He needs to read a book or two
about decision making
about decision making
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No more than Rashford or Martial against Newcastle.He needs to read a book or two
about decision making
That's extremely generous. His decision making was once again way off, I thought. It seems like whenever he is breaking with the ball he always messes it up by picking the wrong pass, holding on to the ball for too long or shooting when he shouldn't.
He has a long way to go, to prove that he belongs in the squad. I still narrowly prefer him over Lingard (at least in home games), but they are not far apart.
Its not at all generous, I just watched the match in detail.
Its okay for you not to like a player despite them being good. Because they arent your type of player or they do something you dont like. But it doesnt diminish that they are good.
We had lots of hateful comments about Nani for years and since he's left, lots of positive ones from people realising how good he actually was.
As for the match, he had one break away where he played the ball to the forward left for a striker instead of to Greenwood in more space to his right. He had one moment on the edge of the box where things were congested and he tried to shoot with his left foot. Both decisions could have been better.
He had the goal setup, a nice flick out to the right and several nice passes in the buildup with good decision making.
Rashford and Martial made decisions that didnt come off at times as well, they don't have people lying and saying they never pick a good pass though. If you watched the match against Newcastle you can easily tell that in that performance most of his passes were correct.
Should have done much better on both occasions
I watched the match as well. I just came away with a different impression of his performance.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking Pereira. I actually like his spirit and his general attitude a lot, and I want academy players to succeed as much as the next fan. That is not related to his performance or potential though. To suggest my post was hateful is downright ridiculous.
The gifs posted above shows Pereira's limitations quite well. If you want to play the no. 10 position at this club you should be getting these decisions right most of the time - Pereira does not. A nice layoff or a few good touches against a horrendous Newcastle side does not change that. Pereira will be 24 in a couple of days, and he has not convinced me that he has the quality to start in a team that should aim to finish in the top 4.
He’s nowhere near good enough. Nothing against the guy, he works hard too, but the quality simply isn’t there.
The point is he did have several good team-appreciating one touch passes to set up teammates in good positions. Nobody is saying he got every decision right, but compared to his previous games where he tried lots of things and only a few came off, most things came off and only a few didnt. Thats the difference
If he played like that every week he'd be good enough to start in the hole, but he hasnt played like that every week which is why hes a squad player.
Pereira is a better option for the 10 when we play defensive teams, until we get a quality playmaker or CM and play Pogba there.
He's clearly not a viable long term option, but thought he had a good game yesterday, despite obvious poor decisions. Busy, some nice layoffs and some good efforts from free kicks.
2nd gif is shocking.
He was very harshly dropped for his performances at CM even though he should’ve been moved back to 10 at the first opportunity. Although Solskjaer seemed determined to gift Lingard back his starting 11 position, even though it’s clear as day he hadn’t earned it and it came off the back of an admittedly great goal against Astana but not his actual performance. Every game Pereira plays shows to me why he’s our best option for the role until we can buy an upgrade, he’s far from perfect but he’s certainly someone I’d keep around going forward. His drive and energy are good although as others have mentioned his decision making needs some work just looking up every now and then would do wonders for that aspect of his game.
Neither are worse than Rashford or Martial's decision making.
The 2nd one, he almost puts Martial into a better goalscoring position than Greenwood is in. However, because he doesnt manage it and the Greenwood pass is easier to execute its obviously the wrong choice. But Martial isnt far off getting there so if he executed the pass 15% better it would have resulted in a better chance than Greenwood had. Martial would still have had to work hard for it but its neither a bad idea nor a terribly executed pass. Just there were easier options more likely to work
Perreira is a horrible player, one of the worst at his position, just a horrible AM but still so much better and a huge upgrade over Lingard.
Problem is that he doesn't seem aware at all that Greenwood is available.
Given the movement(s) of everyone involved, I'd say the Greenwood option is clearly the right one. If the latter gets that ball, he cuts in and has multiple options in a very dangerous position. If Martial manages to control that ball and goes on to score, nobody worries much about Pereira (obviously) - but it's still the wrong choice. It's not positively shocking, I'd agree with that - but it does illustrate something. He doesn't think quickly on his feet. Martial making that run is right in front of him, he can't miss it, and he goes for it as the most obvious move given what's (again) right in front of him. A top notch playmaker would've gone for Greenwood.
Given the movement(s) of everyone involved, I'd say the Greenwood option is clearly the right one. If the latter gets that ball, he cuts in and has multiple options in a very dangerous position. If Martial manages to control that ball and goes on to score, nobody worries much about Pereira (obviously) - but it's still the wrong choice. It's not positively shocking, I'd agree with that - but it does illustrate something. He doesn't think quickly on his feet. Martial making that run is right in front of him, he can't miss it, and he goes for it as the most obvious move given what's (again) right in front of him. A top notch playmaker would've gone for Greenwood.
Heh I can see that but I actually think Rashford was the right choice there. Rashford, then Greenwood, then Martial. Rashford was the closest to goal and was running in space. Greenwood too sure. Martial was the 3rd best option, it would have been a bit tricky and would require some technique from Martial.
He had 3 good options there.
Talking about the first gif...
2nd gif, Greenwood all the way, no one else.
The problem is that he plays in a position where intelligence and correct decision-making are of utmost importance. When you're the conduit through which a team's attacks flow, you're afforded far less leeway to to make the wrong pass, especially in a team that already struggles to create against deep-sitting opposition. I don't want to detract from his performance yesterday because he was decent, but the team's level would be immediately elevated if we had a more consistent, intelligent player there.
Heh, well - possibly.
