Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

[sullydnl]

Spoiler: Interview with John Bradley

. http://collider.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-john-bradley-interview/#poster

Worth a read this - good insight as to what is going to happen with Dany.

That certainly suggests a certain direction the show might go in.

Spoiler: Speculation based on the interview

If the actor who plays Sam (a morally right-on character if ever there was one) is describing his character as seeing Dany as "a psychopath" then that leads credence to the idea that Dany could be re-positioned in that way across the final season.

Having Dany (who from the start was presented as a "hero" character) gradually turn into the villain would also be quite a George R R Martin move.

 

[do.ob]

Spoiler: On the morality of late autumn Westeros

They went to some lengths at the time to show what Dany did to POWs was definitely not kosher. Tyrion and Varys did not approve.

Hell, Rob just about lost a war for an execution related to the murder of Lannister POWs. Well, that and marrying a hot foreigner...

Spoiler

But is this this morally consistent? I mean Dany burned some people to get her unsullied, she crucified loads of people before crossing the sea, the Lannisters and by extension Robert murdered a king and and all his heirs, including women and children, the Lannisters are famous for wiping out an entire house for rebellion, Tyrion himself murdered his father and Shae, his best friend is a cold blooded killer, Cities are being sacked, fields are being burned. Jon executed Janos Slynt for disobeying orders, despite him begging for mercy in the end. Stannis was more than happy to burn people, but that didn't really seem to be deal breaker

But executing a valuable, but defiant enemy general who refuses to take the black, that's unacceptable? You're right they prepared this conflict through Varys and Tyrion and I haven't re-watched it all, but mym suspicion is that the whole outrage is more convenient than it is logical.

 

[Keefy18]

I was sent the below in a text earlier.... It's a fair point...but I think we might see a twist at the end.

Spoiler: Lannister Brothers Fate

Ned arguably wrongly beheaded a man of the Nights watch.
Olenna poisoned Joffery, She died of poisoning.
Ramsey killed his step mother and brother with hounds, Ramsey killed by his hounds.
Roose Bolton stabbed Robb in the heart, Roose bolton met a similar fate.
Walder Frey ordered Catelyn have her throat slit, Arya slit his throat.
Littlefinger betrayed Ned with a knife to the throat, Arya slit his throat.
Ygritte Killed Ollies parents with her bow, died via a bow.
Lysa Arran used her moon door to murder, Lysa killed via the moon door.
Tyrion killed Tywin via crossbow...

Bronn has the crossbow.....

However in a twist here...

Tyrion the smart little fecker that he is once told Bronn something along the lines of

"if there ever comes a day where someone puts a price on my head for you, consider this I shall match it and then some".

I believe the bow will be the end of Jamie and not Tyrion.

 

[Eboue]

I mean they dont have guns so most people who die get their throat slit.

 

[GDaly95]

Spoiler

My mate came to with an interesting theory. I can't remember the ins and outs of what he said but it really seemed to add up.

There was something said during the history of all this lark (not sure where it originated from) about 'The Prince that was promised'. We know how powerful King's blood is.

There's a strong (imo) theory that the Night King needs the child of Jon and Dany as a sacrifice.

Apparently the while walkers started marching south as soon as they stopped receiving sacrifices. They also knocked the wall down at the same time Jon and Dany were getting it on. Arguably, the Night King also had the chance to kill Jon (remember when he just watched him sail off) and Dany when she was stationery with her Dragon for ages, but he spared them because he needs their child.

I'm summing this up terribly and my mate made a lot more convincing points that I can't recall but it had me way more convinced than any other theory I've heard.

 

[Keefy18]

As did I this week. Flew through S01 in no time at all. It’s still infuriating how ‘noble’ the Starks act during key moments whilst it appears everyone else around them is butchering anyone in sight. I don’t believe for a second such a family would exist in a place such as Westeros in the time period. It’s dog-eat-dog, ffs, and here we have the Starks going full-on Mother Teresa every two minutes.

Ugh.

It was largely a time of peace. The seven kingdoms were ruled by Robert without any real challenge to his throne. Robert believed he had rid the kingdom of all Targs but Dany escaped.

They are always seen as the one family with honor, this also feeds down through the familys that follow them in many of the earlier seasons.

Except Cersei was despised by the city. There would have been immediate rebellion if she killed of the incredibly popular Maergery. Not to mention this is based in a time where women aren’t considered equals. There is zero chance the people would have accepted Cersei as queen. If the Lannister forces that she “commanded” (she doesn’t) were so strong she could have dealt with the Sparrows/Tyrells at any point.

