And to yourself. May the state be thoroughly smashed.
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You are seriously disrespectful to people who have to live in an actual tyranny.
Examples?
Looks like they (remainders) missed the chance to strike whilst the iron was hot.
People are so fed up now that I’ve no doubt that a 2nd referendum would come out in favor of leave
People are so fed up now that I’ve no doubt that a 2nd referendum would come out in favor of leave
It’s overstating it to say that Leave would definitely win but I do think that it’s clear that 2016 Leave voters are never going to change their minds. There is no point in doubling down on “Project Fear” about the horrors of a no deal Brexit.
Therefore you are left hoping that demographic changes in the last three years combined with a higher turn out from previuosly complacent Remainers would nudge the Remain vote into the low to mid 50s.
"17.4m people want to leave"
Doesn't look like 17.4 million voted for the Farage party, UKIP and Tories yesterday. But we won't hear that.
Doesn't look like 17.4 million voted for the Farage party, UKIP and Tories yesterday. But we won't hear that.
You don't seem to understand how the EU works.
I'll ignore your comment about the single currency, seeing as Britain isn't in the eurozone and never will be.
The EU does not work. What is there to understand?
Works fine mate, has helped build the economies of Europe and has granted freedoms to it's citizens never before seen in the history of civilisation.
At the same time it wants to crush the economies of Ireland, Malta, Cyprus and Hungary by introducing tax harmonisation and at the same time doing damage to their reputation with the constant attacks by the likes of Ana Gomes and those who share similar views towards these countries, going as far as labeling them as tax havens, centres of money laundering, corrupt and having no rule of law.
Tax harmonisation will put these countries into big economic turmoil should it go through because their economy depends on offering tax advantages.
I'm not confident at all in fact it's quite likely since any vote right now is single issue. In the short term i just don't care as long as the votes are going left.
We're well away from any one party getting a majority so it's just about a coalition. I'm fairly confident that Labour would drop brexit to form a liberal coalition although they'll suffer for it.
It’s not just the EU who is legislating to diminish the tax loop holes such havens have. Pretty much every major government is doing so. Because it takes tax revenue away from their country. Are all these countries operating a tyranny too?
So a big criticism of the EU is that they are actively working against a race to the bottom that benefits the rich?
Farage really is a man of the people.
The EU has repeatedly stated they aren't going to try enforce us to change our corporation tax rate, and by law they can't do so anyway. What they've said is that they want companies to be taxed fairly and have proper regulations in each country so that stuff like Apple's €13bn of uncollected tax debacle doesn't occur again.
Enlighten yourself: https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/key-eu-policy-areas/taxation_en
Ireland has benefited from EU membership more than just about every other country out there.
Enlighten myself when I'm an accountant who works in a tax consultancy firm.
For example, Malta has a refund system in which a company set up by non-resident UBOs can get a 6/7ths or 5/7ths refund on the 35% tax paid on the distribution of profits, resulting in an effective tax rate of between 0 and 10% depending on whether any double taxation relief is available. It's not a loophole, it's law. This has made a lot of foreign Gaming and financial services companies open up in Malta, salaries have increased because the demand for employees is much higher than the supply and the economy is growing at rates which we've never seen before.
Even the government acknowledges the fact that with tax harmonisation our economy would suffer.
What does any of that have to do with what I said?
Well the vote was a very small majority, it's very much split down the middle and still is probably so it's actually very difficult to go one way or the other and compromise doesn't please either side and the way the EU is designed you risk a huge hit economically by leaving.
Also there's a huge issue with the Irish border that makes it very difficult for people in official positions. The public voted without really considering it.
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So looks like Le Pen (RN) and Macron (LREM) will both have 23 seats each. Loss of 1 for Le Pen and 1.5% less votes. Gain of 23 seats for Macron.
Other anti-EU parties (Mélenchon, Phillipot, Gilets Jaunes etc) had terrible results and traditional Tories and Labour also did very badly. Greens did well.
Overall not a bad result at all.
Other anti-EU parties (Mélenchon, Phillipot, Gilets Jaunes etc) had terrible results and traditional Tories and Labour also did very badly. Greens did well.
Overall not a bad result at all.
