Just think it seems silly to be walking out at a stage where the club are clearly in my view heading back in the right direction. The board have made some shocking decisions over the years but they also appear to be doing things differently with Ole and personally I feel optimistic. Bring on the negativity...
Fans planning Old Trafford walkout
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Seems a bit weird if people are walking out and we’re winning the game quite comfortable, also say fernandes doesn’t start the match then surely people are going to want to stay to see him in action the second halve?
I'll bring on some realism for you.
You could have said that (and many fans have) each season for the past 6 years.
Ultimately they have made mistake after mistake, and until the senior management structure is changed in relation to football decisions they will make even more mistakes.
Dont be complacent after a couple of signings. One of which is a cheap replacement for Lukaku. Another mistake highlighted, not replacing him immediately.
I've never got this point of view. It is possible to dislike the Glazers and still want to support the club. There are a myriad of reasons for supporters to not want go walk out. This type of protest isn't some magic bullet. Your own club FC United are a perfectly example of that.
It’s possible for the club to be progressing from where we’ve been recently and still hate the owners and Ed. I don’t see how we will ever compete with the best teams in Europe again with Ed running the football side of things though.
A mass walk in on 15 minutes, everyone signing anti Glazer songs would be far more productive than a few thousand people dotted around the ground walking out. Still wouldn’t be great though, as you’d need a mass group of people in one section for the chants to work. TRA won’t do it because the club could just pull the plug on that.
Bruno will be subbed on right before the walkout begins.
I'm sure it's been said before, but the walkout idea is really not good. Though I applaud the intent.
The idea that half the stadium is going to get up and leave at the same time, when there's no predicting how the match will be at the time, is fantasy.
Far better, imho, to organise a late entry. Leave it 20-30 minutes into the game, with mass protest and chants outside the ground, then walk in together and support the team for the rest of the match(with a good airing of anti glazer singing). I think more are likely to be persuaded to wait outside and miss the start, than leave when the match may be in the balance or at a particularly exciting stage.
Of course, neither way hurts the glazer pocket, but that's not the point here. The point is to send a clear message. That the fans are capable of unity, and that if pushed hard enough by the draining of money from our club, even a fanbase as massive and diverse as ours, will eventually fight back in ways that will hurt their profits.
The idea that half the stadium is going to get up and leave at the same time, when there's no predicting how the match will be at the time, is fantasy.
Far better, imho, to organise a late entry. Leave it 20-30 minutes into the game, with mass protest and chants outside the ground, then walk in together and support the team for the rest of the match(with a good airing of anti glazer singing). I think more are likely to be persuaded to wait outside and miss the start, than leave when the match may be in the balance or at a particularly exciting stage.
Of course, neither way hurts the glazer pocket, but that's not the point here. The point is to send a clear message. That the fans are capable of unity, and that if pushed hard enough by the draining of money from our club, even a fanbase as massive and diverse as ours, will eventually fight back in ways that will hurt their profits.
I get that. My point is that there's a million ideas on how to protest but nobody is willing to take the lead on anything.
The other issue is there needs to be an end game. How far are people willing to go. I fear everything just reaches the summer and everyone renews and things go back to normal for 5 years before another protest kicks off because we have a bad season...
If the team are playing garbage, which is always possible right now with our wild inconsistency, I see half the stadium upholding the walk out. If we are playing well it will be difficult to get enough out to look like a protest.
I get the feeling Ole will happen to bring Fernandes on at 55 mins to replace Lingard. Jesse will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
I get the feeling Ole will happen to bring Fernandes on at 55 mins to replace Lingard. Jesse will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
Waste of time. The club only listens to the fans when the fans are on the same page as the club. Always was and has never changed. In the past we were even told our opinions were irrelevant. All a walk out means to the club is: they get the money and the Fans left early.
Old Trafford...
I think this is the nearest home game to the 6th, so I whether I agreed or not with the idea of the protest, I would never take part if I were there.
Another day yes, this one, no way.
Another day yes, this one, no way.
Can you kids don't do it? It's so cringe..
Can this be expanded on though please? I see this 'football decisions' line repeated over and over again but very little context or substance to go with it. I have asked many a person to explain the structure of the club and scouting along with examples of specific decisions made and detail on who agreed what and when etc but I've had nothing.
