Deeney always hammers big penalties down the middle... I was 99% sure he would do it again yesterday.
Feck knows why DDG doesn't know this - or why no one in our coaching staff has bothered to tell him this.
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Feck knows why DDG doesn't know this - or why no one in our coaching staff has bothered to tell him this.
He's got other much bigger issues these days but his penalty record has always been fecking atrocious.
How he manages to dive the wrong way for every penalty he ever faces is incredible. He's hopeless at them.
How he manages to dive the wrong way for every penalty he ever faces is incredible. He's hopeless at them.
He looks completely devoid of confidence now. That first goal was one of the worst mistakes I've seen from a United keeper. It was Taibi level bad.
His head seems to have completely gone. Huge test for him now. He will be targeted now by the opposition from every set piece.
His head seems to have completely gone. Huge test for him now. He will be targeted now by the opposition from every set piece.
And this is exactly what lumbered us with a past it Rooney as well. If you play for a club like Utd you CAN NOT live off past glories, you have something to prove every single time you put on the shirt, cant hack it any more? Bye bye, off you trot.
Was very happy when DeGea signed his new contract thinking that the distractions from it were putting him off his game. Now I'm going to have to have a rethink.
DeGea for me is still well within the plus column over the time he's been with us but maybe it's time to take him out of the public eye and get him training solely on dealing with crosses and being put under pressure. Isn't that what coaches are for? Taking weak points from players games and going over the same weaknesses until it becomes second nature?
DeGea for me is still well within the plus column over the time he's been with us but maybe it's time to take him out of the public eye and get him training solely on dealing with crosses and being put under pressure. Isn't that what coaches are for? Taking weak points from players games and going over the same weaknesses until it becomes second nature?
Not really, more or less as expected in terms of %.
They probably did think this is Watford who are crap. We should win this easy
so let's take a rest for a few days.I think it's good for everyone involved (including De Gea) if he were benched for a while. And luckily we have a decent backup in Romero who can step in for a while.
We weren't looking like we were going to win even if it was prime De Gea at goal, but that's no excuse for the goals he's letting in.
You'd think we had the defence sorted after splashing 130m on defenders and DDG renewed. But back to square one again. I'm not even suprised anymore.
We weren't looking like we were going to win even if it was prime De Gea at goal, but that's no excuse for the goals he's letting in.
You'd think we had the defence sorted after splashing 130m on defenders and DDG renewed. But back to square one again. I'm not even suprised anymore.
Can he be sold to PSG or somewhere. I like him and appreciate the magical saves he has made but i don't want him to tarnish his legacy and just leave with good memories. If we are looking to play from the back then he is not the keeper we should have.
The big question right now is would people trade De Gea for Karius if we could?
If he goes now he will leave with terrible memories. Hopefully he can improve and find some form soon .
He converts about 84,3% of the pens he takes, which isn't exactly bad, yet we're pretending that not saving one is atrocious.
No, what we're saying is he's faced 4 pens from Deeney, at least 3 were straight down the middle.
Also, shouldn't keepers no who they're facing? If you and me know he's going to put it down the middle (as that's his go to thing for big pens) shouldn't our team?
No, in term of % he is the worst in the league.
I think he's conceded his last 17 penalties in a row, plus all 5 against Russia in the World Cup penalty shoot out, so the last 22 penalties he's been up against he's not saved any.
That seems pretty fecking terrible to me.
I know most penalties go in, unless it's Utd taking them, but I dunno. I'd expect a keeper as good as De Gea was to have saved at least one of those 22 penalties in the last 5 years.
Some keepers has more than 25% chance to save a penalty, DDG is not fecking half that good. I cant remember the last time he saved a penalty for us in the last 5 years.
He's not saved a penalty for Utd since the FA Cup semi final against Everton in 2016.
Since coming to Utd he's saved 4 penalties, although one of them was a goal anyway because the striker put the rebound away,
He's conceded 28 penalties plus 3 penalties for Spain in that time.
Grim stats.
Dave will come good! He has saved us numerous amount of times over the year I am willing to stick by him for now. Obviously, I cannot continue to support him blindly and if he continues making howlers, then yes he should be dropped.
