SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

sun_tzu

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Takeaways:
Men are more prone to getting the disease than women
~75% of the positive tests in this dataset have been on people over the age of 50.
No one under 30 had died
25% had severe symptoms and 5% critical
So in other words it's what we know, Italy's death rate is being heavily skewed because mild/asymptomatic younger people are not getting tested
I think the death rate per capita is the only consistent measure country to country at the moment given each has different testing criteria
 

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If we don’t get more shopping soon that’s a possibility in my house. Down to eating cream crackers instead of bread for lunch today
Joking aside I hope your situation alleviates somewhat in the near future buddy. I'm hoping that supply will start to catch up with demand soon once people realize they don't really need to buy more food.
 

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Just saying, where I am people are still partying by the 100's at ski resorts, nighclubs, eating our at fully booked restaurants and drinking coffe in sardine packed cafes. Government has done very little to nothing to halt a potential spread. Even more scary when you watch the horror unfold in Italy, Spain and Iran.
 

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Nobody knows how this nightmare will play out but the UK is really taking forceful measures, giving this virus the severity it demands.
Yes, nobody knows what the new measures will have a good effect. What we surely know, is that his measures brought the UK to have the second worst projection in the world for now
 

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I did read it - it's utter rubbish.

You can't give kids proper exercise in what for many people will be a small flat. Get real.

Surprised a supposed PE teacher would come out with such garbage.
Looks like someones still upset because what they suggested earlier got ridiculed.

You definitely can. You certainly don't need to go for 'runs' to be exercising.

If you're interested, PM and I'll send you some stuff. Give it a go!
 

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Just saying, where I am people are still partying by the 100's at ski resorts, nighclubs, eating our at fully booked restaurants and drinking coffe in sardine packed cafes. Government has done very little to nothing to halt a potential spread. Even more scary when you watch the horror unfold in Italy, Spain and Iran.
I'm not sure where you are but the UK government responds has been awful and constantly behind. This government has wasted vital weeks leading up to their decision today. And even then you've a renter or self employed you've been completely fecked over.
 

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Same here. Labour's Alan Johnson and Shami Chakrabarti were just on Newsnight basically refraining from point-scoring and supporting the government's instructions, which is the responsible thing to do right now.

Those that see it all as proof Brexit was right or that it was wrong or that everybody is an idiot (except themselves obviously) can feck right off for me.
I agree. I haven't seen Newsnight, but it's good to hear that they are supporting the government. This is really starting to bring people together everywhere, as it's the whole human race suffering and worried.

Maybe some real positives will come from all this, and not just temporary changes.
 

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Meanwhile in Japan it's as if we are on a different planet. People out and about, no one avoiding crowds, nothing is closed. Been working from home for a month now but am being asked to go back to the office next week. Genuinely the only thing that has changed is more people than usual wearing masks and using hand sanitisers. Beggars belief really.
 

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Erm a "few" homes without mortgage and as I took out a bunch of money to buy another from the stock market about 4 weeks ago then the sale fell through so significantly more than that in the bank right now

Sure there's lots of people better off than me but I'm pretty comfortable / happy and still save a lot more than I spend
I assume you know that this is the coronavirus thread and not a dick swinging competition?? Actually surprised you are still posting?
 

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conservatism going full death cult.
I think that these people are missing that it is not one or the other. It is either both or neither. You cannot allow the disease going havoc and hope that the economy will not suffer. Dead people do not buy stuff, sick people do not work, and scared people do not get out of their homes. Which is what gonna happen if we leave the virus go unchecked for only another few weeks.

Even if we go form their purely selfish POV that it is okay to sacrifice hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of old people to keep the economy going on, thing is, that is the worst case scenario for both number of lives lost and the economy being damaged.

I don't see any other solution except like South Korea or China. Not shut down the country like Italy is doing, but being extremely cautious, proactive and yes, getting the economy shrinked. The alternative is countless people dying and getting the economy destroyed.
 

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Erm a "few" homes without mortgage and as I took out a bunch of money to buy another from the stock market about 4 weeks ago then the sale fell through so significantly more than that in the bank right now

Sure there's lots of people better off than me but I'm pretty comfortable / happy and still save a lot more than I spend
Well unlike you I've only got the one property haha, and the bank account could be better at the moment! but fair play to you sun, sounds like you are doing well for yourself.

The most important thing as you say is that you are pretty happy. That's a good place to be.
 

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Is this actually enforceable for those going to work? Considering the government advice is still unless you can't work from home at this moment.

As it's not at all clear. And even if so, how would you know. For example my GF is going to work tomorrow, at a car body shop. Do you have any powers to stop and fine her?
Can the car body shop guarantee they can maintain a safe place of work (i.e. in line with public health social distancing measures?)... Or would they sign a document to admit they were asking people to work outside of the recommendations... Suspect that's why McDonald etc shut... The lawyers told them they would be raped in court if they didn't
 

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I agree. I haven't seen Newsnight, but it's good to hear that they are supporting the government. This is really starting to bring people together everywhere, as it's the whole human race suffering and worried.

