RedTillI'mDead
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Fixed.His point still stands, Klopp was massively outgunned by Pep while he was at Dortmund, and concering his Liverpool tenure, since Klopp joined Liverpool, City have spent around 525m, Liverpool 384m. Yes Klopp has still spent a lot, but the City side Pep took over was superior to the side Klopp took over and since then Guardiola has significantly outspent him. It will be impressive if Klopp manages to win the premier league this season against this City side and a world class spender like Guardiola.
Yes the football under Guardiola is impressive, yes he has won a lot of trophies, but to me he hasn't earned the right to be called a world class manager
Barca - inherited best squad in Europe and best young player in Messi that is arguably the best player ever
Munich - the only team of note in Germany when it comes to trophies
City - Have spent obscenely both before he arrived and since.
He didn't win the Champions League with Munich which might have put him on the map as far as I'm concerned, I.e. won a trophy that he didn't just buy or inherit in terms of supreme squad. With City it's less a case of credit if he wins it and more of a slight on him if he doesn't. He has the most expensive squad in world football.
Anyway, just aside rant, but it frustrates me seeing him classified as a world class manager when he hasn't earned the right to not he questioned. Even Ole has done something major with Molde and won them their only top division title. SAF similarly did it in Scotland.
Jose did in in Portugal.
For me it's this start point that can prove the quality and in absence of that its winning outside normal circumstances, e.g. a European Cup with a team who aren't the best, or most expensively assembled.
A Quadruple might stand for something with City, but even then you have to ask if that should just be expected. Who can really stand in the way of their squad. Their second string could beat most teams first xi.