Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[RedTillI'mDead]

His point still stands, Klopp was massively outgunned by Pep while he was at Dortmund, and concering his Liverpool tenure, since Klopp joined Liverpool, City have spent around 525m, Liverpool 384m. Yes Klopp has still spent a lot, but the City side Pep took over was superior to the side Klopp took over and since then Guardiola has significantly outspent him. It will be impressive if Klopp manages to win the premier league this season against this City side and a world class spender like Guardiola.

Fixed.

Yes the football under Guardiola is impressive, yes he has won a lot of trophies, but to me he hasn't earned the right to be called a world class manager

Barca - inherited best squad in Europe and best young player in Messi that is arguably the best player ever
Munich - the only team of note in Germany when it comes to trophies
City - Have spent obscenely both before he arrived and since.

He didn't win the Champions League with Munich which might have put him on the map as far as I'm concerned, I.e. won a trophy that he didn't just buy or inherit in terms of supreme squad. With City it's less a case of credit if he wins it and more of a slight on him if he doesn't. He has the most expensive squad in world football.

Anyway, just aside rant, but it frustrates me seeing him classified as a world class manager when he hasn't earned the right to not he questioned. Even Ole has done something major with Molde and won them their only top division title. SAF similarly did it in Scotland.

Jose did in in Portugal.

For me it's this start point that can prove the quality and in absence of that its winning outside normal circumstances, e.g. a European Cup with a team who aren't the best, or most expensively assembled.

A Quadruple might stand for something with City, but even then you have to ask if that should just be expected. Who can really stand in the way of their squad. Their second string could beat most teams first xi.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

I swear they’re leaving it down to the United/City game so they can blame United for “throwing it”

Liverpool love blaming everyone and everything else for their failures. And Klopp is no different.

No doubt they will try to mask their 10pt bottling with United’s loss to City.

Having said that, I’d rather United took an absolute battering than see us win them the league. I’d never forgive my club if a win against City awarded these cnuts the Premier League.

A 1-0 loss in this scenario would be ideal. An obvious own goal by Phil Jones would be the icing on the cake.

Not if it loses us top 4

 

[ohhrooney]

So we are suppose to praise Klopp here for turning Liverpool a force and Poch for making Spurs a top 4 team according to rival fans on an United board

Just like Sir Alex was a right old red nosed who owned the FA, the referees and he was a Time Lord chewing a wish fulfilling gum every match. Oh he was praised so much during his tenure.

At least United fans here appreciate the coaching tactics of both of them unlike the past 20 years.

 

[Cascarino]

Fixed.

Yes the football under Guardiola is impressive, yes he has won a lot of trophies, but to me he hasn't earned the right to be called a world class manager

Barca - inherited best squad in Europe and best young player in Messi that is arguably the best player ever
Munich - the only team of note in Germany when it comes to trophies
City - Have spent obscenely both before he arrived and since.

He didn't win the Champions League with Munich which might have put him on the map as far as I'm concerned, I.e. won a trophy that he didn't just buy or inherit in terms of supreme squad. With City it's less a case of credit if he wins it and more of a slight on him if he doesn't. He has the most expensive squad in world football.

Anyway, just aside rant, but it frustrates me seeing him classified as a world class manager when he hasn't earned the right to not he questioned. Even Ole has done something major with Molde and won them their only top division title. SAF similarly did it in Scotland.

Jose did in in Portugal.

For me it's this start point that can prove the quality and in absence of that its winning outside normal circumstances, e.g. a European Cup with a team who aren't the best, or most expensively assembled.

A Quadruple might stand for something with City, but even then you have to ask if that should just be expected. Who can really stand in the way of their squad. Their second string could beat most teams first xi.

Got to disagree with a lot of this mate, to me there's no doubt that Guardiola is a world class manager and currently the best active manager. It's 5:45am here though and I still haven't slept, I'll reply to this in a Guardiola thread at some point soon.

 

[SteveJ]

 

[horsechoker]

2014: Earth
2019: Wind
2024: Fire?

 

[beedoubleyou]

Liverpool absolutely did not take enough risks. They didn't take enough risks last week against a Manchester United side crippled beyond their wildest dreams either.

He knows it and that's why he's made a fool of himself in his press conference.

If they don't win the league, he'll know it then as well.

 

[KM]

"I'm completely fine with chasing," Klopp said. "I watched Match of the Day last night and saw the celebrations of Man City - they had 900 chances and scored one goal, a shot with the wrong foot.

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[Judas]

City are creating too many chances, they'll run out of idea in upcoming matches because of all the goal scoring opportunities they're making now. That's how it works right??

 

[SteveJ]

2014: Earth
2019: Wind
2024: Fire?