I'm not disagreeing in full but other than general fan discontent and a lot of media hype, with pretty much fuels the fan discontent we don't get much solid information and this, along with hindsight and a lot of revisionism seems to be leaving people with a far worse opinion of us than I suspect we really deserve.
I feel I need to clarify, because this is the internet of course, that I'm not suggesting we have been perfectly run but when you say we can't make good football decisions and we have made mistake after mistake but most of these are in hindsight. At the time, a large majority of the fan base seemed optimistic or in favour of most of the decisions made with the exception really of Moyes and that Summer. Even then, it wasn't uncommon to see messages of general support, some optimism and getting behind him/respecting Fergie's request to back him.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/man...le-in-giggs-player-coach-albert-stays.370530/
In terms of managers, we have brought in Moyes, LVG and Mourinho prior to Solskjaer.
LVG came with a very good CV and if you browse back to before/at the time of his appointment, people we again generally optimistic. Certainly no overwhelming calls that this was a mistake or a bad choice. This was another decision that at the time, people felt was solid, sensible and could lead to success. Whilst not littered with success, LVG did bring a trophy to his time here.
Fast forward to Mourinho and this was a bit more divided but he came with a brilliant record and it was difficult to call how it would go. A good start and a second place finish along with the Europa league helped during his tenure but at the time of his appointment, he could easily be regarded as a solid choice. Someone who has a great CV, can come back in and steady the ship. Possibly a more short term appointment but one that made sense all the same.
Then if you go back and review comments after most of our signings, very rarely were they called bad signings or mistakes. The baord have seemingly backed the manager (with the exception of Moyes) and allowed them to generally bring signings in that suit their goal or style.
Under LVG we brought in:
Herrera
Di Maria
Falcao
Shaw
Rojo
Fosu-Mensah
Valdes
Whilst shipping out players such as Kagawa, Buttner, Bebe, Fletcher, Wellbeck, Anderson amongst others. All Ferguson players and all had been deemed not good enough, under performers or a flop. Even Fergie wasn't perfect I guess?
His signings were generally met with a lot of optimism - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lou...cao-and-blind-unveiled-11-09-14.396414/page-2 - look through a lot of comments here
More general optimism - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-rojo-herrera-di-maria-mata-bromance.396520/
People were generally ecstatic as bringing in Di Maria - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/official-manchester-united-sign-Ángel-di-maría.395387/
There were a lot of positives around Mourinho's signings - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinhos-signings.424402/
Plenty of people were calling for Solskjaer to be given a permanent contract before he got the job. Our form and play was so good that he was backed more and more to get the job. Go and look at fan channels, Neville and other sources at the time, a lot of optimism around this as well. United legend, managed the reserve team, understood the club, the culture, you could tell the players respected him, the fans did as well etc.
Again, not an overwhelming criticism that this was a clueless move from the board and was a massive mistake.
Most of the decisions made, most of the transfers in and manager decisions to both appoint and dismiss have generally been supported at the time.
If the fan base and general football world, fan channels, pundits etc have generally supported a lot of these decisions then how can we look back now and accuse the board of being clueless? Change may be needed but clueless?
I could drag up more and more comments, videos, threads from other forums as well that supported a lot of what has happened - at the time - and it's important to remember this.
A lot hasn't worked out and we may well need to review the structure and get some more help in but to summarise, I think it's getting a bit out of hand in terms of accusing people of incompetence. People are almost trying to out do each other on how much hyperbole they could add in to how bad we/the board/Woodward are and have been that it's getting silly.
We're not in a great place currently but let's not pretend we've been calling everything out as and when it happened because we haven't. People BUZZED off signing Pogba. We've tried appointing managers that people have generally backed at the time, we've supported them with signings they wanted for a large part and signings that people were generally happy with. We've spent a lot of money on transfers, brought in some top, top players as well as some top prospects (at the time. Shaw and Memphis being 2 examples of players that were seen to have very high ceilings).
