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Your brackets are pretty much spot on considering where we are as a team. Based on the lack of striker options we have at the moment, it makes sense to buy a veteran striker in January on a 18 month deal, who's happy to come off the bench and mentor the striker group. We can then buy a young striker like Haaland, Moussa Dembele or Timo Werner in the summer to compete with Martial for the no 1 striker spot. This would mean our striker options would consist of 3 good options plus Greenwood. This would be good enough to take the club going forward.For one thing, he will not go for £100m. As great as his numbers are, the simple fact is he plays in the Austrian league and Salzburg will most likely sell for a sensible amount. See @roonster09's post above, post no. 762.
As for your final point about needing to be tested for consistency at a better team, we as a club are not in the position to be turning down talent of this level. Firstly because we simply do not have the personnel that will keep him out of the team already, and secondly, we at this moment do not have the pull to attract elite level players. If we let him move to another club as a stepping stone and he does well there, we allow clubs stronger than us to enter the bidding war and our fans will lament as to why we didn't sign him in the first place. At that point, he may become unattainable for us.
The brackets available to us are really as follows:
1. Taking chances on top talents doing big numbers in weaker leagues, who may prove to be a dud but have ridiculous potential if they work - e.g. Haaland in this case;
2. Seasoned veterans looking for a last opportunity who are very short term, and pretty much past their peak - Mandzukic tier players etc. (could possibly include the likes of Muller here);
3. Mid level proven players who will get into our team, but do not necessarily have enough to elevate beyond being good players, as they possess visible flaws that will not be removed from their game. Think Lukaku's level when we actually signed him.
Not in the world. One of the worst coaches in the PL. Results don’t lie.My reaction wasn't to whether Haaland should choose to go to United - it was to a guy claiming Haaland shouldn't go to United because OGS is the Worst manager in the League. If anyone seriously believe that Haaland is in any way negative to the guy who took him from being a talent who had shown nothing in terms of goals, on the pitch to being one of the most talented 17 year olds in the business - and a little more than 1 year later to being one of the hottest Properties in football, then I stand by my comments.
Haaland has several times said that OGS was a very good coach - and I find it quite laughable when some guy on a forum is convinced he wouldn't go near OGS because he is the worst coach in the world. Well - what would Haaland know ? If Haaland decides to go to United - it will be for one reason only, OGS!
Not in the world. One of the worst coaches in the PL. Results don’t lie.My reaction wasn't to whether Haaland should choose to go to United - it was to a guy claiming Haaland shouldn't go to United because OGS is the Worst manager in the League. If anyone seriously believe that Haaland is in any way negative to the guy who took him from being a talent who had shown nothing in terms of goals, on the pitch to being one of the most talented 17 year olds in the business - and a little more than 1 year later to being one of the hottest Properties in football, then I stand by my comments.
Haaland has several times said that OGS was a very good coach - and I find it quite laughable when some guy on a forum is convinced he wouldn't go near OGS because he is the worst coach in the world. Well - what would Haaland know ? If Haaland decides to go to United - it will be for one reason only, OGS!
Anyone´s opinion, but I put most relevance in Haaland´s own opinion:Not in the world. One of the worst coaches in the PL. Results don’t lie.
Without disrespecting your opinions I think playing with United has a bigger pull then joining his former manager who struggles enormously to make United to play offensive football. That without mention his results.
I’m sure Team Håland will watch United’s developments closely and see if and when Ole will be out of the picture. As it stands that’s the wise thing to do. I understands you don’t agree with me and you think my take on this is totally out of order but let’s wait and see who’s right or wrong. If I’m wrong a gladly apologize to you, for me it’s a win and win situation so whatever happens it’s ok for me.
Agree 100%This thread reminds me a bit of when Harry Kane broke out. There were debates on here whether he can maintain his form or whether we should wait and see, then after a couple of years of top form he was out of reach.
I don't think we have the luxury of waiting. We should just take a risk and go for him now, and even then it isn't a sure thing that we'd get him.
We desperately need a proper striker IMO. It isn't ideal because he's still very young but who else is there that is obtainable? We can't wait around for Martial or Rashford to put it together.
No results dont lie - and there are 12 managers in P.L history With a win percentage of 10% and less - OGS is at 47%Not in the world. One of the worst coaches in the PL. Results don’t lie.
Without disrespecting your opinions I think playing with United has a bigger pull then joining his former manager who struggles enormously to make United to play offensive football. That without mention his results.
I’m sure Team Håland will watch United’s developments closely and see if and when Ole will be out of the picture. As it stands that’s the wise thing to do. I understands you don’t agree with me and you think my take on this is totally out of order but let’s wait and see who’s right or wrong. If I’m wrong a gladly apologize to you, for me it’s a win and win situation so whatever happens it’s ok for me.
You shouldn't. OGS is the worst manager in the P.L so clearly Haaland is clueless as to OGS' abilitiesAnyone´s opinion, but I put most relevance in Haaland´s own opinion:
- He has had a huge influence on my life, both as a person and as a coach. He won the Champions League and he was an unbelievable good players. He has taught me so much. Solskjær is a fantastic person and a very good coach. He is one of the reasons why I am where I am today.
