SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[4bars]

Why? We have been using a variant for a couple of weeks

I don't think that any measure of control that most likely will stay is a good idea. And yes, I know we already have instruments of control, but I don't want even more

 

[Kinsella]

Once the F1 teams starting getting involved you just knew some solutions would quickly emerge -

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[Wibble]

Once the F1 teams starting getting involved you just knew some solutions would quickly emerge -

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Although they are very efficient sadly they cost 3.6 million quid each

 

[4bars]

Although they are very efficient sadly they cost 3.6 million quid each

At 1000 per day 3.6 billion a day, not bad!

 

[Ian Reus]

Although they are very efficient sadly they cost 3.6 million quid each

So only available for A1 and F1 drivers?

 

[Wibble]

So only available for A1 and F1 drivers?

And shareholders in bog roll firms.

 

[Pexbo]

Although they are very efficient sadly they cost 3.6 million quid each

Definitely worth it though considering from the point you arrive in the hospital, to the point you have your clothes off, gown on, mask on and cannula in your arm, the nurse is zig zagging you down the corridor to keep the trolley tires warm as you join the rest of the grid in under 6.4 seconds.

 

[Ian Reus]

And shareholders in bog roll firms.

Andrex-1

 

[Darkhorsez]

The primary method of spread is almost certainly droplets from coughs and sneezing (rare symptom with Covid-19) with aerosol and contact infections being much rarer BUT still highly important to protect against.

In terms of asymptomatic people being infectious I think it is safe to say they are even if they are less of a risk due to not coughing but they will also be more likely to be out and about shopping etc during which they can touch things and potentially infect others.

In addition, just realized that these people could also have seasonal allergies that leads to sneezing - I know my allergies have already started since last week.

 

[kouroux]

We've been able to reopen our Port Harcourt office and warehouse this evening after closing it on Thursday when one of our Loaders started with with a crazily high fever.

The Croatian Doctor who works for one of our biggest customers there, assures us that our colleague's symptoms which caused us to close it as a precaution are '' only malaria ''

Anyone who's ever had a bout of malaria might disagree with the word '' only '' but without proper testing facilities it's only a conclusion rather then actual proof, although at least malaria is treatable, Thank Goodness.

Malaria gave me the worst fever headaches in my entire life so far, it's a shit diseases but like you said, very easily treatable.

 

[Blackwidow]

X-axis: Number of infected per 100,000 inhabitants
Y-axis: Number of deaths per 100,000 inhabitants
Numbers above the flags tell how many days number of infected/deaths recently needed to double

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[Wibble]

In addition, just realized that these people could also have seasonal allergies that leads to sneezing - I know my allergies have already started since last week.

True

 

[mu4c_20le]

No white text?

Taiwan already uses it. People wonder how they managed to keep it under control despite being right next to China, this is how.

 

[Penna]

Taiwan already uses it. People wonder how they managed to keep it under control despite being right next to China, this is how.

The authorities have been using anonymised data to track where people are gathering, but there are worries that it's not too hard to "unanonymise" it. This article's from 11 days ago.

Vodafone Group Plc said in a statement that it is handing Italian officials anonymized customer data relating to the movement of people in the Lombardy area. In this region, where the effects of COVID-19 have been especially virulent, some lockdowns have been in place since February 21.

In Austria, the nation's largest telecommunications network operator Telekom Austria AG has said it's giving anonymized cell phone data to authorities. In neighboring Germany, health tsar Lothar Wieler said Deutsche Telekom was offering up data on whether people are heeding pleas to remain home as much as possible.

Wieler, who is president of the Robert Koch Institute, said on Wednesday: "If people remain as mobile as they were until a week ago, it will be difficult to contain the virus."

The Israeli government began deploying cellphone-monitoring technology to track its citizens on Tuesday after issuing directives to the public to stay at home.

Emergency regulations that enable the Shin Bet internal security service to tap into cellular data to retrace the movements of people infected with COVID-19 were approved by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet.

Meanwhile, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and Vietnam are all using data derived from cell phones and apps to keep tabs on the locations of people who have tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/coronavirus-triggers-location/

 

[redshaw]

Interesting video how this New York doctor says most get covid19 through touching their face after touching surfaces or shaking hands and not airborne droplets, it's droplets that have landed or have been put on things like door handles.

I've been really careful from the start and wear gloves out to the shops, this reminds me to not touch my face, not worry about the amount of hands and coughs on the shopping trolley handle and I can also slide the gloves off when getting into the car and not cross contaminate the steering wheel, gear stick and handles, keys etc and leave food packages for days or clean them or open with scissors. Hand sanitize is like rocking horse shit.

Of course the NY doctor says standing close to someone for a sustained time you can get this.

 

[Grinner]

Was Boris on telly at all this weekend? I may have missed him when he was. Is he supposed to be giving briefings?

