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[WensleyMU]

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 35% (+2)
LAB: 25% (+3)
LDM: 16% (-5)
BXP: 11% (-1)
GRN: 7% (=)
UKIP: 1% (+1)

Via
@YouGov
, 2-3 Sep.

As always take a poll with a pinch of salt but this came after the events in Westminster earlier today.

 

[JakeC]

Ben Bradley, that's who it is. Absolute clown.

 

[sammsky1]

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 35% (+2)
LAB: 25% (+3)
LDM: 16% (-5)
BXP: 11% (-1)
GRN: 7% (=)
UKIP: 1% (+1)

Via
@YouGov
, 2-3 Sep.

As always take a poll with a pinch of salt but this came after the events in Westminster today.

Election won’t be about Conservative vs Labour; as as @sun_tzu and others have said it will be about Leave vs Remain/No No-deal.

That’s the only projections that are meaningful right now.

 

[JakeC]

Conservative, Brexit, and UKIP running at 47
Labour, Lib Dems, and Greens running at 48

 

[sammsky1]

Conservative, Brexit, and UKIP running at 47
Labour, Lib Dems, and Greens running at 48

Doesn’t account for impact of deselection. Highly doubt there is any algorithm capable of making a worthwhile prediction.

 

[Sweet Square]

Does she really not give a crap about meds, NHs staff shortages, lack of food choice, death of certain industries, job losses and probably impact on her pension etc? Are they really that stubborn to ‘cut their nose off to spite their face’?

Completely my own original take here -

Just as the Thatcherites and the Cameronites were the dynasty of finance capital, so the Borisites are the dynasty of the retiree. The chosen of the retiree is not the Boris who submitted to parliament but the Boris who dismissed parliament.

The property owning retiree form an enormous mass whose members live in similar conditions but without entering into manifold relations with each other. Their mode of living isolates them from one another instead of bringing them into mutual intercourse. The isolation is furthered by England poor means of communication/transport and the poverty of the retirees. Their field of living, semi-detached home permits no application of science, and therefore no multifariousness of development, no diversity of talent, no wealth of social relationships. Each individual retiree is almost self-sufficient, directly paying most of its consumer needs, and thus acquires its means of life more through an exchange with online tesco than in intercourse with society. A semi-detached, the retiree and his/her property; beside it another semi-detached, another retiree and another semi detached. A few score of these constitute a village, and a few score villages constitute Sunderland.

Insofar as millions of retirees live under conditions of existence that separate their mode of life, their interests, and their culture from those of the other classes, and put them in hostile opposition to the latter, they form a class. Insofar as there is merely a local interconnection among these property owning retirees, and the identity of their interests forms no community, no national bond, and no political organization among them, they do not constitute a class. They are therefore incapable of asserting their class interest in their own name, whether through a parliament or a convention. They cannot represent themselves, they must be represented. Their representative must at the same time appear as their master, as an authority over them, an unlimited governmental power which protects them from the other classes and sends them rain and sunshine from above. The political influence of the property owing retiree, therefore, finds its final expression in the executive power which subordinates society to itself.

Historical tradition gave rise to the english retiree belief in the miracle of a referendum that would bring all glory back to them. And there turned up an individual who claims to be the man of the referendum because he bears the name Boris.

But let us not misunderstand. The Boris dynasty represents not the revolutionary, but the conservative retiree; not the retiree who strikes out beyond the condition of his/her social existence, semi-detached home, but rather one who wants to consolidate his/her home; not the countryfolk who in alliance with the towns want to overthrow the old order through their own energies, but on the contrary those who, in solid seclusion within this old order, want to see themselves and their house prices saved and favored by the ghost of the Empire. It represents not the enlightenment but the superstition of the retiree; not his/her judgment but his/her prejudice; not his/her future but his/her past.

 

[Hammerfell]

Why do people like this always get the airtime? Does she really not give a crap about meds, NHs staff shortages, lack of food choice, death of certain industries, job losses and probably impact on her pension etc? Are they really that stubborn to ‘cut their nose off to spite their face’?

They're thick and racist so probably.

 

[WensleyMU]

Election won’t be about Conservative vs Labour; as as @sun_tzu and others have said it will be about Leave vs Remain/No No-deal.

That’s the only projections that are meaningful right now.

I agree completely. It was just interesting. Particularly the Lib Dems suffering quite a big drop, which I would assume is due to them once again, tossing their morals aside for a short term win. A truly pathetic party when all is said and done.

I am also unconvinced that a coalition of vastly different parties can truly work together. I would expect a level of chaos that makes the past few years look relatively sane.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Who's the Tory who looks like he should still have his head down a toilet? On BBC now.

