simonhch
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I’m watching it right now. The grocery store beating was absolutely laughable. It was like a spoof action movie. Some Austin Powers shit. What the feck have I just seen? Embarrassingly awful scene.
That's what you took from the film ?I’m watching it right now. The grocery store beating was absolutely laughable. It was like a spoof action movie. Some Austin Powers shit. What the feck have I just seen? Embarrassingly awful scene.
That was just where I was at the time. Posted while watching. Tbh I fell asleep a couple of times. The film was okay but I don’t really feel like there’s anything fresh in the genre. I thought it was a bit boring. Well made, but not my cup of tea.That's what you took from the film ?
He would've been him up with his shinsThat's what you took from the film ?
Yeah it's interesting. I'm reading about how the film is about consequences and morality. And other than his daughter ghosting him, Frank waltz through life and his actions like a happy chappy. What was the consequence for all of them? They grew old and died. Together. How terrible.But this process wasn't developed with any kind of finesse. We see a 30 second scene of him beating up that grocery store guy (why would he even take his daughter to that?), then another short scene where his daughter apparently reads his guilt (which to me seemed like a very convenient stretch) and that's it. His wife or mob associates didn't even turn on him. They just died from being old, something that happens to anyone - villain or saint - if they grow old enough.
Hang on, he grew old and alone without anyone to care for him, after having killed his best friend and watch others he knew end their lives in jail.Yeah it's interesting. I'm reading about how the film is about consequences and morality. And other than his daughter ghosting him, Frank waltz through life and his actions like a happy chappy. What was the consequence for all of them? They grew old and died. Together. How terrible.
I'm being harsh on the film. It was well done. But I'm a little bemused by the masterpiece reaction.
If the consequences are indeed strong, then they weren't conveyed very well IMO. De Niro just came across as an emotionally stunted individual. He was playing "gangster 275".Hang on, he grew old and alone without anyone to care for him, after having killed his best friend and watch others he knew end their lives in jail.
I think this is a response to the people who watch wolf of Wall Street and think “What a life”.These films were never intended to idolise these people. I think this is a film that shows the horrors of what they have done.
The lack of screen time for the women was purposeful. He’s the narrator of this story so we don’t hear much. The only time he takes an interest in his daughters is when they briefly impact on his gangster story. He takes his daughter to watch him batter a man because he thinks that is the type of thing you do to impress someone. He speaks about killing people in front of their children so “they’ll learn”.
He dies alone in a nice nursing home a) because he outlived his mobster pals, who died of natural causes and b) because he's emotionally crippled and didn't care about his family. Both have little to do with being a mob fixer. It's not as clearly glorified or romanticized as in some other movies, but I don't see the karmic justice at work there. Had he stayed an honest meat driver he could (perhaps would) have ended up just as old and alone, but a lot poorer.Hang on, he grew old and alone without anyone to care for him, after having killed his best friend and watch others he knew end their lives in jail.
I think this is a response to the people who watch wolf of Wall Street and think “What a life”.These films were never intended to idolise these people. I think this is a film that shows the horrors of what they have done.
The lack of screen time for the women was purposeful. He’s the narrator of this story so we don’t hear much. The only time he takes an interest in his daughters is when they briefly impact on his gangster story. He takes his daughter to watch him batter a man because he thinks that is the type of thing you do to impress someone. He speaks about killing people in front of their children so “they’ll learn”.
Why does it have to be extreme to convey a point? It's not so much the horrors, more the void-ness it ultimately brought to his life. He's an empty shell of a man by the time the film ends, and the last 30mns of the film are pretty harrowing, without having to hammer the point home. The scene of the guys playing bocce ball (I think) in wheelchairs in the cold prison yard was as hard hitting, for me, as Al Pacino howling in pain on the opera steps at the end of Godfather 3.He dies alone in a nice nursing home a) because he outlived his mobster pals, who died of natural causes and b) because he's emotionally crippled and didn't care about his family. Both have little to do with being a mob fixer. It's not as clearly glorified or romanticized as in some other movies, but I don't see the karmic justice at work there. Had he stayed an honest meat driver he could (perhaps would) have ended up just as old and alone, but a lot poorer.
And how broken up is he really about Hoffa? The story makes a point about that when it has the FBI agents plead to him to tell them about Hoffa's fate for his family's sake.
If the point of the movie was to show the "horrors" of mob life it made a terrible job of conveying it.
Jesus Christ...He takes his daughter to watch him batter a man because he thinks that is the type of thing you do to impress someone. He speaks about killing people in front of their children so “they’ll learn”.
I also don’t think all his mates died of old age. The whole film is showing you how so many people involved died in horrific and violent attacks through the film.Why does it have to be extreme to convey a point? It's not so much the horrors, more the void-ness it ultimately brought to his life. He's an empty shell of a man by the time the film ends, and the last 30mns of the film are pretty harrowing, without having to hammer the point home. The scene of the guys playing bocce ball (I think) in wheelchairs in the cold prison yard was as hard hitting, for me, as Al Pacino howling in pain on the opera steps at the end of Godfather 3.
