SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Classical Mechanic]

Why don't they allow other games to go on, for the teams not affected by isolations?

It was a decision by the leagues and the clubs, they wanted to protect their players I guess. Footballers are all over each other in matches and spit everywhere. High risk of contagion.

 

[berbatrick]

Thanks for that. A bit over my head but interesting nonetheless. Also reassuring that scientists are working round the clock on this.

I guess the missing part of my answer is that your immune system has a way of recognising your own cells, so that it only attacks cells that aren't your own. There are diseases (called auto-immune diseases, that happen when it thinks your own body is foreign, examples are IBS and some arthritis. So I'm worried about what happens when you directly introduce other's immune cells into your own body.

 

[Dante]

Oh it was a genuine question as I haven't got a clue.

It just seem like the stay at home advice by the government is pretty useless but also the British government having a similar respond as China did(Removing sick people from their family etc)isn't possible i(For a million different reasons).

At the very least, staying at home prevents community spread.

Speaking for myself, I live alone and have no family still alive. I'm relatively young and fit, but if something were to go wrong, I'd basically be fecked.

I don't know how you can mitigate shitty circumstances, other than on a case by case basis.

 

[Sweet Square]

Or the person in self quarantine is actually sick, good luck ordering your housemate to clean the bathroom after use. "hey I know you're running a really high temperature and you're coughing non stop, but can you clean the shower please as you've infected the bathroom."

It's just silly really. Ultimately if someone in your household is going under self isolation then it's pretty clear the house is under self isolation and everyone should be prepared that it's more or less inevitable they'd get it. So just look out for each other ultimately and share the load when possible. That's what we'll be doing.

Yeah that seems like good advice. Cheers.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

What happens if you're a single parent or a career for a family member ?

Lots of good stuff here.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html

This especially - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/index.html

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Even though you ain't a doctor, thanks for the reassurance bro

No problem. As a non health professional I’d recommend quitting smoking though.

 

[Paxi]

I guess the missing part of my answer is that your immune system has a way of recognising your own cells, so that it only attacks cells that aren't your own. There are diseases (called auto-immune diseases, that happen when it thinks your own body is foreign, examples are IBS and some arthritis. So I'm worried about what happens when you directly introduce other's immune cells into your own body.

So if I got IBS should I be worried about this or what?

 

[Sarni]

You're in the right.

It's fine, just generally keep your distance from larger groups of people if you're really paranoid.

Don’t know about walking the dog but it’s definitely dangerous arguing with someone on Facebook

You are right, of course you can walk the bloody dog But avoiding crowds is obviously important. I live in the middle of nowhere, so it’s a bit easier to go outside and get some exercise.

Well I’m confident I’m right. She said I will wake up when we will see 200 people per day dying and see people dying on streets, I told her it’s never going to happen in countries who took measures early. She’s also of the opinion that Europe is extremely arrogant about it when I said we are taking good reasonable measures. She lived in China for two years before this year so seems to think she knows everything much better.

 

[P-Ro]

Is there any scientific evidence to support what I've been hearing about anti-inflammatories having an adverse effect on treatment? My Dad has some symptoms and is self isolating and I've told him to hold off the ibuprofen and stick to paracetamol for the time being.

 

[FootyGirl88]

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[djembatheking]

I really fecking hope so mate.

I find it very concerning that the voices of the actual medical professionals who are being asked to deal with this are being drowned out by political rhetoric.

These are the voices that we need to be listening to - but they're being largely ignored.



Glad to you're all (hopefully) better now mate, and it yeah, it does make you wonder.

What are you ages, and where are you based (what country)?

My son is a 20 yr old student in Uni , my wife is 56 and I am 53 . I have never had such a vicious dose of what I thought was the flu , really dry cough where it was actually difficult to cough, hot / cold fevers , aching all over . My wife had had a flu Jab in November so should have had some protection , I thought she was going to die as she couldn`t breathe when I called the ambulance , never been so scared , shes a tough old bird too . We live in North Wales.

 

[Skills]

My son is a 20 yr old student in Uni , my wife is 56 and I am 53 . I have never had such a vicious dose of what I thought was the flu , really dry cough where it was actually difficult to cough, hot / cold fevers , aching all over . My wife had had a flu Jab in November so should have had some protection , I thought she was going to die as she couldn`t breathe when I called the ambulance , never been so scared , shes a tough old bird too . We live in North Wales.