Our biggest failing has been moving from manager to manager who do not share a general philosophy. It's left the squad with pockets of different types of players and styles and we look now to be pressing reset and looking to put together a squad of players that even if we move Ole on, we can bring someone in who will be happy to work with them. Not have to look to try and ship out 7 or 8 and bring 7 or 8 more in but get sacked part way through doing so and so the cycle starts again.
It's easy for us to sit here and act like experts on a forum and we have the right to debate and critique but as I said, it's getting a little bit over the top now. I don't feel like we have made awful decision after awful decision it's just multiple things didn't work out, players didn't click or develop and throw in some blame to go in terms of the structure and I think you've got a LOT of different reasons we are where we are. I wish we could discuss these in a sensible, more detailed manner rather than literally hold Woodward up as the one reason we're in the position we are. Throw in the constant ad hominem attacks and there's almost no debated or discussion currently, just lots of tantrums and people with very short memories.
A few signings and everyone loves Woodward again 
Our club is doomed.
Our club is doomed.
It still will be as it is taking place on the match closest to the Munich anniversary.
This is such a poorly timed protest, who organised it? MUST? Can't see it getting any attention!
Got an email from MUST last night asking for applause on the 58th minute and a walkout on the 68th. Unsure if I'll follow, depends what the score is I guess.
For the people against the walkout.....do you have any other suggestions that are a realistic way to display dissatisfaction with the running of the club?
Don’t think there is anyone on here who said they will do it is there? I won’t be.
No.A few signings and everyone loves Woodward again
Our club is doomed.
I am not for walkout. I don't care enough about this club right now.
However. I am sick and tired of the people saying don't do this, don't do that without putting up any ideas.
However. I am sick and tired of the people saying don't do this, don't do that without putting up any ideas.
I'd much rather walk out and make a stand than watch the usual dross for the remaining 20-30 minutes.
Come on! Walk out and make a statement today!
#GlazersOut #WoodwardOut
Come on! Walk out and make a statement today!
#GlazersOut #WoodwardOut
People who are complaining about poor timing for a walk out just don’t get it. It’s not about timing. It’s not about because we bought 1 player 2 days ago that we should “hold off”. This needs to be done because of long lasting effects the Glazer family and EW has had on the club.
I don’t understand the point of this. People say the club isn’t managed properly, that the Glazers don’t spend money or that Ed Woodward is an idiot but there’s no proof of any of this. They say the signings have been terrible but is it Ed’s fail that big name players haven’t performed? That Di Maria was a cry baby? That Van Gaal player tumescent football, that Mourinho wound up everyone he talked to?
If anything, Ed and the board are guilty of thinking that big names and big reputations would carry on our success - to be honest, there are not many out there that wouldn’t have thought that was the best option. Now they know it’s not, we’ve seen a shift and they are supporting Ole, not only in backing his ideas but also in the transfer market - we’ve spent over £45m on three players in two windows! That’s not under investment, no club is made of money!
any time I hear criticism it’s 100% based on media articles that are solely written to sell or opinion based on nothing more than “I dislike Woodward”
personally, I think the club is going in the right direction. I’d quite like a director of football but I think Ole has been unlucky with key injuries this season - with Rashford, Pogba and McT playing alongside Bruno, I think we’d look a LOT better.
I am by no means a fan of the Glazers and how they purchased the clubbut I haven’t seen anything to say that we should walk out on the team. The managers and (big) players we have signed just haven’t done the business. That’s on them.
If anything, Ed and the board are guilty of thinking that big names and big reputations would carry on our success - to be honest, there are not many out there that wouldn’t have thought that was the best option. Now they know it’s not, we’ve seen a shift and they are supporting Ole, not only in backing his ideas but also in the transfer market - we’ve spent over £45m on three players in two windows! That’s not under investment, no club is made of money!
any time I hear criticism it’s 100% based on media articles that are solely written to sell or opinion based on nothing more than “I dislike Woodward”
personally, I think the club is going in the right direction. I’d quite like a director of football but I think Ole has been unlucky with key injuries this season - with Rashford, Pogba and McT playing alongside Bruno, I think we’d look a LOT better.
I am by no means a fan of the Glazers and how they purchased the clubbut I haven’t seen anything to say that we should walk out on the team. The managers and (big) players we have signed just haven’t done the business. That’s on them.
