DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
If City mess up against Spurs then it could be the end of it for them, so yes go out and beat them. If they are still in the title race I will not cry if we lose.
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Had exactly the same argument with a scouser and a city fan at work yesterday, except we used chlamydia and herpes instead.I am certainly not going to tell any one how they should feel or if they should wish to win or lose this match. Each to their own.
You can help us by winning and I perfectly understand why it's a no go for you. Or you can help City by losing and then play your thursday nights next season in Ukraine or wherever you end up. Not to mention digging yourself further into this little crisis of yours.
The real question is.. Do you want syphilis or Gonorrhea?
Better than the embarrassment of celebrating the "top 4 trophy" while the Scouse are picking up the league title.Look after number 1, which is ourselves. the irony of pointing and laughing at the Scouse for finishing 2nd when we end up outside of the top 4.
It doesn't boil down to that, I don't think any sane person in here would sacrifice top 4 for Liverpool not winning the league. However, by the time we play City , things could be very different if we lose to Everton and they've beaten Tottenham. Imo if we don't beat Everton this Sunday, we've fecked the top 4 upIn the end of the day it all boils down to the question : is finishing in the top 4 rewarding enough to see Liverpool win their first league title in nearly 3 decades (!)?
To me it isn’t, at all.
“We” as in “Manchester United”It's not us to decide.
And no. City winning the league ain't that bad.
As I said, in current form, yes Arsenal is better than us. They were also better than us earlier in the season. Arsenal also have much easier run in than us. We still have to face City and Chelsea. Unless, we suddenly find form again our chances for TOP 4 is pretty slim.If you truly believe this very average Arsenal team are better than us then we are in serious trouble
Who said anything about celebrating top 4? It's the minimum requirement we expect - simple as. I personally also don't want to be in the Europa League next season as the fixtures are a complete bastard this time of year, takes a lot out of a team with the extra fixtures and short fixture turn-arounds.Better than the embarrassment of celebrating the "top 4 trophy" while the Scouse are picking up the league title.
You guys are both saying the same thing.“We” as in “Manchester United”
It’s common to refer to the team you support as “we” even though we have virtually zero influence over proceedings.
There's no need to worry about ourselves though, so I'm not going to. Top 4 isn't going to make much difference to our short-term future. If we get CL, then good. If not, then we can give the kids Europa experience and focus properly on the league next season. Too many people seem to regard the top 4 as some sort of holy grail, but then also get stupidly worked up when we get shown up by the best teams in Europe because we simply aren't at a level where we can compete with them right now. The biggest name signings we've made in the past few years, Pogba, Zlatan, Di Maria etc mostly all came in when we had a year of Europa ahead of us, so I'm also not really concerned that missing top 4 will negatively effect our summer business.Who said anything about celebrating top 4? It's the minimum requirement we expect - simple as. I personally also don't want to be in the Europa League next season as the fixtures are a complete bastard this time of year, takes a lot out of a team with the extra fixtures and short fixture turn-arounds.
Getting worked up over the scouse is nonsense as well. Worry about ourselves and not them. Shit happens, worry about ourselves and get on with it.
Spurs, there's more than one.Watched City vs Spur the other day, city was still a superior team.
We're not going to beat them anyway so I won't give a big fuss if we lose. Spur & Arsenal have much easier fixtures than us, I'm coping by lowering my expectation. Season is over for me
It's not us to decide.
And no. City winning the league ain't that bad.
Ah, having re-read it I see that now. Sorry.You guys are both saying the same thing.
I am fearful of the City game. And it's not me fearing us helping Liverpool win the league. They have the ability to do us over with ease on current form.Watched City vs Spur the other day, city was still a superior team.
We're not going to beat them anyway so I won't give a big fuss if we lose. Spur & Arsenal have much easier fixtures than us, I'm coping by lowering my expectation. Season is over for me
Sure Arsenal started out with their kids, and now fielding stronger team as they have gotten so far. Europa fixtures after group stages come quick and fast. You only get a 3 day turn around between Thursday and Sunday. It hammers squads at this stage of the season, we still won’t have the depth required at this stage of the season next year.There's no need to worry about ourselves though, so I'm not going to. Top 4 isn't going to make much difference to our short-term future. If we get CL, then good. If not, then we can give the kids Europa experience and focus properly on the league next season. Too many people seem to regard the top 4 as some sort of holy grail, but then also get stupidly worked up when we get shown up by the best teams in Europe because we simply aren't at a level where we can compete with them right now. The biggest name signings we've made in the past few years, Pogba, Zlatan, Di Maria etc mostly all came in when we had a year of Europa ahead of us, so I'm also not really concerned that missing top 4 will negatively effect our summer business.
/thread.No we don't want to lose to them, but will lose because we're shite.
Re-read what you just wrote.Liverpool is losing against Cardiff, so City can lose against us, so we can get top4. Win, win, and win.
If Spurs drops out of top four and wins CL, the team in 4th doesn't get CL.What happens if 4 English teams make the finals of CL and EL? Does that make the top 4 race irrelevant?
It's more a personal thing than a football decision. I don't give a shit from the football perspective what Liverpool do. But having to deal with the numerous Liverpool fans around me will be fecking shite, they won't shut up about it. Conversely I know only a handful of City fans who for the most part are amicable, and at this point, used to winning.Why would you want to lose to prevent another team from winning? I could give 0 f’s if Liverpool win the league and champions league this season. That’s a great achievement — and may very well be deserved come the end of the season.
We really should not give one feck about how well Liverpool do. If we can’t compete with them or city right now, we need to worry about ourselves. Not worry about who wins besides us. It’s a stupid question and even stupider to consider losing on purpose. If a manager told his players to lose, it would be an insult to any fans watching the game.
Ah makes sense, thanks.If Spurs drops out of top four and wins CL, the team in 4th doesn't get CL.
If Arse and Chelsea make the final of Europa, the winner gets CL, the loser gets nothing.
I'm not saying we should throw the game, just that I won't be sad when we inevitably get outclassed. Failing to get top 4 would be the leftovers of a problem that we've already fixed, Mourinho, so not much point in getting annoyed by it any more.Sure Arsenal started out with their kids, and now fielding stronger team as they have gotten so far. Europa fixtures after group stages come quick and fast. You only get a 3 day turn around between Thursday and Sunday. It hammers squads at this stage of the season, we still won’t have the depth required at this stage of the season next year.
CL is a bigger cash cow, tends to come with more interest and lesser fixture strain. So I’d prefer to give our all and go for it rather than let City walk all over us just so we can ironically laugh at the scouse for falling short.
Top 4 is minimum the club and fans expect. It’s not rewards or celebration, it’s about getting over the line with a target set and benchmark off that for next season.
Cool bud. I’m more commenting on the thread title anyway. My preference is to win all the games we can, whereas others here want us to help City as much as possible, which means potentially lose to City which I don’t agree with at all.I'm not saying we should throw the game, just that I won't be sad when we inevitably get outclassed. Failing to get top 4 would be the leftovers of a problem that we've already fixed, Mourinho, so not much point in getting annoyed by it any more.