If you do, I'd love to see how much of that evidence is accompanied by initial hostility on the part of the non-Remain voter.
I mean, your posts today came in light of Josep's initial post which can not be described as anything other than bellicose. If that gets peoples backs up is that any surprise?
I've no doubt thats true in some cases, and untrue in others. Every Leave voter in here that I've seen has said things that can only ever be antagonistic. Sometimes that was in response to people belittling them, sometimes it wasn't. I don't think either fault is solely to blame for this specific issue. I think both are unwilling to take responsibility for it, on the whole, and many people on both sides don't give a feck. The demonisation of the other has been very effective so tolerating the other side is now thought to be a dangerous thing, by a significant portion of people on both extremes of the political spectrum, and quite a few people on either side of the centre.
But you calling everyone ignorant is fine. Congratulations.
I think the vast majority of people in here are not ignorant. Many are more tolerant than my average friend or family member. Care to apologise for misrepresenting my view?
Is it really though? Where did the expectation that discourse between people with different ideologies would be friction free come from? Also this sentiment seems to be getting pushed by the same people that are complaining about free speech and outrage culture... To me it just feels artificial and exaggerated at times.
You often hear people complaining about the intolerance/abuse/etc, but then you dig deeper, look over the preceding discussion, and it amounts to nothing more than someone being challenged on their beliefs by someone who is getting fed up by the whole experience.
Anyway I'll await your examples.
I don't think it should be friction free but I think it would be more constructive if the condescension was less prevalent, and the personal attacks were much less frequent.
I'm not part of that bubble that complains about free speech and engages in outrage culture. I think many of those things are as ridiculous as you do. This is just my opinion based on my very limited experience of political discussion in here. It's up to you whether you want to perceive that as part of a wider agenda, fuelled by outrage culture, or whether you just take it at face value as my opinion.
Maybe some of the things that I think are oppressive to the other side, and unconstructive, you think are just people acting fed up by illogical arguments. To be the two are not mutually exclusive. The fact one causes the other, neither justifies the other nor makes it constructive. I don't think my opinion is right, it's just a perception of a complicated issue.
To me it's problematic that people are so confident that their opinion is the right one, on issues that don't have an obvious solution. Going into an argument trying to prove you're right makes it very difficult to have a meaningful discussion.
For example, the post above from Paul is obviously him being fed up of people like me having a different opinion to people like him. I can live with that. However how he chooses to deal with that causes people who hold a different opinion to be less vocal, simply because it's not a discussion that seems worth getting involved in. It is not oppressive - I will give actual examples of that - but it's not constructive either. And it's not designed to be.
People recognise that and understand the message it communicates. It doesn't bother people on Paul's side but it does bother people who aren't on his side. That's the stuff that barely enters your radar because you sympathise with the sentiment, even if you wouldn't express the point in that way.