They didn't her or yourself for the virus? How recent was this?

 

[berbatrick]

So if I got IBS should I be worried about this or what?

Not that I'm aware of!
Though I'm guessing the medication for an autoimmune disease won't help when your immune system needs to fight this virus.

(key word - guessing)

 

[Rhyme Animal]

My son is a 20 yr old student in Uni , my wife is 56 and I am 53 . I have never had such a vicious dose of what I thought was the flu , really dry cough where it was actually difficult to cough, hot / cold fevers , aching all over . My wife had had a flu Jab in November so should have had some protection , I thought she was going to die as she couldn`t breathe when I called the ambulance , never been so scared , shes a tough old bird too . We live in North Wales.

Scary, and very interesting that she actually had a Flu jab.

I've wondered the same thing btw.

Again, glad you're both ok and hopefully stays that way.

How was your Son throughout it?

 

[Dante]

You're really not, you've picked one side of a scientific debate (a minority one) and parroting government briefings. That isn't listening to expert advice it's just being contrarian and argumentative. Far more irrational than those looking at the wider community and evidence.

What does the wider community and evidence tell you is the correct way to handle this for a nation of 67 million people with an anti-authority streak?

 

[Arruda]

I'm 42 and smoke around 25 cigs a day. Am I more likely to require ICU treatment?

Almost certainly so.

However, I can't estimate how much more likely, am not even sure how likely it is in the first place for a 42 year-old non-smoker.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Is there any scientific evidence to support what I've been hearing about anti-inflammatories having an adverse effect on treatment? My Dad has some symptoms and is self isolating and I've told him to hold off the ibuprofen and stick to paracetamol for the time being.

Is it not steroid based stuff that compromises the immune system? @berbatrick will know

 

[RedSky]

Yeah that seems like good advice. Cheers.

Oh and buy a poker set if you don't have one because it'll be a good way of using time up.

 

[djembatheking]

Scary, and very interesting that she actually had a Flu jab.

I've wondered the same thing btw.

Again, glad you're both ok and hopefully stays that way.

How was your Son throughout it?

He was bad , had exams too , god knows how he did them . He had to come home he was that ill.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Scary, and very interesting that she actually had a Flu jab.

I've wondered the same thing btw.

Again, glad you're both ok and hopefully stays that way.

How was your Son throughout it?

The flu shot does nothing against COVID-19. Not interesting at all.

 

[Dante]

My son is a 20 yr old student in Uni , my wife is 56 and I am 53 . I have never had such a vicious dose of what I thought was the flu , really dry cough where it was actually difficult to cough, hot / cold fevers , aching all over . My wife had had a flu Jab in November so should have had some protection , I thought she was going to die as she couldn`t breathe when I called the ambulance , never been so scared , shes a tough old bird too . We live in North Wales.

I presume you caught the actual covid-19 virus? Congrats on getting through.

The world is your oyster for the next few months.

 

[Arruda]

I guess the missing part of my answer is that your immune system has a way of recognising your own cells, so that it only attacks cells that aren't your own. There are diseases (called auto-immune diseases, that happen when it thinks your own body is foreign, examples are IBS and some arthritis. So I'm worried about what happens when you directly introduce other's immune cells into your own body.

Allow me to correct you on this. They are talking about "purified antibodies", not immune cells. Antibodies alone aren't normally immunogenic, in their medical applications (Rabies post-exposure-prophylaxis, Guillaim-Barret syndrome, maybe some specific immunodefficiencies, etc)

 

[Amar__]

Well we had to react circumstance. The PL was cancelled a day later as teams started testing positive and sides were going to be unable to field teams, not because there was sudden realisation that closed doors football matches or crowds at games were going to cause havoc. Games outside the top four divisions are taking place still in the National League where attedances are in the thousands still.

You can have a medium term strategy and plan, and still be reactive to developments. We already know school closures are coming, we already know gatherings will be discouraged or banned, but these measures will be taken at the appropriate time.

I guess we'll see in few weeks who did the best(it's not a competition though), but I think UK should have reacted far earlier. Don't see the point in delay for another week.

