Caretaker discussion

[Josep Dowling]

Poch only recently signed a 6 year deal with Spurs, it's highly unlikely he is going to jump ship this year or even the next.

Madrid, with all their lure and appeal, could not persuade him. What makes you think United could do any better given the circumstances?

Money talks in football. I truly believe if you offered him the right amount of money he would leave. And provided he was given a healthy transfer budget as well. Something Spurs won’t be able to do for a number of years with the new stadium. They will just go stagnant.

We also don’t know how strongly Real wanted him as a manager.

All I know is he’s working miracles on a net spend of £30m over his tenure at the club. He had done a superb job with Southampton before that. His style of football is everything I want to see by Manchester United

There is Klopp and Guardiola, both of which can never manage this club for obvious reasons. Then there is Poch.

All the other top managers in the world plays a defensive style to Mourinho. Zidane had arguably the best front 3 in world football, with the best CM in the world along with the best CB and LB in the world. I’m not saying his job was easy but there is nothing to suggest he can rebuild a United team as he quit before the rebuild job was required at Real.

He fits the mold as a United manager. I don’t buy the notion he has to win a trophy. Spurs should not be competing for trophies at all, it’s like people forget how poor Spurs were before he arrived. I would be fascinated to see what he could do with a much bigger budget.

 

[Giant Midget]

Who's going to hire the DoF?

Otherwise yeah I agree with you.

Hiring a DOF to me only works if he’s not working for Woodward. We need to separate his job into focusing on off-the-pitch commercial aspects only, and create a new role for the footballing side.

Otherwise it just adds another layer and I donor see any point to it.

 

[Lentwood]

The problem with the Mourinho appointment was that it was never a good fit for the club

I’ve always been a Jose fan since the day he knocked us out the CL with Porto. I can’t help but admire serial winners. The problem is his playing style is at odds with what people want to see from Manchester Utd and the fact that he had been “the enemy” for too long meant that there were always going to be large percentage of tribal knobheads who would never accept him

The next manager (let’s face it - we are finishing outside top 4 this year and Jose will go) needs to be a lacky. He needs to be someone willing to accept the Boards vision of bargain basement buys and Youth development. He needs to be someone happy with finishing 3rd/4th every year with the odd cup semi final thrown in. He needs to be someone willing to tolerate the mediocre and pander to the ego. He needs to be willing to shop in Burnley, Swansea and Milton Keynes rather than the expensive Continental outlets of Monaco, Madrid and Berlin. He needs to be someone willing to keep his mouth shut when the Board decide a money spinning tour of Outer Mongolia a week before the start of the PL season is the best preparation for a campaign. He needs to be someone who is willing to put the commercial interests of the club before the footballing interest. He needs to be someone happy to be a “friend” of the pampered players rather than a boss.

Either than or we need 12 million new fans who see this shite for what it really is

 

[dave1956]

Difficult because if you look at the Board of Directors and then look at the Management Board who actually run the club, there is no one from a footballing background, we have the 2 eldest Glazer brothers, then woodward and the Chief Financial Director.

 

[Random Task]

Money talks in football. I truly believe if you offered him the right amount of money he would leave. And provided he was given a healthy transfer budget as well. Something Spurs won’t be able to do for a number of years with the new stadium. They will just go stagnant.

We also don’t know how strongly Real wanted him as a manager.

All I know is he’s working miracles on a net spend of £30m over his tenure at the club. He had done a superb job with Southampton before that. His style of football is everything I want to see by Manchester United

There is Klopp and Guardiola, both of which can never manage this club for obvious reasons. Then there is Poch.

All the other top managers in the world plays a defensive style to Mourinho. Zidane had arguably the best front 3 in world football, with the best CM in the world along with the best CB and LB in the world. I’m not saying his job was easy but there is nothing to suggest he can rebuild a United team as he quit before the rebuild job was required at Real.

He fits the mold as a United manager. I don’t buy the notion he has to win a trophy. Spurs should not be competing for trophies at all, it’s like people forget how poor Spurs were before he arrived. I would be fascinated to see what he could do with a much bigger budget.

I hear you. Poch is my first choice too (I think he is for most people to be fair) but I just cannot see him leaving Spurs so soon after signing a new contract. I think managers should be more respectful of the contracts they sign by honouring them as long as possible, especially if they expect the players they wish to manage to do the same. Lead by example and all that.