They've never sold anyone for more than 26m. There's no way they're slapping a 60m-80m price tag on his head. No one would ever want to go there again if they priced them out of moves. It would be similar to a Martial deal if anything, rising to 60m with add ons.They’re still a wealthy club. They’re under zero pressure to sell.
Premier League clubs aren’t the only ones spending big money. And Salzburg know how much PL clubs have and aren’t about to accept a bid of 30-40m. Seriously, it won’t happen.
You can start at the 60-80m range easily. If he scores any more in the CL or goes on a EL run, you can probably add to that. Regardless of which league they play in, no club is letting a full international wonder kid go for 30-40 in this market.
They’d be barmy to do so. There will be competition for his signature and the price will go up.
They've never sold anyone for more than 26m. There's no way they're slapping a 60m-80m price tag on his head. No one would ever want to go there again if they priced them out of moves. It would be similar to a Martial deal if anything, rising to 60m with add ons.
The teams that can afford to spend 60m+ on an 19 year old striker from the Austrian league, won't start him. Who are the the teams that need to buy a striker, that can afford 60m?When was the last time they sold a player of Haland’s profile, in a market where 30-40m gets you *maybe* a benchwarmer at a top club?
Will have to agree to disagree on this one. But I’d be very surprised indeed if he was sold for less than 60, if he continues his current form.
Very good point. And to go along with that- young players who jumped to I. E. Barça or Real must realize that they will likely give their academy players the nod first unless it fills an imminent need like De Jong at Barça.The teams that can afford to spend 60m+ on an 19 year old striker from the Austrian league, won't start him. Who are the the teams that need to buy a striker, that can afford 60m?
The teams that can afford to spend 60m+ on an 19 year old striker from the Austrian league, won't start him. Who are the the teams that need to buy a striker, that can afford 60m?
This is also trueVery good point. And to go along with that- young players who jumped to I. E. Barça or Real must realize that they will likely give their academy players the nod first unless it fills an imminent need like De Jong at Barça.
I'm not playing down his talent, but the risk is massive if you're paying 60m+. Real and Barca can't afford it and I doubt Atleti can either. He's not on a Free so scrap Juve or anyone in serie A. Chelsea are putting their faith in Abraham, Liverpool won't spend 60m+ on a back up to Firmino. Likewise City for Aguero/Jesus (debate whether they could afford it as well with FFP). Bayern could probably go for him, but not at that price. Dortmund would only be able to afford it if they get money in from a big transfer like Sancho.Quite a lot of clubs can afford 60m, and striker situations quickly change.
Nobody will get a free run at him. There will be a bidding war when he leaves.
I'm not playing down his talent, but the risk is massive if you're paying 60m+. Real and Barca can't afford it and I doubt Atleti can either. He's not on a Free so scrap Juve or anyone in serie A. Chelsea are putting their faith in Abraham, Liverpool won't spend 60m+ on a back up to Firmino. Likewise City for Aguero/Jesus (debate whether they could afford it as well with FFP). Bayern could probably go for him, but not at that price. Dortmund would only be able to afford it if they get money in from a big transfer like Sancho.
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Is this fanfic?Manchester United have won the race for Erling Braut Håland.
At least, that’s what Corriere dello Sport would have you believe on Friday, as they look at Napoli’s interest in the player.
We’ll tell you right now, it’s a bit of a strange article, as the Italian newspaper seem very defeatist at the prospect of the Norwegian talent ending up in the south of Italy, despite him being a ‘dream of [Aurelio] De Laurentiis, [Cristiano] Giuntoli and [Carlo] Ancelotti’.
He was seen to have the ‘right profile to give further meaning to their project’, ‘but then came Manchester United, with its charm and its riches’.
It’s said the Premier League side have ‘turned off the light’ at Napoli, seemingly referring to the lightbulb moment the Serie A club had of signing Håland, whom they had begun following ‘discreetly’.
Unfortunately, along the way, they discovered there would be more competition and ‘Manchester United would bring him back to the city where his father, Alf-Inge, became a pillar for City’.
They describe the young forward as a ‘force of nature, a hymn to light-heartedness and yet also a cascade of millions of euros for Salzburg’, who will be able to ‘enjoy this announced deal with Manchester United that will multiply (ten times, twenty times?) those five million euros invested eight months ago’.
Corriere then end their article by simply stating that in Manchester, they say ‘business is business’.
We’re not exactly sure where all this has come from, but the Italian newspaper seem pretty adamant United have won the race for Håland, and it’s not far from being announced?
Inter spent a packet on Lukaku, so they would not be able to afford it now.... likewise with Juve paying Ronaldos wages and De Ligt.Serie A clubs only sign players on a free, but Inter spent a packet on Lukaku?
So many of the situations you mentioned could change. Add to that other clubs like Leipzig, Spurs, Arsenal, Napoli etc around Europe who might sell a striker and get involved. 60 mill isn’t a colossal fee anymore, it’s about normal for a decent young talent.