He won't be going anywhere anytime soon due to the fact he has signed a massive contract, unless he is willing to take a huge pay-cut.
He won't be going anywhere anytime soon due to the fact he has signed a massive contract, unless he is willing to take a huge pay-cut.
Davids first big mistake in a long time. Pretty bad timing though.
At least I hope the aliens who took his talent are winning that game against the looney tunes
Nope.
I was clamouring for us to move on from De Gea when his contract was running down. Partly because he is not the same player he used to be but the main reason is that he is not the kind of keeper we should aspire to have in the modern game.
If you look at best 2 teams in world football (City and Liverpool) both their keepers are terrific with the ball at their feet. They are both more well rounded than our Keeper. Their distribution creates chances out of nothing for their teams. Ederson regularly pummels the football 70+ yards with great accuracy leaving Aguero/Sterling/Sane clean through. If a team much more successful than ours sees the need to have this in their arsenal why shouldn't we?
De Gea's limited ability with his feet is for me a huge drawback, he used to be so much better back in the day with his feet, but now even a simple pass to AWB or Shaw on the flank he can barely manage. If we want to move forward with our style of football and the centre halfs we start prove that we do, (ball players) then we need a keeper who can play out from the back. We need an aggressive front foot keeper who is not afraid to charge from his line and snuff out danger before a striker is left one on one. Basically we need a sweeper keeper.
It will he harder to shift De Gea now he just earned a lucrative new contract but if we could my first choice would be Onana. Even though he might not be a better shot stopper he is way more rounder than the Spaniard and offers a wide range of skills. Including a superior ability to distribute.
Catastrophic mistakes like the one against Watford are only a part of the problem, his inability to be part of a forward thinking play out from back team is the biggest issue going forward and one I'd get rid of him for
If you look at best 2 teams in world football (City and Liverpool) both their keepers are terrific with the ball at their feet. They are both more well rounded than our Keeper. Their distribution creates chances out of nothing for their teams. Ederson regularly pummels the football 70+ yards with great accuracy leaving Aguero/Sterling/Sane clean through. If a team much more successful than ours sees the need to have this in their arsenal why shouldn't we?
De Gea's limited ability with his feet is for me a huge drawback, he used to be so much better back in the day with his feet, but now even a simple pass to AWB or Shaw on the flank he can barely manage. If we want to move forward with our style of football and the centre halfs we start prove that we do, (ball players) then we need a keeper who can play out from the back. We need an aggressive front foot keeper who is not afraid to charge from his line and snuff out danger before a striker is left one on one. Basically we need a sweeper keeper.
It will he harder to shift De Gea now he just earned a lucrative new contract but if we could my first choice would be Onana. Even though he might not be a better shot stopper he is way more rounder than the Spaniard and offers a wide range of skills. Including a superior ability to distribute.
Catastrophic mistakes like the one against Watford are only a part of the problem, his inability to be part of a forward thinking play out from back team is the biggest issue going forward and one I'd get rid of him for
As people have alluded to, even if he gets back to form with his shot stopping, his distribution, coming for crosses, command of area are all weak points.
Does he ever come off his line these days? He isn’t a modern goalkeeper which like it or not is the era we are currently in
Does he ever come off his line these days? He isn’t a modern goalkeeper which like it or not is the era we are currently in
Yes,
The overall save percentage of the PL is 17,7% from all seasons. But this percentage has changed over last few years with goalkeepers getting better in saving penalties and the last season record high save percentage with 26%.
Where is DDG from this 26% save rate? he less than half that percentage in his entire PL career. 25 penalties he saved only 3 which is 12%. The last penalty he saved for us in the premier league was 5 years, 2 months and 18 days ago. 5 fecking Years. His Penalty save rate in the last 5 years in the premier league is 0%. So please cut the nonsense UncleBob.
What I don't get, is how a keeper whose main attribute are his reflexes and instinctive saves can be so shite on penalties. When you're essentially reacting quickly to make an instinctive save.
I used to a decent GK (county standard) but was a smaller keeper with the same weaknesses as DDG (poor from crosses, not great at dominating the box, easily bullied) but was a fantastic shot-stopper. I was bloody quality on penalties. I don't know how DDG can be so terrible from the spot.