 

[foolsgold]

Both never managed a first team squad, very young and have very little experience between them. We'd need someone with way more authority to get this lot playing decent football again.

Nah, we need someone that can set the team free, Jose has stature and authority but is failing

 

[Aresma7]

I hear you. Poch is my first choice too (I think he is for most people to be fair) but I just cannot see him leaving Spurs so soon after signing a new contract. I think managers should be more respectful of the contracts they sign by honouring them as long as possible, especially if they expect the players they wish to manage to do the same. Lead by example and all that.

On the contrary they should also consider moving to a bigger club with higher salary and all that when the chance comes around. Just like a player would. Everybody has ambitions he’s been at the club for a long time...

 

[peridigm]

Wenger. There is no one else available.

Moyes?

I’ll get my coat.

 

[forevrared]

Wenger. There is no one else available.

Currently available managers with experience at a big club: Wenger, Conte, Bosz, Blanc, Mihajlovic (debatable), Montella

Curently available managers with Premiership experience: Bilic, Allardyce, De Boer, Pardew, Di Matteo


Obviously no one from column B is anywhere close to good enough. Of column A, I think only Conte and Blanc are suited for a caretaker role.

 

[Canagel]

Arsene Wenger. Laugh if you like. It's like Apollo joining Rocky.

At least we will be entertaining.

 

[JMack1234]

Just imagine if we got Wenger as a caretaker....my god. I don't think Mourinho is that close to going. They didn't sack Moyes or LVG at the beginning or middle of the season so I don't see it happening with Mourinho. If it was to happen in the next few months, things will of gone so badly that we'll probably just appoint Carrick as a caretaker. After all, the Prem is so unequal that if Woodward appointed me we'd finish about 10th.

If does get to the point where we'd need to get a popular ex-player in to manage us for a few months i'd honestly go for Gary Neville despite his Valencia episode.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Ed Woodward should not be in charge of wiping his own arse. Get rid.

 

[dave1956]

I always thought that being given the opportunity and honour of pulling on a Utd., shirt you were playing for the club not the manager. So perhaps we do not need a caretaker manager, but get rid of those over pampered players who think having pulled on the shirt for huge amounts of wages and all the perks that go with it do not need to put effort into training, the match and fall apart when justly criticised for poor attitude or performance.
Perhaps those players who do not agree with the manager's training or management approach should be open about it and leave, but we know they will not do that because they risk a financial penalty if they do.
I am really tired of this recent generation of Utd., players who kiss the badge etc., then through the media, tweeter, and agents complain that they are not happy at the club for one reason or another.
Perhaps it is time for the board to make a stand against these play(s) and point out to them that they are actually employees of the club and that if they do not agree with their working conditions and contracts of employment, then they should look elsewhere for employment. However, we all know that this will not happen it is easier for the board to sack the manger and retain the dross.

 

[TheReligion]

Chelsea have sacked manager Jose Mourinho seven months after he led them to the Premier League title.

The 52-year-old Portuguese had been in his second spell at the club, taking charge in June 2013.

Chelsea finished eight points clear last season and won the League Cup, but have lost nine of their 16 league games so far and are 16th in the table, one point above the relegation places.

Mourinho's final match was Monday's 2-1 defeat at leaders Leicester City.

We are three games in dude. Why so dramatic?

 

[fallengt]

Andrea Berta as Sporting director then tell him to hire Leonardo Jardim as manager if our board had a single clue what they're doing.
Then Woodward can fecking retire for all I care. Football wise, he's clearly dragging the club down.

 

[deafepl]

I don't think Ed Woodward hired any of managers but surely it is the board's decisions. If the board are unhappy with Jose, they would tell Ed Woodward to sack him.

 

[Castia]

Can’t blame him for Moyes that had nothing to do with him. Infact fair play he had the balls to sack him when most people thought Uniteds traditions would buy him time and probably another year minimum.

LvG wasn’t great i’ll admit that but you can see why he hired Jose he’s one of the games best ever managers. We knew the type of football he’d produce but probably thought we just needed to get back to winning ways after LvG/Moyes.

If you did a poll at the time I think 80%+ would have been for Jose getting the job (of those managers who were available)

 

[liamp]

Let the rest of the entire board, SAF and some of the legends together take that call. Anyone but Woody.

