Sorry? Criticism has been warranted. Now there's been improvement, let's hope it continues. These type of games we know he has the right setup for. Let's see where we're at at the end of the season.
I'm sorry Ole
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That was my first reaction as well, but then again - not by much. Putting Messi aside, who is obviously world's best ever, the average quality of current City players is not far from Barca under Pep. On the flip side, Fergie certainly had way better players, as well – so there's that. I think the real difference is: Fergie played Pep in Champions League, not a derby. That is probably more of a difference. I don't think Ole is better manager than Fergie
, but he's doing well for sure.In reality, some slow substitutions during the games aside, if you look at Ole's tactics - in most games he's done an outstanding job with the players he's had. The guy has a good head on his shoulders - that's just a fact.
Messi makes a monumental difference, plus you cannot compare their clowns in midfield with those of Barca. Also the fullbacks were betterw Puyol better than any of their CBsThat was my first reaction as well, but then again - not by much. Putting Messi aside, who is obviously world's best ever, the average quality of current City players is not far from Barca under Pep. On the flip side, Fergie certainly had way better players, as well – so there's that. I think the real difference is: Fergie played Pep in Champions League, not a derby. That is probably more of a difference. I don't think Ole is better manager than Fergie
In reality, some slow substitutions during the games aside, if you look at Ole's tactics - in most games he's done an outstanding job with the players he's had. The guy has a good head on his shoulders - that's just a fact.
Messi/Xavi/Iniesta was just too much to contain
No, I want him to succeed. And by his capabilities, succeeding would be getting into the champions league. Then this summer, replace him with either Pochettino or Nagelsman. The problem with Ole is that his brand of football is reactive and similar to Mourinho where there is a big emphasis on counter attacking football. That is not the philosophy I want at United. I want philosophy that is progressive and have us playing good football.
If Ole stays another season, he will need to have an Amazing squad to accomplish anything significant. Which means, more outspending of our rivals. He is not like Klopp, Nagelsman or Pochettino who don’t needs to spends millions just to have a functioning team. Sir Alex was the same, where he doesn’t need to spend crazy amounts to have functioning team. Under Sir Alex, we were not near the top in spending. However, it is different with our current managers. These are the type of managers that will take us to the next level. Not managers who needs crazy amount of money just to have a functioning team. That is where the similarity with Di Matteo lies as he will eventually be found out/has been found out if he doesn’t improve his managerial capabilities.
If we are going to back our manager with huge sums of cash, I rather we give that amount of money to managers who have proven to have done well with limited resources and have a more progressive philosophy.
Yeah that not what happen on here. It was basically people have a break down calling for him to be sacked.
I agree. If there's one thing that doesn't fit in with a club like United it's counter attacking football.
We've clearly had an up and down season. We played Manchester City off the park in their own ground around the same time that we went to Vicarage Road and fell flat on our faces, despite going there with the wind in our sails and a genuine sense of optimism.
We're having that kind of a season because we have not fully addressed the shortcomings in the squad and because the players are getting used to the new manager. If we hadn't signed Bruno, Jesse would have probably played there today. Then we would have probably lost and everyone would be pointing the finger at Solskjaer instead of the glaring fact that we don't have the personnel at our disposal to play the way we want to.
People need to be patient and give Solskjaer time. We made a brave move during the summer by cutting our losses with certain players who would have performed more consistently than the younger players we have replaced them with. Getting rid of the likes of Herrera and Lukaku weakened us in the short term, but their departures have allowed us to start afresh because it was clear that they didn't really fit in with the vision Ole has, one I feel that most of us share. I think if Lukaku were still here he would have bagged at least 15 goals, but we would still be playing to his strengths which go against the grain of how we want to play.
In this situation you either have to clear the decks because you are unsatisfied with the incremental progress or look at the positives and see how they can be built on. I'm definitely in the latter camp and just don't see how drafting in a new manager will consolidate the improvements we have made this season; it's far more likely to throw everything into disarray.
We're having that kind of a season because we have not fully addressed the shortcomings in the squad and because the players are getting used to the new manager. If we hadn't signed Bruno, Jesse would have probably played there today. Then we would have probably lost and everyone would be pointing the finger at Solskjaer instead of the glaring fact that we don't have the personnel at our disposal to play the way we want to.