They didn’t suspend the PL, the football bodies did that because whole teams started to quarantine. Mass public gatherings haven't actually been banned yet. It’s expected to happen next week.

It's just two or three teams, so the rest of the league should be fine, by their logic. Amd as I said, I don't get the point in delaying banning public gathering for bext week, why wait?

 

[SirAF]

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Well done, Tim Apple.

 

[JPRouve]

I presume you caught the actual covid-19 virus? Congrats on getting through.

The world is your oyster for the next few months.

You can get it again.

 

[djembatheking]

They didn't her or yourself for the virus? How recent was this?

Wife went in to hospital 28th Jan. I had it when she came out 6 days later , well started feeling shit the day before maybe but I was with her for hours each day in the hospital . She probably shouldn`t have come out when she did but we didn`t give it that much thought at the time.

 

[0le]

A trip to the local Tesco this morning for some bits and bobs and it was utter chaos. What the heck has happened to us? Empty shelves, peoples trolleys brimming over with stuff with no concern for anyone else.

I always think I’m a pretty reasonable person but I found myself hating people I don’t even know.

It’s an alarming realisation that our society can break down within days.

My Tesco store was actually restocking shelves with pasta and rice during the peak, it was a pleasant surprise.

 

[Dante]

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That's 0.1% of the taxes they got ordered to pay back to the EU last year.

 

[djembatheking]

I presume you caught the actual covid-19 virus? Congrats on getting through.

The world is your oyster for the next few months.

Either that or a belter of a dose of the flu. It will be interesting to see if any of the 3 of us get a dose of covid-19 now.

 

[RedTiger]

Is there any scientific evidence to support what I've been hearing about anti-inflammatories having an adverse effect on treatment? My Dad has some symptoms and is self isolating and I've told him to hold off the ibuprofen and stick to paracetamol for the time being.

As a sufferer of asthma, I've always been told by my doctor to stay away from ibuprofen as it makes breathing difficulties worse.

 

[Revan]

You can get it again.

That is not clear yet. In fact, I think it is more likely that you cannot get it again (short term at least).

 

[Paxi]

Not that I'm aware of!
Though I'm guessing the medication for an autoimmune disease won't help when your immune system needs to fight this virus.

(key word - guessing)

I'm not taking medication for it. I get frequent stomach pains which my gp suspects is IBS. But thanks anyway.

 

[Paxi]

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Thank feck for that.

 

[Dante]

You can get it again.

https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...n-korea-coronavirus-reinfection-test-positive

Scientists in and outside China agree that reinfection is a highly unlikely explanation for the patients who retest positive. They say testing errors are more likely to blame — either false negatives that resulted in patients being discharged too early, or false positives when they retested and were taken back into hospital.

I doubt you can get it again. But I guess it's possible to have a false negative.

Anyway, fingers crossed him and his missus didn't.

 

[The Firestarter]

It's the same in my country as well.

I guess a lot of people are using their savings to stockpile products. But what will people like me do, who either survive week for week or are in financial trouble? I'm more worried about how me and my family survive this global economic crisis that is about to begin.

Vanja Dzaferovic did an excellent guide on how to get by without toilet paper.

 

[Paxi]

I'm 42 and smoke around 25 cigs a day. Am I more likely to require ICU treatment?

25 a day. A lot of cigarettes man.

 

[berbatrick]

Allow me to correct you on this. They are talking about "purified antibodies", not immune cells. Antibodies alone aren't normally immunogenic, in their medical applications (Rabies post-exposure-prophylaxis, Guillaim-Barret syndrome, maybe some specific immunodefficiencies, etc)

Makes a lot more sense, thanks!

 

[Rhyme Animal]

The flu shot does nothing against COVID-19. Not interesting at all.

Er yeah... that's the point mate.

@djembatheking was wondering if what his wife had wasn't the Flu, and could in fact have been Corona.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Trump name dropping Jerome Powell

 

[JPRouve]

https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...n-korea-coronavirus-reinfection-test-positive


I doubt you can get it again. But I guess it's possible to have a false negative.

Anyway, fingers crossed him and his missus didn't.

That is not clear yet. In fact, I think it is more likely that you cannot get it again (short term at least).

By again I'm not talking about an exterior source, symptoms can stop and come back.