But if he goes for Greenwood, Rashford AND Martial are in play immediately as targets for a well placed pass from Greenwood (the latter is further wide, so less of an option - immediately - for Rashford, as the ball carrier).
At any rate, Martial is the worst option, since he has much less space to work in: it's not a terrible option, because Martial does have the ability to finish from that (tight) position - but, yeah: 3 options, the one he went for was the worst.
I agree with the idea about his position needing good choices, but his performance yesterday was far better than decent. He had a bunch of examples of exactly what you're talking about linking with teammates to get them into good positons.
2 gifs from 90 minutes doesnt change that. It just means he wasnt perfect
And again, he hasnt played like that every week. So I agree he hasnt been consistent enough to be a starter in that position if we want to be at the top of the table. Just out of what we have right now he's clearly the best and if he can play like he did against Newcastle most weeks, then he'd be a great backup in that position too.
He had a good game. Probably the best option we have for that position without taking a good look at Pogba.
But he isn't a long term solution. Good squad player though.
Bit OTT
Agree with this, sadly. More than happy to have him as a squad option, but that should be the extent of it.
No doubt. But the problem with Pereira, as I see it at least, is that he has shown nothing to indicate that he can handle scenarios where he doesn't have time and space on his side.
He isn't a terrible footballer from a technical viewpoint and he can - clearly - look decent when given enough time on the ball (and ample space to work in). That says very little, though, at the end of the day about his ultimate potential on the highest level.
Useful squad man in a brilliant team (one good enough to find themselves more often than not in control of the match) - yeah, that's possible. But that can be said for any number of players. Useful here and now? Only in matches where we find ourselves in control of the match because the opposition is a bit shite, all things said and done. Like yesterday.
WTF... Greenwood is in acres of space and would have a one on one with the keeper! Just look at Pogba’s reaction as soon as the wrong pass is made... his awareness is very poor
No, the defender comes across because Andreas played the ball for Martial. If he had played the ball to Greenwood he'd have gone to him instead, so not one on one
Did well yesterday imo in spite of missing the pass to Greenwood. I'm no fan but bashing should be reserved when he actually plays poorly.
For the most part I can see where you're coming from in terms of overall this season, but against Newcastle he was very quick with his thinking and distribution most of the time, setting teammates free and in space.The best of our attackers at it on the day.
So again if he can do that most weeks rather than making the wrong choices most weeks which is what he's done more often this season, then he's a good option
Its just one match but hopefully the maturity and appreciation for teammates in space that he showed will continue in his other matches. Because its new and refreshing.
Usually this season he's trying difficult passes to try and force the play, when it isnt really on. And if he executed it right it would be great, but he kept failing to have that sublime quality needed to do what he was attempting.
He was far more composed and simple with his play, but also far more successful with it against Newcastle. And it wasnt because he had lots of time, it was because he had a better team-focused mindset rather than trying to be a superstar and thread the needle himself with hollywood passes.
I think there's a bigger picture here though with that moment.
All he had to was look at his options but he didn't lift his head once. You can't expect to be a creative midfielder for Manchester United if you don't possess this basic attribute.
To play as a 10/ near the top of the pitch you need to be a quick thinker and decision maker. He just doesn’t have it.
he’s a decent squad player that can fill some positions, but if he’s still a starter in this team by next year we seriously need to rethink. It’s clear he just isn’t good enough in a number of areas.
That pass to Greenwood was the most obvious thing in the world, martial made a great dummy run but he just completely misread the situation.
he’s a decent squad player that can fill some positions, but if he’s still a starter in this team by next year we seriously need to rethink. It’s clear he just isn’t good enough in a number of areas.
That pass to Greenwood was the most obvious thing in the world, martial made a great dummy run but he just completely misread the situation.
Actually, I do agree with this - to some extent.
He has been trying too hard in certain matches earlier this season - going for overly difficult choices rather than keeping it ticking over. This is a matter of experience, game time, settling properly in - sure. I don't think he's an inherently stupid player.
If he can use his basic ability to play a "team game", and if he can do so consistently, he can become a good (squad) player - yes.
Indeed!
He also dwaddles on the ball too long and does his pointless stepovers with no opposition defender with a 5 meter radius. Thanks Andreas, you just just wasted a few precious seconds off the counter.
Yep. So hopefully the Newcastle game isnt a one off and its because something clicked since his last start, or he's been coached to improve that part of his game
totally agree, played well even with missing Greenwood. He of course has had bad games, this sure was not one of them.
Works hard and I've nothing against him he's just obviously never going to be good enough.
2nd gif is mental, Martial does the hard work for him and pulls everyone away from Greenwood to give him an easy pass.
That being said, decent overall yesterday and I'd still take him over Lingard as a no.10 every time until we find someone better.
2nd gif is mental, Martial does the hard work for him and pulls everyone away from Greenwood to give him an easy pass.
That being said, decent overall yesterday and I'd still take him over Lingard as a no.10 every time until we find someone better.
No-one is claiming he is going to be good enough to be our 10 long term so not sure where all these "will never be good enough" takes are coming from. Like no shit...
He is our best 10 at the moment and should be a rotation option once we bring a 10 in.
He is our best 10 at the moment and should be a rotation option once we bring a 10 in.
Shoots when he needs to pass,
Passes when he needs to shoot.
Passes when he needs to shoot.
Just ban him from shooting outside the box and see how his decision making improves. He can be a very intricate palyer but trying to score low percentage chances all the time is making him look way worse than he is.
Then he would have shot instead of setting Martial up for the first goal
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.Then he would have shot instead of setting Martial up for the first goal
Oh I don't know. He made a poor choice but there's not much more to it. This happens all the time with players more gifted than him. But obviously your conclusion is right that he's not shown he has what it takes.
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