I know right of conquest is a thing. But Cersei showed none of that. She just became queen, they didn’t even bother to explain how. It just happened. If there had been scenes demonstrating how she secured power fair enough, but there was nothing. The king died, she reigned. Garbage.

Your right, she was despised by the City, but she instilled fear in them by blowing up a large portion of the feckin City! Erasing the entire Sparrows and killing any who opposed her like Pycelle. How in the blue hell have you omitted all this?

When she done that she literally rid the City of any challengers and took the throne for herself, But... In the mean time many know, including Cersei that Dany is coming and she is the real heir to the throne.... at least in their minds cause no one other than Samwell Tarly knew of Jon's lineage.

Due to the impending threat of the WW the war between Cersei and the North / Dany has stalled. At least the North / Dany believe so.

You've literally just ignored the entire story line

 

[Massive Spanner]

it's called Game of Thrones. There wouldn't be much point to it if they let the rightful whatever take it every time.

 

[iammemphis]

I like it, but:

Spoiler

if they defeat the Night King then I imagine they won't need the wall or the watch anymore. Jon had already made peace with the wildlings.

Spoiler: Continued

Possibly, but i suspect they will kind of have to retreat back to where they came from, much like when they were first defeated by the first men and the children of the forest.

 

[Samid]

"I was sent this"
"My mate has a theory"

Just admit you guys pull these shite theories out of your arse.

 

[GDaly95]

"I was sent this"
"My mate has a theory"

Just admit you guys pull these shite theories out of your arse.

You know millions of people are constantly talking to each other about GoT at the moment don't you?

 

[KirkDuyt]

So, I avoided spoilers for that first episode like the plague. Turns out nothing worth spoiling actually happened.

 

[Cheesy]

So I keep hearing the Arya/Tywin in earlier seasons (S2?) stuff was added to the show rather than taken from source. So if that was the case, who did the dialogue there? Obviously having Charles Dance deliver lines would help, but the interactions were fantastic.

I think in the early seasons they had a lot more time to devote to writing/directing because the majority of the material was already written for them - if anything they had fun tinkering around with what they wanted to change, and when they did change something they (generally) made a somewhat decent go at doing it. With a couple of exceptions changed plotlines weren't half-arsed and an indication they didn't know what they were doing.

That changed as the show went on though - before long they were essentially having to come up with the basic plotting structure themselves, and then from that the writing etc seemed to fall apart.

 

[GhastlyHun]

So, I avoided spoilers for that first episode like the plague. Turns out nothing worth spoiling actually happened.

I could have spoilered that to you

 

[Cheesy]

Spoiler

But is this this morally consistent? I mean Dany burned some people to get her unsullied, she crucified loads of people before crossing the sea, the Lannisters and by extension Robert murdered a king and and all his heirs, including women and children, the Lannisters are famous for wiping out an entire house for rebellion, Tyrion himself murdered his father and Shae, his best friend is a cold blooded killer, Cities are being sacked, fields are being burned. Jon executed Janos Slynt for disobeying orders, despite him begging for mercy in the end. Stannis was more than happy to burn people, but that didn't really seem to be deal breaker

But executing a valuable, but defiant enemy general who refuses to take the black, that's unacceptable? You're right they prepared this conflict through Varys and Tyrion and I haven't re-watched it all, but mym suspicion is that the whole outrage is more convenient than it is logical.

Spoiler

Executing Randyll seemed fair game considering he was an influential power player who had basically admitted he was going to refuse to bow down to her no matter what. But executing Sam's brother seemed like a bit of a dick move - was fairly clear he was terrified and following his dad out of some stupid sense of pride. Would've made more sense to take him captive. Even if she'd stripped him of his titles, could've probably been useful for a ransom or something. Especially since Daenerys has essentially hopped over to Westeros with a bunch of deadly dragons and an army of Dothraki, and comes from a family who have a reputation for being evil maniacs. Makes sense for people to be reluctant - burning everyone alive who defies her doesn't exactly establish her as a noble benevolent ruler.

 

[maniak]

So is the whole many-faced god storyline done and dusted?

 

[Carl]

So is the whole many-faced god storyline done and dusted?

There's no way Arya has that massive story line only to never put it to any use other than killing the Freys.

It'll probably look like one of the Starks is gunna snuff it, only for Arya to pull of the mask and rescue.

 

[Yagami]

So, I avoided spoilers for that first episode like the plague. Turns out nothing worth spoiling actually happened.