 

[ArmandTamzarian]

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Another win for the American healthcare system...

 

[mu4c_20le]

The authorities have been using anonymised data to track where people are gathering, but there are worries that it's not too hard to "unanonymise" it. This article's from 11 days ago.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/coronavirus-triggers-location/

Interesting. Here's the article I read a few days ago, they use it to keep track of all arrivals and to enforce the mandatory quarantine. Seems like there's no anonymity at all!

I did not expect two police officers to come knocking at my door at 08:15 when I was still asleep in my bed on Sunday morning.

My phone briefly ran out of battery at 07:30, and in less than an hour, four different local administrative units had called. A patrol was dispatched to check my whereabouts. A text was sent notifying that the government had lost track of me, and warned me of potential arrest if I had broken quarantine.

I returned to Taiwan last Thursday to experience the island's zero-risk take on coronavirus.

Since I was coming back from Europe, I am subjected to a mandatory 14 days home quarantine. Before I had my passport checked, I had to pass through a booth set up by the Ministry of Health and Welfare. I filled out a document detailing places I had visited in the last fortnight, my phone number, landline and address. They notified me that my phone would be "satellite-tracked" for enforcement.

The level of precaution taken in Taiwan is nothing like what I saw in Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52017993

 

[onemanarmy]

My best friends grandmother has been in the hospital for a few days now. She's 89 and has corona. In the service flats she lives in, +20 people were infected, 4 have already passed away. Crap. Doesn't look good.

 

[11101]

Italy and Spain are near that. I’d be surprised if US are not double that at some point.

And the rest. Italy's daily new case record is 6,500, Spain's is 8,500. The US is routinely adding 20,000 a day and they're only just getting going. They will be far worse.

The only way they're not is if they start fiddling the numbers somehow.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

And the rest. Italy's daily new case record is 6,500, Spain's is 8,500. The US is routinely adding 20,000 a day and they're only just getting going. They will be far worse.

The only way they're not is if they start fiddling the numbers somehow.

Well it all depends how well they protect their elderly, Italy especially and even Spain are some of the worst places for that due to the fact that people leave home on average aged 30 in Italy for example.
Keeping the elderly isolated is the biggest key here to keeping the death rate down.

 

[Darkhorsez]

Interesting video how this New York doctor says most get covid19 through touching their face after touching surfaces or shaking hands and not airborne droplets, it's droplets that have landed or have been put on things like door handles.

I've been really careful from the start and wear gloves out to the shops, this reminds me to not touch my face, not worry about the amount of hands and coughs on the shopping trolley handle and I can also slide the gloves off when getting into the car and not cross contaminate the steering wheel, gear stick and handles, keys etc and leave food packages for days or clean them or open with scissors. Hand sanitize is like rocking horse shit.

Of course the NY doctor says standing close to someone for a sustained time you can get this.

Thanks for sharing the video. One of the most clear and knowledgeable piece of info posted in this thread.

 

[Dante]

Rashford was just on BBC Breakfast talking about his charity work to get school meal replacements to kids. He came across really well.

Good lad.

 

[17Larsson]

My best friends grandmother has been in the hospital for a few days now. She's 89 and has corona. In the service flats she lives in, +20 people were infected, 4 have already passed away. Crap. Doesn't look good.

Man that is scary stuff

 

[Dante]

'Early signs' spread slowing down in UK
Today Programme
BBC Radio 4
The spread of coronavirus in the UK is showing "early signs" of slowing down since the lockdown, according to a leading government adviser.
Strict measures came into place across the country a week ago.
Prof Neil Ferguson, from Imperial College London, says some indicators, such as the numbers of new hospital admissions per day, suggest the spread does "appear to be slowing down a little bit".
He told the BBC's Today programme that the numbers hadn't "plateaued" yet and were still increasing each day, "but the rate of that increase has slowed".
However, he added that this pattern hadn't been reflected in the number of deaths - but these usually lagged a long way behind.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

They cite the daily mail but you lose any hope for humanity if this continues: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...9/news-story/104a81601ff7b94fec6dae3e158ad0a1

 

[ArmandTamzarian]

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[VorZakone]

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We all know nothing significant will happen to Fox News.

 

[11101]

Well it all depends how well they protect their elderly, Italy especially and even Spain are some of the worst places for that due to the fact that people leave home on average aged 30 in Italy for example.
Keeping the elderly isolated is the biggest key here to keeping the death rate down.

Compared to the US with their fragmented healthcare system and obesity problems? I can't see it being much better.

 

[Penna]

Interesting. Here's the article I read a few days ago, they use it to keep track of all arrivals and to enforce the mandatory quarantine. Seems like there's no anonymity at all!



https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52017993

This is the trade-off - your rights as an individual to privacy, versus the government's responsibilities to stop a pandemic by any means possible.