People need to be patient and give Solskjaer time. We made a brave move during the summer by cutting our losses with certain players who would have performed more consistently than the younger players we have replaced them with. Getting rid of the likes of Herrera and Lukaku weakened us in the short term, but their departures have allowed us to start afresh because it was clear that they didn't really fit in with the vision Ole has, one I feel that most of us share. I think if Lukaku were still here he would have bagged at least 15 goals, but we would still be playing to his strengths which go against the grain of how we want to play.
In this situation you either have to clear the decks because you are unsatisfied with the incremental progress or look at the positives and see how they can be built on. I'm definitely in the latter camp and just don't see how drafting in a new manager will consolidate the improvements we have made this season; it's far more likely to throw everything into disarray.
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All this hate will be the new Fergie Out sheet to paint on
Woohoo, stop right there. SAF or Klopp all needed to spend, not sure about Pochettino, the guy recruited 27 players or something in his time at Spurs.
So let's cut this crap. Everyone needs better players. Full stop.
But at equal players, Ole is not bad at all tactically, and to be honest, he's implementing an idea and an identity. That translates into the passion of the players. It's going to pay off soon.
Again, I urge to remember Ole played well in European games against way better opposition with s***** players. With better players? We are going to improve.
Di Matteo is not at all the same in this context.
Also, I really don't understand why Jose gets into that equation. Jose is a guy who is going to play compact and super low. We do not. We mostly play high press and sometimes play low to absorb pressure. This is very different. Jose doesn't counter press, we do as soon as we lose the ball. It seems that we are working even more off the ball to cut the ball passes.
Jose doesn't do that. At best, Jose pushes the DM down to split the CB and play 3 at the back and supposedly pushes the full backs but they don't really push that much because everyone plays low, so... I don't think we play like Jose.
Stopped there. What garbage.
Sure lets get a manager with 18 defeats in his last 36 matches
Typical day on caf
Got to say, I didn’t believe he had it in him. But looks like he has what it takes to turn things around. Maguire, AWB, Bruno and even Ighalo have been the right signings so far.
I’ll still reserve judgement to the end of the season, but he seems to learn from previous mistakes and this is the most gelled I’ve seen our squad play in years. Long may this continue.
I’ll still reserve judgement to the end of the season, but he seems to learn from previous mistakes and this is the most gelled I’ve seen our squad play in years. Long may this continue.
Counter attacking football is what gets you the results in the big games. Of course, the Poch apologists won't understand that because his big game record is appalling. There's a reason he never has won a trophy as manager.
Right... so you think Ole was the most talented striker at Utd? Or in the PL at the time?
Or you think Ole is the most talented coach?
Actually own your post and specify what exactly is 'garbage' about the sentence - "just as he did as a player, he brings great highs despite not being the most talented in his position."
Be specific.
I hope he won’t be relying solely on Bruno. We will be predictable.
Nah I’m not sorry at all. I think there are some real signs of promise with this project and I think Ole is improving as a manager. It’s indisputable imo he’s created the best atmosphere at times post SAF, which is no small feat and is such a huge factor in being successful, players and fans aren’t robots.
I’ll still maintain he was woefully naive last summer and too trusting of certain players. He also seemed to be trying to phase out Matic and some others, which was a mistake. Some posters on this forum would be telling us that half the squad that have been playing like top 4 last few games were all ‘deadwood’ and needed binning, like Matic, Fred, Martial, Shaw etc. Glad it’s starting to become apparent just what an obscene amount of bollocks that is.
I thought the above mistakes really had his goose cooked but I’m delighted he’s turning it round. It’s definitely a case of learning from mistakes though, rather than this being all part of his master plan from day one, like some morons on this forum would have you believe. I don’t think he’s a great manager yet but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out that he might become one. His managerial career here atm is a bit like you thought it was game over and then he’s come on in the 81st minute and scored the winner in the 92nd.
