I'm not saying that we are going to get a result, only that they are not likely to be at their best.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I'm not sure they will and they've shown themselves to be vulnerable when they attack loads anyway. They're a worry, and might not be far off winning the PL if they carry on and improve but I don't think it'll be this season personally. Alternatively they could do a proper Liverpool and lose their best player or two, and it's just their usual bi-decennial surge with nothing to show for it.
Still not first
Wet grass and no wind!
I'm measuring it up with the hype pre-season and yeah, compared to the hype they have been.
Think Napoli have a reasonable chance of getting a result at Anfield. They were comfortably the better team in Naples. Hopefully Carlo can do the biz.
Think Utd could do a lot worse than having a look at some of Napoli’s players (and Lyon’s for that matter) - both done well against England’s best...
Think Utd could do a lot worse than having a look at some of Napoli’s players (and Lyon’s for that matter) - both done well against England’s best...
People always get a little too dizzy when a club makes multiple big signings, it's happened with United a lot over the years.
League wise they've done very well, kept the pace with City and been extremely consistent. The CL is tough and very dependent on luck, form etc so I try not to judge too much based on it.
Tbh, we (United) finished second last season and most can agree we were utter shite for the best part so it's no great achievement. Being second is fine in November but looking at them, I really don't see them keeping a decent pace with City - who look a much better side - come May. They might finish second, but I can't see them winning anything major bar maybe the FA Cup (like all the decent sides could). To me, that's not what most - on here anyway - were saying only a few months ago.
That's only last year mate
Saw the Netherlands vs Slovakia in May this year, and I came to the conclusion that Hamsik might genuinely be a better player than Pogba in many ways. It was just a meaningless friendly, but some of the things he did were extremely good.
Jürgen Klopp literally is a C-list actor himself, he's box office when Liverpool lose though. Good to see that some people are now starting to realise that their Champions League run last year was a massive fluke more than anything, though the bottle job in the final in typical Klopp fashion wasn't a coincidence.
Last season Liverpool was much better in CL and Utd was much better in the league, yet people were rightfully saying Pool is the better side. CL is a great yard stick because it puts you out of your comfort zone into unsual situations, against really good opponents. Napoli and PSG are very good, but Red Star has been underestimated big time and winning away in Belgrad is probably harder than winning at most places away in the PL.
Of course League form shows consistency which CL fails to recognize, but I think it is less about luck than most people want to say because the hipster side of the month couldn‘t hack it there. Not saying you are doing that btw., more of a general observation.
It's a handfuls of games away from being the second longest unbeaten run at home in the Premier league (don't think Chelseas will ever be beaten).That's only last year mate
There's nothing wrong with backing your team, just don't look like a bumbling idiot when doing it by spouting falsehoods.
PSG players did not dive anymore than the Liverpool players tackles warranted. Neymar was obviously being targeted using Milner who committed multiple yellow card challenges on him without punishment.
Klopp had a very legitimate complaint to make, in that Veratti was immune to being sent off. Not only did he make a legbreaking tackle but he also made more than enough fouls to get a second yellow. If the ref had any bottle PSG would have been down to 10 men with one of their best players sent off, Liverpool could have gotten something out of the game if the game was officiated properly.
So both teams should have been down to 10 men? Milner from 2 yellows and Veratti from a leg breaking tackle which, I presume, (hopefully), didn't break anyone's leg so therefore it wasn't a leg breaking tackle.
I wish people would read through what they post before posting.
Second place just means being the first of the losers. It is ok if you win some and get second sometimes else. Spending hundreds of millions to win NOTHING and get just one CL final is not enough and I would never prefer it to winning a EL
Shows you he was right about some of them not all.
Scholars of the game like myself told you long before the season started that Keita wouldn’t be what you thought he was, and that there would be problems in the midfield due to the new signings.
All I can think of about klopp this season is that he’s throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.
If TAA was injured then pleases discard this comment, but in what world was the decision to put Joe Gomez at right back a good one? To counter Neymar and mbappes pace? They played around him with ease. If Neymar is on form it doesn’t matter who the right back is, so at least have a player in there who is used to the offensive side of that role like TAA. It was a truly baffling decision having both Gomez and Lovren where they were last night.
The obsession is frightening man.
He still doesn't know what his best midfield is.
His faith in the 'workers' like Milner and Henderson has cost us in Europe this season.
His faith in the 'workers' like Milner and Henderson has cost us in Europe this season.
One thing I think when I watch you is that your midfielders do need to be workers to accomadate just how high up Mane and Salah play. You play with 3 strikers in my slightly ignorant view (I don't watch you every week). It does make me laugh when people say Salah gets all his goals from the wing.
I don't think Klopp got his tactics wrong yesterday really, that quick front three to play quick counter attacks was the way to play against a PSG side who had to come out and win at home.
The problem was PSG started the game superbly and got an early goal. If you'd seen out the first 25-30 minutes at 0-0 it would have been a different game.
The game last night was similar to our game at Old Trafford last season. The early goals really helped us last season, we'd have toiled without them and you'd have been able to start using the space in the 2nd half as we would have had to push to win at home.
The thing is that it's not the first time I've been frustrated with our midfield this season.
It's happening every time we play a good side. The opposition is able to use their quality to get the better of our midfield due to the lack of quality we have in there. Wijnaldum, Milner, Henderson, Fabinho, Keita. None of those players can control midfield or dictate a game in the way that someone like Silva or Jorginho are capable of doing.
Signing Fekir would've helped us link it all together possibly.
But would Fekir work as hard and help close the spaces out wide? The two wide in your middle three help out their full backs, that is an essential role for them because your two wide front players don't go far back. That's why Milner is fantastic for this system.