All of them.

 

[esmufc07]

Surely lots of swing voters will be alarmed by BJ’s performances and actions so far?

One of my sisters has voted labour and Tory over past few elections, and voted leave in Referendum. She now admits she was woefully illiterate for her referendum vote and now armed with more knowledge wants the earliest opportunity to rectify her position. Must be loads like her around?

Yeah I think so. Equally I think there are a lot who voted remain who have bought into the idea the EU have been unreasonable with us and now would vote leave, effectively out of spite.

If there were a referendum tomorrow I'm fairly confident Remain would win.

 

[0161_UNITED]

So what is Johnson’s end game at this point? If he ends up deselecting a significant number (I read earlier that abstentions would be considered a “No”). Is he counting on a union with the Brexit Party and ensuring whomever gets deselected will either stand down, or get rejected by their constituencies, will win an election? Seems as if the rooster has come home to roost. He’ll be completely unable to govern after tomorrow, and Labour won’t go into an election yet, they’ll let him stew in this mess. He’s been essentially ruined, hasn’t he?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Completely my own original take here -

Just as the Thatcherites and the Cameronites were the dynasty of finance capital, so the Borisites are the dynasty of the retiree. The chosen of the retiree is not the Boris who submitted to parliament but the Boris who dismissed parliament.

The property owning retiree form an enormous mass whose members live in similar conditions but without entering into manifold relations with each other. Their mode of living isolates them from one another instead of bringing them into mutual intercourse. The isolation is furthered by England poor means of communication/transport and the poverty of the retirees. Their field of living, semi-detached home permits no application of science, and therefore no multifariousness of development, no diversity of talent, no wealth of social relationships. Each individual retiree is almost self-sufficient, directly paying most of its consumer needs, and thus acquires its means of life more through an exchange with online tesco than in intercourse with society. A semi-detached, the retiree and his/her property; beside it another semi-detached, another retiree and another semi detached. A few score of these constitute a village, and a few score villages constitute Sunderland.

Insofar as millions of retirees live under conditions of existence that separate their mode of life, their interests, and their culture from those of the other classes, and put them in hostile opposition to the latter, they form a class. Insofar as there is merely a local interconnection among these property owning retirees, and the identity of their interests forms no community, no national bond, and no political organization among them, they do not constitute a class. They are therefore incapable of asserting their class interest in their own name, whether through a parliament or a convention. They cannot represent themselves, they must be represented. Their representative must at the same time appear as their master, as an authority over them, an unlimited governmental power which protects them from the other classes and sends them rain and sunshine from above. The political influence of the property owing retiree, therefore, finds its final expression in the executive power which subordinates society to itself.

Historical tradition gave rise to the english retiree belief in the miracle of a referendum that would bring all glory back to them. And there turned up an individual who claims to be the man of the referendum because he bears the name Boris.

But let us not misunderstand. The Boris dynasty represents not the revolutionary, but the conservative retiree; not the retiree who strikes out beyond the condition of his/her social existence, semi-detached home, but rather one who wants to consolidate his/her home; not the countryfolk who in alliance with the towns want to overthrow the old order through their own energies, but on the contrary those who, in solid seclusion within this old order, want to see themselves and their house prices saved and favored by the ghost of the Empire. It represents not the enlightenment but the superstition of the retiree; not his/her judgment but his/her prejudice; not his/her future but his/her past.

The small peasants form a vast mass, the members of which live in similar
conditions, but without entering into manifold relations with one another. Their
mode of production isolates them from one another, instead of bringing them
into mutual intercourse. The isolation is increased by France’s bad means of
communication and by the poverty of the peasants. Their field of production,
the smallholding, admits of no division of Labour in its cultivation, no
application of science and therefore, no multiplicity of development, no
diversity of talents, no wealth of social relations. Each individual peasant
family is almost self-sufficient, it itself directly produces the major part of its
consumption. . . the great mass of the French nation is formed by simple
addition of homologous magnitudes much as potatoes in a sack form a sackful
of potatoes. [Marx (1852 [1978]):608

 

[Rams]

As I said before Boris is completely out of his depth. He’ll be out of a job within a year as it becomes clear he’s nothing more than a fraud. Clearly Cummings is pulling the strings in terms of strategy, but this lying bastard has complete disregard for democratic parliamentary proceedings.