If you tried that in the USA, there would be mass protests. In other countries, there's more trust in the government and willingness to sublimate individual liberty for the common good.

Of course (from a human rights point of view), once this kind of surveillance is in place it's always more likely that it'll be continued when there isn't a pandemic, which most people would find unacceptable. Too much like Big Brother.

 

[One Night Only]

Anyone know if there is somewhere we can see total UK deaths daily (not just coronavirus cases).

 

[jojojo]

My best friends grandmother has been in the hospital for a few days now. She's 89 and has corona. In the service flats she lives in, +20 people were infected, 4 have already passed away. Crap. Doesn't look good.

Which country? It's something that is/will happen all over the world, but it's still useful to have a sense of where we're looking at right now.

 

[4bars]

Taiwan already uses it. People wonder how they managed to keep it under control despite being right next to China, this is how.

This is the trade-off - your rights as an individual to privacy, versus the government's responsibilities to stop a pandemic by any means possible.

If you tried that in the USA, there would be mass protests. In other countries, there's more trust in the government and willingness to sublimate individual liberty for the common good.

Of course (from a human rights point of view), once this kind of surveillance is in place it's always more likely that it'll be continued when there isn't a pandemic, which most people would find unacceptable. Too much like Big Brother.

Penna answered what I meant for "white text". I don't believe remotely that is a good idea. They are trying shit loads of new technology, specially tracking and detection with that excuse, and be sure they will use it or publicly or privately or legal or ilegal or everything at the same time

 

[4bars]

Anyone know if there is somewhere we can see total UK deaths daily (not just coronavirus cases).

Average around 1600 in 2018

https://www.ined.fr/en/everything_a...developed-countries/population-births-deaths/

 

[onemanarmy]

Which country? It's something that is/will happen all over the world, but it's still useful to have a sense of where we're looking at right now.

Belgium.

 

[Stick]

Fascinating, and the opposite of what I was expecting.

I found that very informative. I then compare that with the tripe coming from the US......

 

[TMDaines]

Being shite scared isn’t irrational though. This is a disease that can and does kill young, healthy people. Never mind the much higher % of young, healthy people who will only pull through after being ventilated, with severely scarred/fibrotic lungs that might never regain normal function. Lung damage aside, people with very mild symptom are frequently losing their sense of smell and taste and the jury’s out about whether it will ever return to normal.

Everybody should be shite scared of catching this damn thing. Which is no bad thing, as fear is a powerful motivator. I’d much rather young people live their lives in fear of the virus than mistakenly thinking their own health isn’t really at risk.

Just to put it into perspective, 279 18-24 year-olds died on Britain's roads in 2018. I'll be surprised if more 18-24 year-olds die from COVID-19 this calendar year. Provided you follow the government guidance, I'd suggest that if you are young and healthy being overly concerned about COVID-19 is an irrational fear. Are you "shite scared" every time you go for a drive? No, because you take all the necessary precautions to minimise the risk likelihood and then accept the residual risk that remains. As with driving, you have a lot of agency in reducing the likelihood you catch the coronavirus.

Young, healthy people are exactly those who we need to help out their communities with selfless actions taken with the requisite precautions. A bit of nuance is required in describing the risks to people. Trying to put the fear of God in people is a little irresponsible.

 

[Bwuk]

Seen on Twitter something about the UK lockdown going on until June?

Has this been confirmed?

 

[One Night Only]

Seen on Twitter something about the UK lockdown going on until June?

Has this been confirmed?

Don't think so, BBC news usually pretty up to date. My mate just messaged me about it too but he always talks out his arse.

 

[TMDaines]

Interesting video how this New York doctor says most get covid19 through touching their face after touching surfaces or shaking hands and not airborne droplets, it's droplets that have landed or have been put on things like door handles.

I've been really careful from the start and wear gloves out to the shops, this reminds me to not touch my face, not worry about the amount of hands and coughs on the shopping trolley handle and I can also slide the gloves off when getting into the car and not cross contaminate the steering wheel, gear stick and handles, keys etc and leave food packages for days or clean them or open with scissors. Hand sanitize is like rocking horse shit.

Of course the NY doctor says standing close to someone for a sustained time you can get this.

I don't get how gloves help, for example benefits of food shopping with gloves and without gloves. You can't contract the coronavirus through your hands. Surely the important thing is just very thoroughly sanitising your hands once you are done with your business outside, and never touching your face or eating until you are done.

Wearing a FFP3 mask correctly fitted helps with that too. I'm cycling masks and leaving them 4-5 weeks between uses. I'm assuming my car interior and door handle is no longer a safe space and my phone, wallet and keys aren't until they have been cleaned. Any clothes I go to the shops in are immediately laundered when I come home.

Hopefully the video will enlighten me.