Housemate's French mum voted for your Greens on the basis that 'at the worst, they will do nothing'. I kind of think that could be a slogan for the Greens.
Seems to be the story across europe. Eco-left, hard right and centrists did well, whilst the old left and the centre-left/right did poorly.
Firstly, I’m not sure that this argument holds. There are also remainer-Tories. If you add up the votes from last night, pro-remain parties got 40.4% of the vote, hard-leave parties got 34.9% of the vote, Labour got 14.1% and the Conservatives 9.1%. Labour are leaving a lot of votes behind if they continue to annoy the remain voices.
Secondly, it goes beyond strategy three years after the fact. I feel that Corbyn has failed the country by refusing to discuss or debate Brexit in the years following the referendum. That firstly allowed Theresa May to frame the structure on which we would leave (her red lines that have got us in this mess), and has since meant that the debate has mostly been fought from the right of those red lines, bringing us closer and closer to no deal. If the debate was instead May’s red lines vs. Corbyn demanding a softer brexit to protect the economy (potentially with a second referendum to pass it), we’d be in a completely different situation. His indifference to the situation is maddening, and has given the debate to the loons on the right.
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This is a good point.
I'd imagine it doesn't look much different to how it looked before the UKIP MEPs rebadged themselves as the Brexit Party tbf.
Not been paying much attention if you think Labour haven't been pushing a softer brexit. The issue is there's no appetite for it which is why it's been voted down 2 (maybe 3) times.
Yeah, true. Although the name change really makes it explicit how this clusterfcuk won't ever go away.
They’ve hardly mentioned it at all.
Hopefully we'll some analysis of the makeup of Labour and Tory votes because most of those still wanting Brexit would have gone to the Brexit party surely? Maybe some still want a 'sensible' brexit but even then if it was no deal or remain which would they choose.
There's a decent break down of where parties won votes on the BBC article that is taken from.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131
Not a perfect representation, but I think it's pretty plausible to suggest that a majority of the Labour votes came from Remain minded voters.
The democracy argument is such a dumb argument.
1. The vote was 3 years ago and it was a choice between one abstract idea (leave) and one known outcome (remain). If remain had won, we would not have been negotiating our exit from the EU for these 3 years so to say the referendum has been ignored is just wrong. Now that there is greater understanding on what leave means (i.e. we now have a deal), we can see if the public support this or not. This has only come to the fore via the public, media and politician reaction which has clearly showed that everyone feels the current direction of the country is not what people voted for.
2. The referendum was not binding.
3. Normally for constitutional changes as big as this, you need to win the vote by a substantial majority (2/3s).
1. The vote was 3 years ago and it was a choice between one abstract idea (leave) and one known outcome (remain). If remain had won, we would not have been negotiating our exit from the EU for these 3 years so to say the referendum has been ignored is just wrong. Now that there is greater understanding on what leave means (i.e. we now have a deal), we can see if the public support this or not. This has only come to the fore via the public, media and politician reaction which has clearly showed that everyone feels the current direction of the country is not what people voted for.
2. The referendum was not binding.
3. Normally for constitutional changes as big as this, you need to win the vote by a substantial majority (2/3s).
Says it all really!
Perhaps we should go for a "benevolent dictatorship" instead... as long as he agrees with us!
Brexit can't be cancelled or revoked.
There needs to be a Brexit first, then a Brentrance a few years later. The electorate won't accept it any other way.
There needs to be a Brexit first, then a Brentrance a few years later. The electorate won't accept it any other way.
Did you literally stop reading after the first sentence of that post?
Immediately!
Which is an excellent demonstration of the reading comprehension and concentration span of the average Leave voter.
This is why we're in so much trouble...
Here I've split the Conservative vote 7:2 towards Leave and the Labour remain 8:6 towards Remain.
An arbitrarily chosen split - but possibly not the worst guess in the world.
UK Politics is frozen and we're all in trouble
Is that so? I take you are an expert on the subject.
yeah Maltas got it all figured out bro, you should leave the EU and keep all those low tax receipts to yourself, it was all the tax rates on their own and nothing else
And you have the nerve to complain about the EU
Claiming historical knowledge on the way and then never backing it up what so ever. Should have guessed you're an accountant, really.