So a group of people who are similarly inexperienced with football operations and/or a group of people who are staunchly against the idea of a DoF and played/managed in an era where a DoF would've been unheard of.

 

[Raoul]

Ed is the only common denominator for our post-Fergie mediocrity.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

Ed is the only common denominator for our post-Fergie mediocrity.

Amen. Ed Woodward should not be at the club anymore. Period.

I still can't believe he undermined Jose's position this summer. 'Support the Manager' was the mantra under Sir Alex. It worked for a reason.

 

[Raoul]

Amen. Ed Woodward should not be at the club anymore. Period.

I still can't believe he undermined Jose's position this summer. 'Support the Manager' was the mantra under Sir Alex. It worked for a reason.

I don't mind if he stays at the club and does what he's apparently good at - negotiate branding and sponsorship deals. He shouldn't be anywhere near anything football related.

 

[JonDahl]

Ed is the only common denominator for our post-Fergie mediocrity.

Fellaini... /s

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

The feck?

Mou and LvG were and are top managers. Just bad luck they can't do the job here.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The feck?

Mou and LvG were and are top managers. Just bad luck they can't do the job here.

We hired them when they're clearly no longer top managers though.

Woodward should have zero say on anything football related going forward. Clearly he's out of his depth.

 

[JonDahl]

The feck?

Mou and LvG were and are top managers. Just bad luck they can't do the job here.

Yes. Moyes wasn’t really his decision, let’s be honest. New job, big shoes to fill, big pressure to continue success - of course he’s going to listen to people advising him (football men).

Most of the fans were happy when LvG was appointed and the same with Mourinho. Lots of pointless hindsight going on here.

 

[sam147]

We hired them when they're clearly no longer top managers though.

Woodward should have zero say on anything football related going forward. Clearly he's out of his depth.

Are you kidding? Jose is one of the best managers in world football. Look at what he won with the current squad. No other manager would've finished 2nd last season with this team. The real issue is Woodward needs to stop hiring managers that dont fit into the glazers plans. LVG wanted players like Hummels, Strootman, Muller and Neymar. However, he was pisspoor with the squad he had. Jose did great with the disjointed squad he was given. However, now he wanted to complete it with signings like Alderweireld, Perisic and Mandzukic but the board failed to back him. All because of resale value. They already suck the club dry and now they are worried about resale value. The real issue is hiring the manager that fits with the new plan 'buying a developing younger players'. The board will be happy with top 4 and investing into young players. Therefore, either we need an unlikely change of direction or we need a manager to fit with that custom such as Jardim. That does not make Jose 'past it'.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Are you kidding? Jose is one of the best managers in world football. Look at what he won with the current squad. No other manager would've finished 2nd last season with this team. The real issue is Woodward needs to stop hiring managers that dont fit into the glazers plans. LVG wanted players like Hummels, Strootman, Muller and Neymar. However, he was pisspoor with the squad he had. Jose did great with the disjointed squad he was given. However, now he wanted to complete it with signings like Alderweireld, Perisic and Mandzukic but the board failed to back him. All because of resale value. They already suck the club dry and now they are worried about resale value. The real issue is hiring the manager that fits with the new plan 'buying a developing younger players'. The board will be happy with top 4 and investing into young players. Therefore, either we need an unlikely change of direction or we need a manager to fit with that custom such as Jardim. That does not make Jose 'past it'.

Jose USED to be one of the best managers in world football.

He no longer is.

Most of his signings are also turning out to be failures.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Jose USED to be one of the best managers in world football.

He no longer is.

Most of his signings are also turning out to be failures.

He was when we signed him.

 

[Seij]

Amen. Ed Woodward should not be at the club anymore. Period.

I don't see this ever happening long as he continues to get us sponsors and fill the Glazers' pockets.

 

[sam147]

Jose USED to be one of the best managers in world football.

He no longer is.

Most of his signings are also turning out to be failures.

Pogba, Lukaku, Matic were 3 of our main players last season. Freds played 3 games in the PL. Bailly has only had one really bad game and is 23-24? Dalot we havent seen yet. Ibrahimovic won us plenty of games and a trophy. Lingard rose from a player who couldnt play for championship teams to an actual decent player. Martial and Rashford had their best seasons under him. Lindelof when he was purchased was labeled as a 'cheap option' so clearly a decision made by the board rather than Jose. Finished 2nd last season with a worse squad than Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs. Most points and goals since Sir Alex. Do you have any factual claims or do you just choose to spout your sh*te opinion like its gospel?