Plus his nurse at the end has no idea who Jimmy Hoffa is.Why does it have to be extreme to convey a point? It's not so much the horrors, more the void-ness it ultimately brought to his life. He's an empty shell of a man by the time the film ends, and the last 30mns of the film are pretty harrowing, without having to hammer the point home. The scene of the guys playing bocce ball (I think) in wheelchairs in the cold prison yard was as hard hitting, for me, as Al Pacino howling in pain on the opera steps at the end of Godfather 3.
Why does it have to be extreme to convey a point? It's not so much the horrors, more the void-ness it ultimately brought to his life. He's an empty shell of a man by the time the film ends, and the last 30mns of the film are pretty harrowing, without having to hammer the point home. The scene of the guys playing bocce ball (I think) in wheelchairs in the cold prison yard was as hard hitting, for me, as Al Pacino howling in pain on the opera steps at the end of Godfather 3.
Much like watching De Niro try to express emotions in this filmPlus his nurse at the end has no idea who Jimmy Hoffa is.
His entire life and all the business dealings, it's not even remembered anymore, it's like it's all been a waste of time.
Agree with this and I felt the same while watching it.Why does it have to be extreme to convey a point? It's not so much the horrors, more the void-ness it ultimately brought to his life. He's an empty shell of a man by the time the film ends, and the last 30mns of the film are pretty harrowing, without having to hammer the point home. The scene of the guys playing bocce ball (I think) in wheelchairs in the cold prison yard was as hard hitting, for me, as Al Pacino howling in pain on the opera steps at the end of Godfather 3.
I didn't think it was a great movie either. Re the acting Pacino was good, I though Pesci was the best of them though.Well, I sat trough the entire 3 and a half hour so I can't say it's bad. It's a good movie, but it's really nothing special, I just don't see what's so great about it.
The acting crew is great if you just look at the list, but if you didn't know who they are you would probably think it's some parody about some old grandpas on speed acting gangsters. I think from the main actors, only Al Pacino was fitting for his character and did a great job, De Niro's was just ridiculous. Their main man(De Niro) of action was moving like a penguin with back problems and I am supposed to take it seriously?
I doubt I'll watch it again, and I'll happily rewatch few times any other movie from similar genre from the 80s and 90s. It's a good story, I like the cast, the style, but really not worth the hype, as expected.
They stopping for cigarettes was the funniest part for me.Watched the first 30 mins of this and it was ok but felt quite formulaic. Does it get better? I actually just started rewatching season 3 of the Sopranos after starting this
Yes. Push through i'd say. Took me a while to get into it but once Pacino is properly introduced and you start to get an idea where the movie is taking you, it got quite a lot better.Watched the first 30 mins of this and it was ok but felt quite formulaic. Does it get better? I actually just started rewatching season 3 of the Sopranos after starting this
Nah, more of the same. No surprises with plot or anything.Watched the first 30 mins of this and it was ok but felt quite formulaic. Does it get better? I actually just started rewatching season 3 of the Sopranos after starting this
This is the most significant and salient criticism, tbf.There’s nothing really to like about Frank, he just kind of ends up in that life and position by default. We never really get an insight into why these wiseguys and corrupt officials took a shine to him and trusted him. I get that Scorsese’s subjects are always despicable people, but they normally have a bit of charisma and style about them. Never got that with Frank.
It was his unassuming nature that made them take a shine to him, a WW2 veteran used to follow and kill on orders, perfect.There’s nothing really to like about Frank, he just kind of ends up in that life and position by default. We never really get an insight into why these wiseguys and corrupt officials took a shine to him and trusted him. I get that Scorsese’s subjects are always despicable people, but they normally have a bit of charisma and style about them. Never got that with Frank.
Agree. Good but nothing great.Well, I sat trough the entire 3 and a half hour so I can't say it's bad. It's a good movie, but it's really nothing special, I just don't see what's so great about it.
The acting crew is great if you just look at the list, but if you didn't know who they are you would probably think it's some parody about some old grandpas on speed acting gangsters. I think from the main actors, only Al Pacino was fitting for his character and did a great job, De Niro's was just ridiculous. Their main man(De Niro) of action was moving like a penguin with back problems and I am supposed to take it seriously?
I doubt I'll watch it again, and I'll happily rewatch few times any other movie from similar genre from the 80s and 90s. It's a good story, I like the cast, the style, but really not worth the hype, as expected.
Knowing what i know, watching them from young, it actually kinda sad watching them acting in their old ages. Kinda like their last swansong. I cant help but feel that this maybe their last hurrahWell, I sat trough the entire 3 and a half hour so I can't say it's bad. It's a good movie, but it's really nothing special, I just don't see what's so great about it.
The acting crew is great if you just look at the list, but if you didn't know who they are you would probably think it's some parody about some old grandpas on speed acting gangsters. I think from the main actors, only Al Pacino was fitting for his character and did a great job, De Niro's was just ridiculous. Their main man(De Niro) of action was moving like a penguin with back problems and I am supposed to take it seriously?
I doubt I'll watch it again, and I'll happily rewatch few times any other movie from similar genre from the 80s and 90s. It's a good story, I like the cast, the style, but really not worth the hype, as expected.
Just got to that scene. Holy hell that was horrible. The kicking was so funny, his foot was nowhere hear his head.I’m watching it right now. The grocery store beating was absolutely laughable. It was like a spoof action movie. Some Austin Powers shit. What the feck have I just seen? Embarrassingly awful scene.