Maybe some real positives will come from all this, and not just temporary changes.
Even if Labour wanted to oppose, they know full well it would be political suicide to be trying to point score in the current situation. I’m pretty sure usual politics will resume once Corona is dealt with.
 

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He's been doing it for years (I vaguely remember him being similar in the Newbies).

The reason I remember is because his 'Location' is so ironic given his obvious arrogance.
At least he's already prepared for self-isolation.

Boom, roasted.
 

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Even if Labour wanted to oppose, they know full well it would be political suicide to be trying to point score in the current situation. I’m pretty sure usual politics will resume once Corona is dealt with.
I get that, but I think Alan Johnson is long retired and just genuinely saying what he thinks is right, which is good.
 

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Meanwhile in Japan it's as if we are on a different planet. People out and about, no one avoiding crowds, nothing is closed. Been working from home for a month now but am being asked to go back to the office next week. Genuinely the only thing that has changed is more people than usual wearing masks and using hand sanitisers. Beggars belief really.
it’s kinda remarkable/weird that Japan has come through relatively unscathed so far. It has an ageing population too, close proximity to China. It’s strange.
 

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Can the car body shop guarantee they can maintain a safe place of work (i.e. in line with public health social distancing measures?)... Or would they sign a document to admit they were asking people to work outside of the recommendations... Suspect that's why McDonald etc shut... The lawyers told them they would be raped in court if they didn't
I posted after that they work on cars for NHS staff so it's currently a loophole.

They are also being deliberately vague about pay and work, so my gf is going in tomorrow for some meds she has delivered there and to question them on the plans, then I guess we'll have to start looking into legalities if it all goes wrong. Not that I expect much help on that front.
 

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If you deny people the chance to excercise and get some natural light than we will go straight from a coronovirus pandemic to a mental breakdown pandemic and lose a significantly amount more people to suicide than even the worst case scenario of the virus, not to mention the health problems lack of natural light/abscene from the sun will cause.
Do you live in a box with no windows, do you not have any exclusive outside spaces?
We can all come up with excuses to be outside, but making out like you’re on an inner cabin on a quarantined cruise liner is a bit bizarre.
 

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Is this taking things too far?

If the Taiwanese government can do this now, you can bet that they'll have had the capability before the outbreak.

Is this level of government oversight worth the benefits?
 

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He's been doing it for years (I vaguely remember him being similar in the Newbies).

The reason I remember is because his 'Location' is so ironic given his obvious arrogance.
A threadban might be useful?
 

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Even if Labour wanted to oppose, they know full well it would be political suicide to be trying to point score in the current situation. I’m pretty sure usual politics will resume once Corona is dealt with.
Well if everything was to just go back to the exact same as before it would be shocking, very disappointing and a massive missed opportunity on all fronts. It would show that maybe we are destined to repeat mistakes and not learn, change for the better and develop globally as human beings.

I think I've gone full hippie..
 

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I am still so confused as to why people are making such a big deal about Boris' speech? Has anything actually changed from the rules before?

If you can still go out but we're abusing that opportunity before, you will still do it as it can't be known if you've been out only once or if you are going shopping etc.

People can still go to other people's homes if both parties are in agreement.

It's all a self imposed set of rules we should follow but I don't see now why those that were ignoring it will all of a sudden change
 

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Is this taking things too far?

If the Taiwanese government can do this now, you can bet that they'll have had the capability before the outbreak.

Is this level of government oversight worth the benefits?
A news story along these lines was on about this tonight. Someone entering a country from abroad would be put in quarantine for 14 days. Would have to give their phone number ( which would be gps tracked) and wasn't allowed to leave the quarantine.
 

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Thanks for the link :D

It made me think of this Jor El quote from years ago, quite inspiring!
Hopefully we will get over this soon - you have think of some positiveness to counter balance all the terrible things happening around us, Wish everyone safe and healthy outcomes.
 

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it’s kinda remarkable/weird that Japan has come through relatively unscathed so far. It has an ageing population too, close proximity to China. It’s strange.
They aren't testing people, or at least they aren't testing enough people. Politicians too worried about losing Olympics and the economy and all that. Mental stuff.
 

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I am still so confused as to why people are making such a big deal about Boris' speech? Has anything actually changed from the rules before?

If you can still go out but we're abusing that opportunity before, you will still do it as it can't be known if you've been out only once or if you are going shopping etc.

People can still go to other people's homes if both parties are in agreement.

It's all a self imposed set of rules we should follow but I don't see now why those that were ignoring it will all of a sudden change
The authorities have power to impose charges now but..