 

[Morpheus 7]

Andrea Berta as Sporting director then tell him to hire Leonardo Jardim as manager if our board had a single clue what they're doing.
Then Woodward can fecking retire for all I care. Football wise, he's clearly dragging the club down.

That would be such a step forward, makes sense and would show actual vision and ambition. Shame Ed and the Glazers have none. You know it will be let's scramble for Zidane in April when top 4 is mathematically gone. Then a summer of bullshit transfer links for a marquee signing to make it all better #clueless

 

[JK-27]

The problem we have is that Ed Woodword is the problem. And the person making the decisions on how to fix the problem is Ed Woodword. Not exactly going to sack himself is he.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He was when we signed him.

He near had Chelsea(or he did) in the relegation zone when he got sacked.

I don't think he was at that time.

 

[The_Midfielder]

conte

 

[Coach V]

I know there are Woodward threads out there, but this is one key thing that should not happen, IMO. We judge managers by how they play, who they sign, and what they win. Why shouldn't we do the same for Woodward? If Mourinho is deemed incapable of taking the club forward as manager, then so should be Woodward, at least for the footballing side of things. This is HIS report card:

Moyes: F (Worst Manager at a top club. Ever.)
Wasted 70m on Mata and Fellaini. Finished 7th. Won jack shit.

Van Gaal: C- (Terrible football, terrible signings, no soul)
Romero, Shaw, Herrera and Martial were all good signings for a king's ransom of 120m. But that's about it. Woody let LVG waste another 180m on sub-par players like Blind, Rojo, Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Darmian as well as princely wages for Schweinsteiger, Falcao and Valdes. Finished 4th and 5th. Embarrassed ourselves in the CL. Won a consolation prize in the FA cup. NONE of this 180m+wages actually helped us in any way at all. Neither did the unprofessional way in which Woody sacked LVG.

Mourinho: C (Defensive, disjointed, safety first football)
Woody seemed to back Mourinho so far, with 90m on Pogba, 70m on Lukaku, 80m for Fred/Matic, 40m for Mkhi, along with 70m on Bailly and Lindelof. Mou won the Europa League to keep us in the CL, and then finished 2nd behind a rampaging City. But once the CBs didn't look like they could make it, and an underperforming Mkhi has now been replaced with an underperforming Alexis, Woody seems to have changed his mind halfway, and neither sacked Mourinho nor backed him. If Mou is sacked, it will be partly be Woodward's fault, too. Like Gary Neville said, you don't leave a house three quarters built and leave it unfinished.

None of the managers play with United's traditions of attractive attacking football. The only one of the lot who had the board's full unwavering support was the one who wasted the most amount of money, and was booted out unceremoniously. And the one who deserved the most backing has been left out to hang and dry, and die a slow painful death instead of being sacked.

Woody has no idea how to hire managers. Or who to purchase. His obsession for Galacticos has hurt the club one too many times. His lack of footballing knowledge is plainly apparent. His inability to get transfers done efficiently is all too known. He might have been making us successful off the pitch, but he's responsible for the mess on it. His uncertainty over summer is an absolute sackable offense.

Kick Woody off football business. Get a DoF in who knows the club and the way we want to do things, and let that fella have full control over managers, philosophies, transfers and vision. Till you find that DoF, stay with Mourinho, and back him as much as you can. Once you get that DoF, go back to the money side of things and leave the football to someone who knows it, instead of fecking up the club more and more every season. And don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Completely agree with this post. Kick Woody of football decisions.

 

[Bastian]

This. It felt like his team tonight anyway. Very different set up that had Carricks fingerprints all over it.

Jesus Christ.

 

[whatwha]

Why are we even talking about this? He's not getting sacked before Christmas no matter what.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

I don't mind if he stays at the club and does what he's apparently good at - negotiate branding and sponsorship deals. He shouldn't be anywhere near anything football related.

Yes, that's a fair assessment.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

The problem we have is that Ed Woodword is the problem. And the person making the decisions on how to fix the problem is Ed Woodword. Not exactly going to sack himself is he.

Not quite. Chief Executives are hired and fired by the Board of Directors.

Ed is the only common denominator for our post-Fergie mediocrity.

Thank you.

 

[simplyared]

Martinez is the perfect fit for our club. I've been saying it for ages.