 

[B20]

What are Liverpool fans/RAWK etc. saying about his comments?

I am fine with it. He blames the wind on a regular basis - we all know it's blagging and so does he and that's that. Klopp generally generates a lot more discussion on here than on liverpool forums.

It's not like people were surprised when Wenger admitted years later that he did in fact see many of the things he claimed to not see either.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

So many managers just seem to get shirty very easily instead of just answering what could be a slightly interesting question. He's as bad as Jose for it though.

Jose won stuff though. Love him or loathe him, Jose was a winner in his prime and even in his off prime won more than Klopp.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

they're all the same. virgil is salty too.

How Do you 'deserve,' 3 points? You have to earn a win and you have to outscore the opposition!!! Ridiculous point to make

 

[SirAF]

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Shouldn’t he be worried that they are creating 900 chances ? Would be worse if they had scored the only chance they got.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Shouldn’t he be worried that they are creating 900 chances ? Would be worse if they had scored the only chance they got.

He's more worried that they scored with a scuffed shot while forgetting that they've won with questionable decisions.

 

[Ban]

Problem with them is they act like they have a God given right to be champions.

 

[Adisa]

Deidrie is not happy.

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[CA_vampire]

<<<But Klopp said: "Who wants to be top of the table at the beginning of March?">>>

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47436009

That's RAWK material!

 

[christinaa]

Wasn't it the fault of the ball boy ?!

 

[christinaa]

Klopp: ''We deserved to win but the atmosphere at Goodison Park was too loud so our players couldn't concentrate on the game.''

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Problem with them is they act like they have a God given right to be champions.

Actually TBF, they don't! I know loads of Liverpool fans( older gen) who like Utd in the 70s and 80s pre SAF, just want that chance to win the title. It's the hope that kills. Klopp and Rodgers have had excellent opportunities to win the thing but let them down

 

[Treble]

He thinks that it it was important not to lose against us and Everton and at the end of the season he might turn out to be right if they win it by a point or two. At the same time, those 4 draws in 6 games seem to have killed their momentum and it might be difficult to get them going again.

 

[christinaa]

Klopp:

Hugs - 4852
Excuses: 6829
Relegations - 1
Finals Lost: 6 in a row

 

[Treble]

Actually TBF, they don't! I know loads of Liverpool fans( older gen) who like Utd in the 70s and 80s pre SAF, just want that chance to win the title. It's the hope that kills. Klopp and Rodgers have had excellent opportunities to win the thing but let them down

Too early to say that. They are still on course to have their most productive league season in terms of points. Ever.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I'm not saying he's bad but I think you and many in the media are massively underrating the size of Liverpool as a club and what should be achievable with those resources. To have 0 Premier League titles is criminally incompetent and not indicative of what that club can do. Mounting 1 title challenge within 4 seasons (while sacrificing the cups to do so and having just won £150m from a lottery ticket) is perfectly reasonable and not this massive unexpected genius feat that the media makes it out to be.

No one can deny that he (or whoever is really pulling the strings on such matters at Liverpool) has bought well, and that will take you far on player quality alone. But his tactical prowess is massively overrated from a short stint 7-8 years ago when he genuinely brought something new to the table. Something that has subsequently been copied and is now commonplace.

The size of Liverpool as a club is irrelevant, they've never won a Premier League title and when he took over were a total mess and not even a CL side. He only had major resources to spend last january and this summer after the sale of Coutinho, otherwise he never spent big money in comparison to other top 6 clubs. How is selling your star player winning a lottery ticket?

He didn't 'sacrifice cups', they reached a Europa League and CL final during his time in charge, the first English team to even reach a CL final since Chelsea in 2012. He has a poor domestic cup record but two major European finals whilst undertaking a rebuild job is nothing to be sniffed at, his primary task was to re-establish them in the CL, which he did relatively quickly. It's not a 'massive unexpected genius feat', but it is good management and a job well done, and this season delivering a title challenge whilst up against an extremely strong City side is again undeniably impressive.

Maybe it has been copied and maybe tactically he is overrated, but overall as a coach he did a fantastic job at Dortmund and is doing very well at Liverpool too, that's the long and short of it.

 

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[SquishyMcSquish]

He's paid the world record transfer twice you know.

Absolutely, and with that spending came expectations, and he's delivered on those expectations, no?

If he finishes on 90 odd points you can't really ask for more than that. City have spent far more overall on their squad and also boast a world class coach in Guardiola, so to expect a league title under those circumstances would be unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Klopp certainly hasn't worked on a shoestring budget at Liverpool, but he's definitely at a disadvantage when compared to Guardiola, especially since to pay a world record fee for a keeper/cb he had to sell the star asset at the club. City don't need to sell De Bruyne to bring in Laporte and Ederson, they just do it.