I used to a decent GK (county standard) but was a smaller keeper with the same weaknesses as DDG (poor from crosses, not great at dominating the box, easily bullied) but was a fantastic shot-stopper. I was bloody quality on penalties. I don't know how DDG can be so terrible from the spot.
I don't really expect too much from you, given the average quality of your post, but limiting this to the Premier League only in order to construct an argument is daft even by your standard. His overall save % is 19,6, Kepa is at 23,8%, Ederson at 16,6% , Leno at 19,% , Kasper at 25,6 and Alisson at 31%. For Alisson it's important to note that he has barely been involved in penalties, so his one penalty in the PL (Mahrez blasting it over) accounts for 6,25%.
Saving penalties is all about psychological warfare. De gea has never been an intimidating keeper. However I think he is still the best in the premier league.
Essentially, you're comparing county standard football to the highest level of football, i'd say that should be a pretty decent hint....
He pretty much always goes to his right and penalty takers know it.
With Spain against Russia he went all 4 penalties to the right. Those who saved with us long before (Van Persie, Lukaku, Baines) were all low to his right.
Actually, aside from Arsenal penalty last season can't remember a single time he went left/stayed in the middle.
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. The quality of your posts is rich, when you come here and try to tell people something opposite to the common knowledge about De Gea and penalties. You gave no information about how he is within the normal goalkeeper penalty save group.The fact I chose the premier league because it is the main tournament he plays in and we have the statistics already there in their website about the penalty saving. He stopped 3 penalties from 25 in 8 years in the PL. Where did you come up with this 19%? did you include the ones he do in friendly matches? national team and the ones he did for Ateltico Madrid when he was 16 years old? or did you include the u17 tournaments? If that is your case, then we know you have no good argument.
The fact is
De Gea's last penalty save for united in the PL was more than 5 years ago.
De Gea's penalty save percentage in the PL in the last 5 years is 0%.
Embrace the fact.
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Listened to a radio segment today with Gary Bailey speaking about goal keepers, specifically DDG and his current form. He said Ole should bench DDG for a few games to get some rest. Let Romero come in but tell DDG he’s starting again on a specific date and to hold to that date for his return. A counter argument was made, what if Romero comes in for 2-3 games and keeps 2-3 clean sheets. Bailey said DDG should still slot back in as #1. However, if his next 1-2 matches does not show any improvement, he’s benched again for Romero and they now are competing for the #1 spot.
Makes sense to me.
Makes sense to me.
People need to accept the reality that this is not a phase and accept that he is deteriorating. We have seen it in many goalkeepers who rely only on reflexes to defend their goal and have no other goalkeeping qualities. I'm afraid we are stuck with him now, but the good news is we have two good goalkeepers that will eventually take his spot next year.
He looked imperious a few games ago, such a weird player. Realistically he needs either a rocket up his arse or putting out to grass.
Pepe Reina and Iker Casillas come to mind as keepers who suffered a steep decline from world class. maybe it's a Spanish thing?
The penalty business is neither here nor there. Certain keepers just don't have it when it comes to pens, and it has little to do with their overall ability. There are several examples of overall brilliant keepers who were no good at pens. One such example would be Van der Sar - an extremely focused and intelligent keeper - whose penalty stats were very underwhelming (worse than De Gea's).
The fact that he's shaky in the area and pretty much non-existent in a "sweeper" capacity, however - well, that's a problem.
The fact that he's shaky in the area and pretty much non-existent in a "sweeper" capacity, however - well, that's a problem.
I agree. I said the same, that he should be dropped and replaced. He has been poor now for almost 2 years. He pulls off the occasional good save now but what keeper doesnt. I've always liked big Dave, seems like a really nice guy but I just think he is not good enough anymore, compare his form over the last 2 years to van der saar in his late 30's. We are stuck with him now however due to the large contract.
I agree, it is not a deal breaker. He has more important flaws in his goalkeeping game than penalty saving.
As far as I’m concerned he started to decline (or at least stopped improving) when we sacked Franz Hoek and brought in “his mentor” as he demanded.
Small saving grace is his new contract was 3 years and not 5 years. We could still potentially sell but his wages could be a problem.
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