That's why Klopp is reluctant to play 4-2-3-1 against better teams and include Shaqiri as a 10 because there would either be too much strain on your holding two or you'd have to ask Salah and Mane to play deeper which negates their threat as they are both immense in behind.
I don't know Fekir that well so maybe he's a workhorse but Liverpool play what I would call a proper 4-3-3 (not the bullshit 4-3-3 some play which is more a 4-3-2-1) and in a 4-3-3 your middle three has to work.
If you could find a De Bruyne clone, you'd be in business.
A lot of points being made about United being shite when criticising Liverpool... United's season is a write-off so you can bet your b*llocks to a barndance I will enjoy any Liverpool losses this season, particularly when a lot of their fans really believe they'll win something significant this season. I see Liverpool supporting mates ripping into United on social media every week, it appears to have come out of the woodwork this year. I might not enjoy United's season but I'll be damned if anyone dares take away my enjoyment of Liverpool's failures this season (few as they've been), and their over all strangeness as a club. Hate them.
Which is this fair play table he's talking about?
Don’t think any faith in Milner is unjustified. Potentially your player of the season so far.
This is all great and everything, but the fact of the matter is that you've lost 3 of 5 in the CL this season, and have only kept one clean sheet.
You need to beat Napoli 1-0 or by 2 clear goals. You've beaten two teams 1-0 this season, and you've beaten 7 teams by 2 clear goals. The teams you beat 1-0 are 12th placed Brighton and 15th placed Huddersfield, and the teams you beat by 2 clear goals are 20th placed Fulham, 19th placed Cardiff, 18th placed Southampton, 16th placed Crystal Palace, 14th placed West Ham, with the best of the bunch being either 9th placed Watford, or Red Star Belgrade.
You've played Spurs, Chelsea, City and Arsenal this season, who are more comparable to Napoli than any of those listed above, and your results are an away win by a single goal at Spurs, and three draws. Napoli have only lost twice this season in all competitions, and haven't lost since a trip to Juve in September.
I get that you all buy into this "special European night at Anfield" stuff, but any way you look at it, the odds are stacked against you.
Being second in the league is hardly an overwhelming achievement, not least when you consider their transfer expenditure last summer.
Need I remind you of United's triumph over Juventus in Turin?
This is where I stand as well. It's the first time in a while where Liverpool are ahead of United. The amount of arrogance their supporters have when they are doing well is unbearable.
Worth noting this is the same club that openly defended a player proven to have racially abused another, regularly bit other players and was generally a cheat. Can't have it both ways, Liverpool.
It's difficult to challenge on two fronts.
Amongst all of the noise, we've still had our best start to a PL season ever and are a home win away from qualifying from the CL group of death. Not like we haven't won games like that before at Anfield.
Amongst all of the noise, we've still had our best start to a PL season ever and are a home win away from qualifying from the CL group of death. Not like we haven't won games like that before at Anfield.
Oh dear god it really fecking is. They all came out of the woodwork during their nearly season under Rodgers but thankfully plenty from that era are banned. I mean, the overwhelming majority of United fans acknowledge we are utter shite and Jose has to go, so using us as any kind of yardstick whatsoever means feck all. The fact is, their fans were oh so optimistic during the summer that they would win something big this season but that looks highly unlikely, to me anyway. Another tropheyless season for Klopp should spell danger considering how much he has now spent, but since Klopp has brainwashed all Liverpool fans they'll never grow restless under him.
Might be the 'xF' table, based on the number of obvious red card/ yellow card offences and the cards that are awarded.
Although it could be the alternate table, where even though you could be the dirtiest team in the league, you are somehow top of the table as you were 'expected' to get lots of cards in certain games
Saying that, it could be the 'top six' fair play, where all cards against non-top 6 opposition are discounted
P.S. I've just realised it could also be the fair play table for a pre-season tournament, which sounds vaguely like a Premier League trophy
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fairnesstabelle/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?saison_id=2017
Klopp's growing list of worldly accomplishments continues to impress.
Alternative League Table winners, Most Passionate Team and now Fairest Team in the League as well.
The man is relentless.
Klopp has not brainwashed anyone. What do you suggest we do if we don't win anything this season? Do you honestly believe there is anyone out there, let alone anyone who'll be available next Summer, that would do better with our squad than Klopp currently is, i.e. right behind City without a single loss in the league? I don't want us to sack our manager for the sake of it, and I don't see how it would improve us at all.
For what it's worth the bolded bit is not true imo, at least not for RedCafe Liverpool fans. Most United fans were heaping pressure on us that this season would be a failure if we didn't win anything and most of us said that we don't expect to win anything because City is so good and there are several team on the continent which are better than us as well.
They seem to have lost their zip this season. The thing that made them so dangerous in Europe. Better suited for a league campaign but bad luck for them they're up against a dominant City team.
This.
City have raised the bar to a level we'll probably never reach. We'd have to completely smash our best ever PL points tally to do so.
This sums it up pretty well.
We're a joke now, too.
Haven't really seen that chaos you produced last season, the type which ripped City & Roma apart. Now you seem to be looking for more efficency. Is this intentional from Klopp to try and bridge the points gap on City? Maybe thinking his hyper pressing can't be maintained on all fronts?
He didn't say it was an overwhelming achievement, he was pointing out us being 2nd wasn't "massively Underwhelming". What Mourinho is doing is massively underwhelming if you consider his transfer expenditure during his tenure at United.
City are exactly where everyone expected them to be, at the top.
Mourinho has proven to be a huge disappointment this season and he will be sacked before long.
The hugely disappointing Mourinho has still managed to win more trophies than the saviour of Merseyside, Jurgen Klopp. That says more about Klopp than it does Mourinho.