Salzburg have CL money and very rich owners. They have no reason to accept a 30-40m bid. That’s not the going price for a player like Håland. They know PL clubs like United are rolling in it, you spent 50 on fecking Fred FFS, why on earth would they settle for a paltry fee?
Was just reading this as well, proper daft. I'm choosing to believe it
Why can’t Real or Barsa afford it? Do people here even read Deloitte’s reports on club economies? Real and Barsa have consistently ranked right up there with us, and many times even above when it comes to their economic turnover. Not to mention no overseas owner they have to fatten the wallets of.This is also true
I'm not playing down his talent, but the risk is massive if you're paying 60m+. Real and Barca can't afford it and I doubt Atleti can either. He's not on a Free so scrap Juve or anyone in serie A. Chelsea are putting their faith in Abraham, Liverpool won't spend 60m+ on a back up to Firmino. Likewise City for Aguero/Jesus (debate whether they could afford it as well with FFP). Bayern could probably go for him, but not at that price. Dortmund would only be able to afford it if they get money in from a big transfer like Sancho.
https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/09/20/5d8493c0e2704e36938b45a2.htmlWhy can’t Real or Barsa afford it? Do people here even read Deloitte’s reports on club economies? Real and Barsa have consistently ranked right up there with us, and many times even above when it comes to their economic turnover. Not to mention no overseas owner they have to fatten the wallets of.
Says who? Maybe you should start listening to professionals and not twitter opinion, or the 'stats'.Not in the world. One of the worst coaches in the PL. Results don’t lie.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense - which is why there's zero chance of it happening.I don't think it would make sense if United were to sign him. There are already three relative young strikers at the club. Either sell one and go for the finished article such as Kane or sign an older player, someone like Murray but a few years younger. Refresh the midfield, sign a very good right winger and maybe a left back.
When did Allegri become our manager, or did I miss something?not skeptic about his potential, if nurtured properly... just skeptic about the hype
thanks, this makes perfect sense and you surely know better for your team... also your three brackets are clever and I understand fans wanting more 1s like this kid than 2s like Mandzukic or 3s like Can but I am pretty sure Allegri would go for 2s and 3s so we will see.
De Ligt has been a disaster for Juve so far. They're better off benching him and playing Demiral instead, but they already paid too much money and want to ease him in. I"m not saying it's not going to work, but he's far from the finished article.A player in his form and with the apparent ability he has can choose where he wants to go in the summer, little different to De Ligt or De Jong. If he kept up anything close to this level of performance there would be at least half a dozen big teams in for him, most of which would have CL football next year and fighting or their league title. He'd be mad to come to United in this current climate when he's probably have offers from Madrid, Barca, Athleti, Juve, etc etc etc. I hate to say it as he's the kind of signing we would have made in years gone by.
I think he fits what we'd want without doubt, young, hungry and great talent but with Martial and Rashford already here and Greenwood on the way through, I think we'd probably go for someone with experience.
Didn't Rashford have some crazy stats when he just broke through? He scored on his debut in Europa, in the league, in the FA Cup, for England. Now he can't hit a barn door, and it's clearly not a number 9. Three month stats are too short of a timeframe to make a decision, especially in our case where we need an established guy not another up and coming considering we have Rashford, Martial and Greenwoods in the books.Some numbers for this season:
Austrian bundesliga: A goal every 60 minutes. (top scorer of the tournament)
CL: A goal every 31 minutes (top scorer of the tournament)
Austrian cup: A goal every 15 minutes (top scorer of the tournament)
U20 World cup: A goal every 30 minutes (top scorer of the tournament)
Euro qualifiers (Norway): 0 goals in 90 minutes
Total: 29 goals in 1264 minutes in all tournaments (plus 5 assists)
Best conversionrate in the CL for all players scoring more than 1 goal: 0,6 goals per shoot (cleanest finisher in the business)
If we are lucky enough to get this guy in January, he should go directly into the team as the #1 striker.
Should get the chance to prove himself at any top club from the start really. In my opinion he should be worth the risk, and I really can't see why he should need more time at lower level clubs to develop. He is obviously too good for the Austrian league. This guy has the mentality and ability to succeed right away.
@SquishyMcSquish you can have him for 80-million after you sell us Kane for 180-million. Fair is fair.Serie A clubs only sign players on a free, but Inter spent a packet on Lukaku?
So many of the situations you mentioned could change. Add to that other clubs like Leipzig, Spurs, Arsenal, Napoli etc around Europe who might sell a striker and get involved. 60 mill isn’t a colossal fee anymore, it’s about normal for a decent young talent.
Salzburg have CL money and very rich owners. They have no reason to accept a 30-40m bid. That’s not the going price for a player like Håland. They know PL clubs like United are rolling in it, you spent 50 on fecking Fred FFS, why on earth would they settle for a paltry fee?
Up that to 200 and I'll do that deal .@SquishyMcSquish you can have him for 80-million after you sell us Kane for 180-million. Fair is fair.
That's like quoting the Sun or the Daily Mail