 

[Andycoleno9]

I don't get it, why is it so much worse when a player does it compared to when the manager does it?

Because manager is the boss. When manager is not a boss then you have anarchy.

 

[Volumiza]

I don't get it, why is it so much worse when a player does it compared to when the manager does it?

Neither should do it.

 

[Revan]

Because manager is the boss. When manager is not a boss then you have anarchy.

The boss started blaming the others, including his own boss.