 

[TheGame]

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[Sweet Square]

The small peasants form a vast mass, the members of which live in similar
conditions, but without entering into manifold relations with one another. Their
mode of production isolates them from one another, instead of bringing them
into mutual intercourse. The isolation is increased by France’s bad means of
communication and by the poverty of the peasants. Their field of production,
the smallholding, admits of no division of Labour in its cultivation, no
application of science and therefore, no multiplicity of development, no
diversity of talents, no wealth of social relations. Each individual peasant
family is almost self-sufficient, it itself directly produces the major part of its
consumption. . . the great mass of the French nation is formed by simple
addition of homologous magnitudes much as potatoes in a sack form a sackful
of potatoes. [Marx (1852 [1978]):608

Ah come on! Did you have to ruin the joke so quickly.

 

[horsechoker]

So what is Johnson’s end game at this point? If he ends up deselecting a significant number (I read earlier that abstentions would be considered a “No”). Is he counting on a union with the Brexit Party and ensuring whomever gets deselected will either stand down, or get rejected by their constituencies, will win an election? Seems as if the rooster has come home to roost. He’ll be completely unable to govern after tomorrow, and Labour won’t go into an election yet, they’ll let him stew in this mess. He’s been essentially ruined, hasn’t he?

Cockroaches can survive a nuclear apocalypse so I'm sure there'll be twists in this tale yet.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Ah come on! Did you have to ruin the joke so quickly.

Sorry

 

[SteveJ]

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Meh, I've been saying that since 1976...or thereabouts.

 

[Sweet Square]

Maybe a few more nob gags and audience banter to stretch the set out a bit and always always finish on a big laugh, Jez.

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[WensleyMU]

Rebel MPs have been subject to 'bullying' says Corbyn

Course mate, not like you have explicit rules to expel any labour MP who doesnt vote with the party. Bumbling idiot.

 

[0161_UNITED]

Poor Corbyn, bloke just completely lacks any sense of the occasion. Stick in knife and turn. Simples.

 

[Untied]

Because they are pro brexit media ? They are essentially Fox news in nicer packaging.

Sky’s coverage of Brexit has been much stronger than the BBC’s

 

[JakeC]

Corbyn speaking better than normal, very clear.

 

[Tucholsky]

Sorry

Just some kudos to you both. One for trying and the other one for knowing his Marx.

 

[golden_blunder]

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Please please please I really want to see this happen

 

[Buster15]

Corbyn speaking better than normal, very clear.

Yes he was. One of his better performances. Well done for a change.

 

[JakeC]

Just because Reece Mogg uses finishing school courtesy, doesn't mean that he's an absolute scumbag who refuses to answer questions being put to him about The WTO, The Irish Border, and when he found out that parliament was going to be prorogued.

 

[esmufc07]

JRM going for Bercow.

 

[esmufc07]

Just because Reece Mogg uses finishing school courtesy, doesn't mean that he's an absolute scumbag who refuses to answer questions being put to him about The WTO, The Irish Border, and when he found out that parliament was going to be prorogued.

They're all the same. Don't think Boris answered one single question.

 

[Redplane]

Please please please I really want to see this happen

Which probably means it won't happen.

 

[Grinner]

I hope this clever cnut gets done at some point. An odious prick.

 

[T00lsh3d]

That’s about as much of JRM as I can handle. In a world where dislike and distrust for politicians is pretty damn high, he impressively stands out as a cnut like no other

 

[Hammerfell]

Rees-Mogg just sounds like a cnut.

 

[JakeC]

He's quoting Latin now, what an absolute cnut.

 

[esmufc07]

I love Bercow.

 

[Smores]

JRM is unfit for a government role, this rudeness might get him air time as an ERG member but he's completely out of order numerous times this past week.

Philip Lee quoted his phone-in dismissing a senior doctor so rudely as a reason why he quit. If other Tory MPs had integrity they'd see what their party is becoming and quit.

 

[JakeC]

Get back in your box Jacob, you got wrecked.

 

[Drifter]

Mogg getting battered.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

When I voted in 1975, I thought it was to build a new community. Instead, as with the German elections at weekend, it’s clear all we built was a short-sighted self interest nationalistic provincialism and asked fools to run it. What we have now is an utter disaster for everyone in UK and Europe as self-interest, greed and corruption destroys all our lives. I have never wanted or condoned revolution but I think the people need to revolt against the elites and the political class before these idiots finally turn us in a nightmare of 1984/animal farm proportions.

It's coming, I really believe it, people are so sick of old money elites fecking them at every turn.

Saw that earlier. He is an awful human being.

He is a scumbag who needs a bullet in the throat at the earliest opportunity

 

[JakeC]

Out of interest, why isn't The PM here?