Listen to the great man...
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And Jose bought Matic, Fred and Pogba for nearly £190. One is shite, one doesn't play and one is inconsistent.Pep inherited de Bruyne, Fernandinho and David Silva in midfield. Jose inherited Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin and Fellaini. Wonder why we had to invest in CM...
Way past trying to understand people defending him tbh.I honestly don't even get the attraction of defending him anymore. He's so obviously a spent force, with absolutely nothing to give to the world of football, let alone to a club like ours.
This is partly why we're also so slow to sack managers. Fergie wasn't perfect. He was the best.Listen to the great man...
City were not what they were until they splashed on the defence. Anyway, all the information is there, still people ignore what the two managers inherited and how it affects how they invested in the team. Really dont want to get into it again.And Jose bought Matic, Fred and Pogba for nearly £190. One is shite, one doesn't play and one is inconsistent.
Pep bought Ilkay Gundogun, Bernardo Silva as added depth. City bought well. We haven't bought enough!
Pep has spent 600m on his side. Jose has spent 350ish million....
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Those are your own quotes just a few posts separating them too. So when someone brings up Pogba and Lukaku's amount of money, it's not about the amount. But it's about the individual amount when it comes to defenders as it's in Pep's favor.
For fecksake I'm not debating why we are where we are. I'm just saying Mourinho can't spend how Pep spent overall. Some guy had claimed otherwise.I understand why this may be the reason that Jose can't win the league - but to be coming 8th or something after spending that much is appalling. No one really complained all that much about city winning the league over us - hate to say it; that's because they are a better team, with a better coach, with a better budget and a better players - not just one single way they are better than us; there is many. However - why are we so low now and against teams that hardly improved from the season before where we ended up 2nd?
Why has Jose ended up in his traditional 3rd year melt down at United? Even if he was not backed - why must a team he managed to get 2nd place out of now not be able to reach the same or similair again?
Liverpool have hardly improved that much on their first team basis with fabinho, keita, shaqiri barely getting a game. Spurs didnt spend anythiing. Arsenal look better due to the manager than a particular spending on player. Chelsea dont look as strong as they can be with me so far being disappointing with their goal keeper, seeing, kante seems slightly mismanaged, Morata is still not that good etc etc
Why are we going from a team that was 2nd to a team that find it to beat very basic teams? How is that got anything to do with a defender we never had in the first place?
Maybe that's true, but he doesn't need Pep money to be competitive.For fecksake I'm not debating why we are where we are. I'm just saying Mourinho can't spend how Pep spent overall. Some guy had claimed otherwise.
Oh Sterling was quality now in 2015? This is why United supporters make me laugh. Well he inherited a better defence a team with the same league points, same amount of wins too. Seems ‘pretty’ equal to me. He then had the budget to buy Italy’s and Germany’s player of the year. Did Pep have that budget first season?and who did Mourinho inherit that were the equivalent of de bruyne, david silva, aguero, kompany, fernandinho and sterling?
Many of those guys still form the spine of the current team.
Pep started of with a better squad that were more suited to his style and bought more players that made it better. Even without spending so much, City had a PL competitive squad.
Mourinho inherited a lesser squad with no quality core players and had to first get rid of LvG players that were antithetical to his style.
There is really no comparison to Pep's luxury for any other PL team.
Don’t sway off topic he just wants to know if Pep had more money than Jose. That’s it.Maybe that's true, but he doesn't need Pep money to be competitive.
This squad is a good squad, but he's not making the best of it. We struggle to score goals because we have zero attacking input in training, that much is clear.
We don't have intelligent attackers, they need guidance. Lukaku / Rashford / Lingard have great records for their national teams so saying they're bad players doesn't count.
Unfortunately I see this as a damaged relationship, the love has gone and we're just hanging on for reputations sake now, trying to work on something that isn't fixable.
You only named one CM. Ther rest Pep converted to CM. So your argument is shot. He actually inherited Fernandinho, Fernando and Yaya Toure. He might of had James Milner too, I might be wrong. Either way the squad was ageing and done.Pep inherited de Bruyne, Fernandinho and David Silva in midfield. Jose inherited Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin and Fellaini. Wonder why we had to invest in CM...
Do realize that de bruyne and silva weren't midfielders before Pep arrived. They were traditional number 10's but pep arrived and played together in the centre of midfield with another box to box midfielder. Something unheard of in a league considered the most physical.Pep inherited de Bruyne, Fernandinho and David Silva in midfield. Jose inherited Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin and Fellaini. Wonder why we had to invest in CM...
Sacking is 1 thing but I'd prefer more constructive criticism -> Who should follow him?But, but, but he wasn't backed! Mourinho is the only manager who can spend mega bucks and still cry pauper and have fans lap it up. We have overall been pretty average in his tenure. We play a very tepid brand of football where I think the players aren't fully free and that is why you can see us look so unsure until it's desperate times and we have to go gung ho. We need to move on from him as soon as possible and get the feel good factor back at the club.
“They aren’t performing better. We finished above them in the league.”I'm not sure why the need to compare United to only City on spending. Why not compare with other teams who have spent less, pay lower salaries and are still performing better?
Fernandinho was converted too. He was a a box to box player but got moved to DM.You only named one CM. Ther rest Pep converted to CM. So your argument is shot. He actually inherited Fernandinho, Fernando and Yaya Toure. He might of had James Milner too, I might be wrong. Either way the squad was ageing and done.
De Bruyne has the physical capabilities. Also, they are both high quality players period. You can compare that two Jose trying to use Lingard as a number 8, it doesn't make Pep some genius.Do realize that de bruyne and silva weren't midfielders before Pep arrived. They were traditional number 10's but pep arrived and played together in the centre of midfield with another box to box midfielder. Something unheard of in a league considered the most physical.