I’ll still maintain he was woefully naive last summer and too trusting of certain players. He also seemed to be trying to phase out Matic and some others, which was a mistake. Some posters on this forum would be telling us that half the squad that have been playing like top 4 last few games were all ‘deadwood’ and needed binning, like Matic, Fred, Martial, Shaw etc. Glad it’s starting to become apparent just what an obscene amount of bollocks that is.
I thought the above mistakes really had his goose cooked but I’m delighted he’s turning it round. It’s definitely a case of learning from mistakes though, rather than this being all part of his master plan from day one, like some morons on this forum would have you believe. I don’t think he’s a great manager yet but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out that he might become one. His managerial career here atm is a bit like you thought it was game over and then he’s come on in the 81st minute and scored the winner in the 92nd.
I must admit the last 10 games has looked alot like he is starting to get what this is all about. I am only 45% Ole out now. A strong finish to the season and I would like to give him a couple more transfer windows.
To all the people saying it’s down to Bruno: every manager relies on his players. Even Pep needs quality players to play good football. It isn‘t a fair metric. His top 6 results are however. He is better as a manager than we, myself included, have given him credit for.
To all the people saying it’s down to Bruno: every manager relies on his players. Even Pep needs quality players to play good football. It isn‘t a fair metric. His top 6 results are however. He is better as a manager than we, myself included, have given him credit for.
All correct. That guy hasn't a fecking clue.
We've certainly got a much better squad than many would give us credit for. It's surely indisputable now how naive we were last Summer, and we clearly tried to phase out Matic as you say. Andreas and Lingard were picked over Matic all season until 6th October when he picked up an injury. With that in mind I really do think the management went into the season thinking Lingard or Andreas would step up and that number 10 wasn't a priority.
I think it's a sign of a good manager to realise a mistake and correct it at your first opportunity though so I don't think it's a bad thing at all to highlight that mistakes have been made. Right now things are looking so much better, long may it continue.
Just keep going Ole. Prove all the doubters (myself included) so very wrong.
Let alone strikers, he was probably one of the more talented all around footballers at the club during his time here, his ability too perform at a level or one just beyond too whomever he was replacing on the pitch is a testament to that. His adaptability being a genuinely underrated quality (true in all footballers) and one that will serve him well in his management and coaching career as he goes on.
In the period of 1998-2001 there is a very real argument that he was the most talented striker at the club. Certainly the best finisher out of the 4 strikers we had who would be pushing the 200 goal mark for us had he not essentially lost 3 entire seasons too injury.
There's no argument at all for that.
I loved Ole but come on man, there was certainly an argument for Teddy, but Ole? Nar man.
"their clowns in midfield" being Gundogan, Silva and KDB?
I mean - Xavi and Iniesta were the best of all times, for me, but current City midfield is far from "clowns"?There's a guy called Pogba who's injured right now. But a line of Rashford, Martial, Greenwood/James/Anyone new, Bruno and Pogba supported by Fred/Scott or Matic? Could be fun.
I think he's won me over. We seem to be improving every week and top four looks good.
To be fair, when you said "despite not being the most talented in his position" you made it sound like he's a Demba Ba, rather than being literal. Otherwise, it seems a bit pedantic that only the most talented striker at United should be expected to bring great highs.
Was the Chelsea game so long ago?First decent match against a team that we aren't miles better than in a while and we get this shite
Our toughest remaining league fixtures, on paper, are the next one and the last one (Tottenham and Leicester, both away). They are difficult, but hardly impossible. The seven games in between are all ones we would be favourites to win, including Sheffield United at home, a fixture that might be more important than anybody would have imagined at the start of the season.
Chelsea's fixtures look a bit harder, but I do worry as they'll go to Anfield when Liverpool have long since put the title to bed.
The arrival of Bruno Fernandes has made me feel more confident that we can put away sides who set up defensively against us.
If anybody pays £100M for him this summer, Pogba will be gone. Hopefully we'll buy Jack Grealish instead.
I think Graelish is a player we get to create competition for the role. For Paul? Who knows, he may play with Bruno and change his mind. It can be interesting to keep winning again, you know.