You say that, but if someone had ruined Jon's and Dany's tearjerking dragon date you would have never forgiven them. No one saw such an emotional scene coming.

 

[P-Nut]

I think you might be right, Robin.

Spoiler

Ep 3 will be the battle of Winterfell and Ep 5 will be the battle for King's Landing, or even at the Trident.

Spoiler: mad as feck theory

Brienne will pierce Jaime with Oathkeeper and create Lightbringer before the Night King is slain. If any sword is going to be the original Lightbringer in this bat shit universe then it would be Ice, surely?

I've actually not read anything, or watched any promos / previews due to not wanting to spoil anything. It was just someone mentioning who was directing episodes 3 and 5 that made me make that assumption. Only thing being you'd expect the last episode to have some massive battle, so that needs fighting in somewhere.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I really don't get how people are confused as to how Cersei became Queen.

She killed everybody of any note + eliminated all of the High Sparrows, the only ones capable of organising the people against her.

She is in charge of the Lannister forces (Jaime is Kingsguard so can only lead, he did not inherit the Lannister lands) and the peasants are not going to go up against a professional army with nobody around to rouse them.

I don't think people will be all that happy about the situation, but who else is there? She was the Queen mother, the King died, his sons died, Margaery's dead. And how many of the starving people in the city do you think actually have any idea what the 'line of succession' even is? All they know is the Queen mother is in charge and she has a terrifying zombie giant guarding her and an army at her side. That same zombie crushes the heads of people who speak against her, she's terrifying.

People are being kept in line by fear, and they have bigger issues on their plate than whether the ruler is 'rightful', like actually being able to feed themselves. Cersei fecked off the line of succession when she took charge and nobody with any power or influence was around to stop her, that's the long and short of it.

 

[Yagami]

Started watching is from the beginning again. I forgot how much I fecking despise the Lannisters.

Never forget.

Jon for king!

 

[maniak]

There's no way Arya has that massive story line only to never put it to any use other than killing the Freys.

It'll probably look like one of the Starks is gunna snuff it, only for Arya to pull of the mask and rescue.

Spoiler

I've read a theory that Arya actually died in the fight with that other girl when she blows the candle and it's all dark. Now they're using Arya's face to go to Westeros to get close to and kill a bunch of important people. Frey and Littlefinger are gone. Eventually Arya will remove her face and it's Jaqen H'ghar all along.

 

[Hammerfell]

Spoiler

I've read a theory that Arya actually died in the fight with that other girl when she blows the candle and it's all dark. Now they're using Arya's face to go to Westeros to get close to and kill a bunch of important people. Frey and Littlefinger are gone. Eventually Arya will remove her face and it's Jaqen H'ghar all along.

That's stupid.

 

[do.ob]

Spoiler

Executing Randyll seemed fair game considering he was an influential power player who had basically admitted he was going to refuse to bow down to her no matter what. But executing Sam's brother seemed like a bit of a dick move - was fairly clear he was terrified and following his dad out of some stupid sense of pride. Would've made more sense to take him captive. Even if she'd stripped him of his titles, could've probably been useful for a ransom or something. Especially since Daenerys has essentially hopped over to Westeros with a bunch of deadly dragons and an army of Dothraki, and comes from a family who have a reputation for being evil maniacs. Makes sense for people to be reluctant - burning everyone alive who defies her doesn't exactly establish her as a noble benevolent ruler.

Spoiler

I mean he kind of begged to be killed with his father. I don't see how Dany going out of her way to keep him alive would've felt organic. I think that would've been an even bigger let down.

 

[2mufc0]

So, I avoided spoilers for that first episode like the plague. Turns out nothing worth spoiling actually happened.

Same. Only caught up today, wasn't a great episode. Given there are only 6 episodes they need to make every minute or every episode count.

 

[Fully Fledged]

How did this show get so basic man

It went past the books and someone other than George RRRRR wrote it.

 

[2cents]

So I keep hearing the Arya/Tywin in earlier seasons (S2?) stuff was added to the show rather than taken from source. So if that was the case, who did the dialogue there? Obviously having Charles Dance deliver lines would help, but the interactions were fantastic.

I think in the early seasons they had a lot more time to devote to writing/directing because the majority of the material was already written for them - if anything they had fun tinkering around with what they wanted to change, and when they did change something they (generally) made a somewhat decent go at doing it. With a couple of exceptions changed plotlines weren't half-arsed and an indication they didn't know what they were doing.

That changed as the show went on though - before long they were essentially having to come up with the basic plotting structure themselves, and then from that the writing etc seemed to fall apart.