"Before, the smaller clubs were almost begging the big clubs, ‘Get my best players. I need to sell. Please, you are powerful. Buy my best player’. Now, they don’t want to sell.”http://sportwitness.co.uk/true-world-cup-star-reveals-offer-manchester-united-table/
Perisic wasn't denied to him either, the board did back him. Just that Perisic himself didn't fancy playing for Mourinho
Well, doing so would confirm that Mourinho is a lying, goalpost shifting, heavily underperforming prick, so none of the acolytes will go into that comparison.I'm not sure why the need to compare United to only City on spending. Why not compare with other teams who have spent less, pay lower salaries and are still performing better?
I have only asked that you list the our players Mourinho inherited that were of same quality. If you feel those City players were not of good quality, then it should be quite easy for you to list our equivalent.Oh Sterling was quality now in 2015? This is why United supporters make me laugh. Well he inherited a better defence a team with the same league points, same amount of wins too. Seems ‘pretty’ equal to me. He then had the budget to buy Italy’s and Germany’s player of the year. Did Pep have that budget first season?
Jose could never dream of playing those two together in midfield. Infact he probably scratches his head trying to understand how pep got his midfield to work without any 'presence' or 'height'De Bruyne has the physical capabilities. Also, they are both high quality players period. You can compare that two Jose trying to use Lingard as a number 8, it doesn't make Pep some genius.
That's why I mentioned it as an option from the beginning, people tend to assume that players are always willing to join United. Didn't Maguire signed an extension a couple of weeks after the windows closed? These things take time so there is a fair chance that during the transfer window he wasn't desperate for a move at all.http://sportwitness.co.uk/true-world-cup-star-reveals-offer-manchester-united-table/
Perisic wasn't denied to him either, the board did back him. Just that Perisic himself didn't fancy playing for Mourinho
This sums up my feelings too. Who to replace Jose with if we sack him? The wrong appointment will be potentially worse than keeping Jose, even though we seem to be going backwards under him right now.Sacking is 1 thing but I'd prefer more constructive criticism -> Who should follow him?
And there starts the problem which Bayern currently has; there is no-one suitable on the market. As it seems (Real Madrid - story) that Conte is still bind by Chelsea, Wenger (no comment needed) and which other big names are there who you could achieve winning CL and/or PL in convnincing fashion. I don't see any.
Then man is so toxic can't wait till he leaves - he must be dizzy if he thinks no top player would want to play for us, no top player wants to play for HIM. Perisic and Willian already told him no personally so now he's acting bitter.
Boateng thanked him and said "no thanks" as well.Then man is so toxic can't wait till he leaves - he must be dizzy if he thinks no top player would want to play for us, no top player wants to play for HIM. Perisic and Willian already told him no personally so now he's acting bitter.
Because it’s an easy comparison. City spend the most and are the best.I'm not sure why the need to compare United to only City on spending. Why not compare with other teams who have spent less, pay lower salaries and are still performing better?
Yep. He's spoiling my enjoyment of Manchester United more than his team's performances are.Even if things get worse after Jose, at least we won't have to deal with Jose anymore.
Exactly....Boateng thanked him and said "no thanks" as well.
That's acutally not true regarding De Bruyne (DB). DB played various position back in the day in Wolfsburg, 10, Winger, agressive 8.He was and still is quite ambivalentDo realize that de bruyne and silva weren't midfielders before Pep arrived. They were traditional number 10's but pep arrived and played together in the centre of midfield with another box to box midfielder. Something unheard of in a league considered the most physical.
Afterwards you are always smarter (it's a german expression) but I think Tuchel would be the perfect fit for that job. Bayern were in talks to him too but they decided against him cause Tuchel wanted to sack Ribery & Robben. Maybe Mourinho will finish this season and will be replaced for the 19/20 campaign with someone available then.This sums up my feelings too. Who to replace Jose with if we sack him? The wrong appointment will be potentially worse than keeping Jose, even though we seem to be going backwards under him right now.
Better the devil you know?
Why are comparisons still being made to City? We aren't even in the same stratosphere anymore.I have only asked that you list the our players Mourinho inherited that were of same quality. If you feel those City players were not of good quality, then it should be quite easy for you to list our equivalent.
But then you obviously cant and try to go off tangent to hide the fact.
Gomes in midfieldDo realize that de bruyne and silva weren't midfielders before Pep arrived. They were traditional number 10's but pep arrived and played together in the centre of midfield with another box to box midfielder. Something unheard of in a league considered the most physical.
Don’t hold back, tell us how you are really feeling.Jeez, another pathetic interview whinging about the media, he should be grateful to them, he gets off lightly considering the mind blowing money he's spent and we play the worst football in the top half. Oh, and we're 7th. Sick of his paranoid victim act, sick of the shit football, sick of not winning, hate the bloke and he can't leave soon enough.
People will still somehow blame it on Woodward. The only mistake Woodward is currently making is not sacking Mourinho.http://sportwitness.co.uk/true-world-cup-star-reveals-offer-manchester-united-table/
Perisic wasn't denied to him either, the board did back him. Just that Perisic himself didn't fancy playing for Mourinho
I'd disagree, for me this season is almost identical to his last season at Chelsea. The main difference is the players for the most part are still playing for him, wheres at Chelsea many completely downed tools. I think the Eva situation is arguably one of the main differences there and with Mourinho drama is guranteed so I strongly believe until he goes things are going to get worse.This sums up my feelings too. Who to replace Jose with if we sack him? The wrong appointment will be potentially worse than keeping Jose, even though we seem to be going backwards under him right now.
Better the devil you know?