Sir Alex and Klopp has had success without spending insane amount of money. When you look at the teams with the most money spent on transfer, these managers have had long spells where they were not near the top. Unlike, post Fergie managers where they have been backed and supported by Woodward so much so that United is always either 1st, second or third in the club that has spent the most amount of money. This shows that the credit has a lot to do with Woodward and Glazers continued support of our manager.
What were some of those games where we played well against tougher European opponents with worse players? Don’t mention psg because we were outplayed both legs. It is a trend against big teams that we use a reactive approach and counter. That is why we are successful there and struggle against lower opposition team. We don’t play the progressive football needed to unlock defense in possession.
Jose approach is reactive, counter attacking football. There is only a few difference between Jose approach and Ole and one of that difference is that Ole tends to high press at times. Other than that, they have more similarities than other progressive managers like Pochettino, Nagelsman and Tuchel. The comparison is more apt than saying Ole emulates Klopp, Pep or Pochettino philosophy.
Liverpool fans are glad that this type of thinking didn’t exist before they nab Klopp.
Nope you can't
Same. Ole and everyone who backed him right now should basically be the living, breathing embodiment of the smug Trump gif right now.
I'm so happy for him, honestly. Even if it still all goes to pot, what he's done in the time he's been here has been nothing short of remarkable when you consider where we were when he came in and how we ended last season. Heck, let alone last season, just look where we were at the end of January 2020!
He needs so much credit for what he's managed to get out of this limited and injury hit squad. He won't get it, but he deserves it nonetheless.
Ole counter presses, that's very close to Klopp way of playing, and very close to SAF way of playing.
He did well in Molde with a team that kept losing players. And he played well there in European competitions. So he checks that box, moving on.
But in general, both SAF and Klopp spend a lot at United and Liverpool.
SAF, you don't need to look far, we have bought plenty of players to compete, and we spent big for that.
Klopp, if he was that good as you said, he would not have replaced the keeper, the defense, the attack, etc, etc...
Pochettino is defensive, full stop. I've never been a big fan of Tuchel, I think his football is dull, and I don't know Nagelsman enough but I wonder why we bother when we have a manager that creates unity and makes sure the players play with passion for the club.
Transfers indicate several things including manager's ability to player evaluate but also a vision of what the manager envisions the way his team needs to play.
Why has Ole got every one of his transfers right? He knows how the pieces fit together, what are the missing pieces. And since we can't get everyone in one window, we just need to hang on to dear life till we can.
He is managing according to how he evaluated the team last season and what our priorities are-- defence sucked. Now the transition between defence and attack was poor and more creativity in attack. Next summer, we will need to address the balance of the attack. Always from the left -- something that has not been addressed for nearly a decade now.
Woodward's remit for the Ole -- we will not splash out big in view of the declining, unpredictable revenues. We will need to reduce costs first before we can spend much. Based on that, only then Ole can decide who he wants. (Compared to the previous managers who have had more latitude with transfer spendings, I don't see Ole having the same luxuary going forward.)
No point being smug. Some people are:
1) too hysterical, not calm under pressure folks
2) don't have the ability to see the big picture
3) Never built a team before
4) just have some hard-on for Poch or the next shiny object.
And all that hate towards a United legend.
One who gave us, one of the most amazing nights of our lives.Makes you wonder what sort of United fan they are to start with.
This needs some context. Matic was playing like shite and no one could argue that. Benching him and giving a signal that he might have to move on if he would not fix it was a correct action to take, not a mistake as Matic clearly responded and came back better. And, we need to sign a similar type of player sooner or later to replace him. I suspect he is trying something like this with a couple of other players at this moment as well.
And, who are the others that he tried to really phase out that became suddenly good again? If anything, he is getting credits for raising most of his players playing level.
I don't know how good Ole will become or if he is just simply having some luck at this moment. We will see but it is the most important skill of great managers.
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In comparison yes, besides Silva is past his best and has barely played. Only KDB is at the moment, of serious quality. Consider them as a unit though, they are a lot weaker than the midfield Barca used to have."their clowns in midfield" being Gundogan, Silva and KDB?
Not a lot of people have the strength to make a post like that, you deserve appreciation for this.
We need a couple more players to complete the puzzle but we are getting there and we can now see the improvement with the naked eye and not just the stats.