Applause on the 58th min is a great idea. We should have been doing that on the closest home game anyway.
I'm not against the walkout but I feel it’ll never be co-ordinated enough to be anywhere near a visual success to have the desired effect. If it ends up looking like a patchy City home crowd against lower league opposition it’ll just reflect badly on us. I just hope the people walking out don't get into arguments with any people who disagree … and vice versa.
Whatever happens (even if the walkout is 100%) I fear the likes of the Daily Mail will not report and explain the real reasons behind the action. They will probably report about spoilt and disingenuous fans complaining after a “positive” window by the club management and will somehow tie it to the “attack” on Woodward’s house mid-week.
I'm not against the walkout but I feel it’ll never be co-ordinated enough to be anywhere near a visual success to have the desired effect. If it ends up looking like a patchy City home crowd against lower league opposition it’ll just reflect badly on us. I just hope the people walking out don't get into arguments with any people who disagree … and vice versa.
Whatever happens (even if the walkout is 100%) I fear the likes of the Daily Mail will not report and explain the real reasons behind the action. They will probably report about spoilt and disingenuous fans complaining after a “positive” window by the club management and will somehow tie it to the “attack” on Woodward’s house mid-week.
It would be hilarious if the plan to walk-out is scrapped because we signed a player.
I wonder how much impact the signings of Bruno and Ighalo will have had in the match goers who're planning this walkout.
The United fans are generally a stoic bunch, so I expect them to follow through with this threat regardless.
The United fans are generally a stoic bunch, so I expect them to follow through with this threat regardless.
When I first read about a walk out, I thought, oh no, the Scousers are going to have a field day with this and what they see as the continuous comedy centred around the running of our club. You only have to look at their comments in rags like the vile Mailonline for example everytime there is a story about United.
And then I thought, some Scouse fans seem to be more obsessed about United's failures than their own club. Doesn't matter what we do, they pounce on it.
So feck it! Go for it!
And then I thought, some Scouse fans seem to be more obsessed about United's failures than their own club. Doesn't matter what we do, they pounce on it.
So feck it! Go for it!
Fans to Ed : We are planning a mass walkout at 58 minutes
Ed to Ole : Bring on Bruno at 57th minute
Ed to fans : Checkmate
On a serious note, I think this should have been planned in the middle of the January transfer window, not sure how effective it is now since we did reasonably ok in this window.
Ed to Ole : Bring on Bruno at 57th minute
Ed to fans : Checkmate
On a serious note, I think this should have been planned in the middle of the January transfer window, not sure how effective it is now since we did reasonably ok in this window.
I hope there isn’t a walk out. Makes us look daft.
The owners/management aren’t going anywhere, unlikely players we’re targeting are going to sign for us seeing our fan base behave like that.
The owners/management aren’t going anywhere, unlikely players we’re targeting are going to sign for us seeing our fan base behave like that.
68 mins it is then
I’m on board with this but knowing the glazers it won’t change a thing. They’ve got your money.
Dont walk out, be silent and take it.
Cringeworthy. So small time.
I disagree strongly. If people really want to make a clear statement then a walkout is about as good as it gets.
Agreed. Good post.
My feelings also.
I'm not against fans communicating their views to the board. But what do they hope to achieve in this walk out?
It doesn't demand a response.
The discontent among fans at Glazer ownserhip isn't a new development.
Fan support for the protest is still unknown with 3 hours to go.
It's literally what children do when they aren't happy. Everyone can shrug their shoulders and ignore the walk out, Sportbible can pick up the story and spin it to make our fanbase look pathetic and it'll be quickly brushed over or condemnd by the pundits.
Its cringeworthy.
Jesus christ take off the blindfold. It's been a shit show for 6 seasons now and our transfer policy is the laughingstock of the sport. Our owners are terrible, our manager is bang average at best and our players are inconsistent and lack leadership.
We are all over the place regardless of the baby steps we've taken. We just signed a player who should have been here last summer and an ex Watford striker on loan from China through sheer panic because of shitty planning.
To say everything is rosey going forward even though we have the same fools running the show is very naive.
If this continues, we won't even need a walkout. Empty seats will start showing up given enough time.