 

[Ban]

Actually TBF, they don't! I know loads of Liverpool fans( older gen) who like Utd in the 70s and 80s pre SAF, just want that chance to win the title. It's the hope that kills. Klopp and Rodgers have had excellent opportunities to win the thing but let them down

I meant players and Klopp.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Absolutely, and with that spending came expectations, and he's delivered on those expectations, no?

If he finishes on 90 odd points you can't really ask for more than that. City have spent far more overall on their squad and also boast a world class coach in Guardiola, so to expect a league title under those circumstances would be unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Klopp certainly hasn't worked on a shoestring budget at Liverpool, but he's definitely at a disadvantage when compared to Guardiola, especially since to pay a world record fee for a keeper/cb he had to sell the star asset at the club. City don't need to sell De Bruyne to bring in Laporte and Ederson, they just do it.

They wouldn't expect a league title and he's clearly a good manager but if he ends the season without a trophy that's what? 4 years in and no trophy.

I assume at some point he'll be expected to win something, it's not enough to just keep getting close and falling at the final hurdle.

I know if Ole was 4 years in without a trophy, I'd be getting worried no matter how much I love him.

 

[AceUnited]

ELScousero ended in a draw. The choke factor is showing it's face.
Maybe next year Liverpool, maybe next year.

 

[Judas]

As a club I don't think we'd be all that happy to see a manager go three years without a trophy, that simply wouldn't be good enough. But expectations are different.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Love that Klopp was trumpeting in the run-up that being in pole position means that other teams have all the pressure to keep up.

Now Robertson comes out post-match and says the pressure is definitely off us and all on City now as they are in pole position and have to stay there

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

They wouldn't expect a league title and he's clearly a good manager but if he ends the season without a trophy that's what? 4 years in and no trophy.

I assume at some point he'll be expected to win something, it's not enough to just keep getting close and falling at the final hurdle.

I know if Ole was 4 years in without a trophy, I'd be getting worried no matter how much I love him.

Ole has taken over a better side than Klopp did though, no doubt about that.

I don't think you'd be too disappointed if you were in Liverpool's position when Klopp took over and he took you to a CL final and a genuine title challenge, whilst its always disappointing not to win trophies it's also understandable under the circumstances, especially since Liverpool only really recently have started spending the big money. I think if he also didn't win anything next season, then would be the time to start making a criticism of that, but thus far I do think he's had more of a rebuild job which he's done very well.

 

[christinaa]

Love that Klopp was trumpeting in the run-up that being in pole position means that other teams have all the pressure to keep up.

Now Robertson comes out post-match and says the pressure is definitely off us and all on City now as they are in pole position and have to stay there

You're so right!

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I'd personally feel much more comfortable top .. then you're not the ones having to chase and you know if you make no errors on your end, the title is yours.

Liverpool now are relying on City to drop points. Almost certainly they will, but it's never nice to have something out of your control.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Ole has taken over a better side than Klopp did though, no doubt about that.

I don't think you'd be too disappointed if you were in Liverpool's position when Klopp took over and he took you to a CL final and a genuine title challenge, whilst its always disappointing not to win trophies it's also understandable under the circumstances, especially since Liverpool only really recently have started spending the big money. I think if he also didn't win anything next season, then would be the time to start making a criticism of that, but thus far I do think he's had more of a rebuild job which he's done very well.

No offense but I think as a Spurs fan you're so used to not winning anything you don't seem as bothered when you win nothing. Even as a Utd fan we won nothing last season and it didn't hurt anywhere near as much as winning nothing under Fergie felt because I'm more used to winning nothing now.

He's had good enough money to spend in these 4 years to have won something, and yes he's been very close to that but his cup final record would be something else that would worry me if I was a Liverpool fan.

Although Liverpool have won very little too in recent history so maybe they feel the same way as you.

 

[RobinLFC]

I'd personally feel much more comfortable top .. then you're not the ones having to chase and you know if you make no errors on your end, the title is yours.

Liverpool now are relying on City to drop points. Almost certainly they will, but it's never nice to have something out of your control.

Is it? If they win at Old Trafford I can't see them losing any more points, apart from maaaaybe at Selhurst Park. We have to win our remaining games as well which seems like a daunting task at the moment. At least we've got a couple of easier games coming up right now (on paper, at least).

 

[Irrational.]

The T shirts against the wind are being printed as we speak.

 

[Casanova85]

Bottlers. It's been 30 years since their last league, pressure too high.

 

[Judas]

Still expect both teams to drop points, but obviously only a loon would rather be 2nd than 1st at this point.