Spoiler

Some of the Arya-Tywin dialogue was lifted from other parts of the text, i.e. the bit where Tywin tells Arya she's giving herself away by saying "My Lord" instead of "M'Lord" is taken from a conversation between Theon and Roose Bolton. Some of it is taken from Arya's own encounter with Roose. Same goes for some of the Arya-Hound dialogue was season 4, their time together was expanded far beyond what it was in the books because it worked so well.

 

[Cheesy]

Spoiler

Some of the Arya-Tywin dialogue was lifted from other parts of the text, i.e. the bit where Tywin tells Arya she's giving herself away by saying "My Lord" instead of "M'Lord" is taken from a conversation between Theon and Roose Bolton. Some of it is taken from Arya's own encounter with Roose. Same goes for some of the Arya-Hound dialogue was season 4, their time together was expanded far beyond what it was in the books because it worked so well.

Spoiler

Aye, they definitely liked to take certain themes/ideas/lines from the books even when the characters and context had changed slightly. And it often worked quite well in all fairness.

 

[dumbo]

Some of these theories are so bad y'all should be writing for the show.
Lul.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Never forget.

Jon for king!

Spoiler

What is dead can never die

 

[amolbhatia50k]

A

Can't stand Euron. The reason being the actor who is very, very bad. Overacts 100% of the scenes he's in.

Agree.

Geoffrey was a superb character who I genuinely despised. Excellently played. Ramsey Bolton was a significant drop. Too caricature-ish and villain-ey to genuinely find interesting. But he did enough to serve the purpose. Which brings us on to Euron - the single most pathetic character in the entire series. It feels as if there's a show called Game of Thrones which is meant to be taken seriously, in which somebody by mistake chucked in a baddie from a C-grade film. I mean, he's just an absolutely terrible character who is even more poorly played by someobody I presume was too wasted to bother with acting classes.

 

[sullydnl]

Comparing Euron to Joffrey and Ramsay is a bit unfair really. That latter two were at their peak the chief antagonists in the show and the most hated (in a good way) characters. Whereas Euron's role is the slightly comic side-villain.

 

[P-Nut]

Comparing Euron to Joffrey and Ramsay is a bit unfair really. That latter two were at their peak the chief antagonists in the show and the most hated (in a good way) characters. Whereas Euron's role is the slightly comic side-villain.

I think it's the jarring of there never really being a comedic side villain in all the rest of the seasons that makes him stand out.

 

[Buchan]

Whenever I see Euron on screen, I can’t get Eddie Izzard out of my head.

Maybe that’s where the hatred stems from?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Comparing Euron to Joffrey and Ramsay is a bit unfair really. That latter two were at their peak the chief antagonists in the show and the most hated (in a good way) characters. Whereas Euron's role is the slightly comic side-villain.

I mean, to be honest, I didn't think that much of Ramsey either but Euron just takes the piss. Yeah he's not the main antagonist, but I'm not looking for him to be exceptional in his role. He just didn't have to be so damn terrible. Every scene he's in is one miserable cringe fest.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Euron just seems like something that must've been much better in the books, because you assume GRR wouldn't come up with that tripe.

Same as with everything related to Dorne except Oberyn.

 

[Welsh Wonder]

A

Agree.

Geoffrey was a superb character who I genuinely despised. Excellently played. Ramsey Bolton was a significant drop. Too caricature-ish and villain-ey to genuinely find interesting. But he did enough to serve the purpose. Which brings us on to Euron - the single most pathetic character in the entire series. It feels as if there's a show called Game of Thrones which is meant to be taken seriously, in which somebody by mistake chucked in a baddie from a C-grade film. I mean, he's just an absolutely terrible character who is even more poorly played by someobody I presume was too wasted to bother with acting classes.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Euron just seems like something that must've been much better in the books, because you assume GRR wouldn't come up with that tripe.

Same as with everything related to Dorne except Oberyn.

There's not a whole lot of him in the books, he shows up later on and is very mysterious and mystical. He's a completely different character from the one in the show. The one in the show is like a terrible mixture of him and his brother Victarion that somehow misses the point of both. They'd have been better leaving it out entirely.

Dorne is sandy. That's about the only similarity.

I think the problem is they get sucked in by what they think will look cool, but they add it in to a show that used to be character driven so it comes in with no depth and doesn't work. Regardless if they get it from the books or make it up, everything else has had years to get established and came from greater depth than what they are adding in.

 

[Dan]

 

[Massive Spanner]

 

[Klopper76]

Random question. Has Ghost been casually written out of the show with the hope being that no one notices?