Lockdown is a response to not knowing anything about the virus. We have to close everything because we don't know what spreads it and what doesn't. Once we understand it better we can restart activities we know are not major factors in it's transmission.
i'm pretty sure pension funds get less risk averse the closer to retirement you are. so whilst i'm sure they have still been battered, it won't be to the same extent as someone younger.
Relax some measures, keep others. Ramp up testing and contact tracing so we can respond very quickly to those who show symptoms and get them and their contacts isolating. Those who can work from home keep working from home. Widespread use of face-masks once enough have been produced and supplied. Contact tracing apps. Try to find the best treatment options. Then hope for the best.
Fair point - hadn’t accounted for that despite it being an obvious thing!
Let me just to clarify.
I'm speaking of young graduates in their early 20s who have no savings, no stable job and now now way getting one. Just look at the some of writing from Mervyn King (former Governor of the Bank of England) he predicts a substantial political backlash from the young if we end up being the ones paying for this.
I'd guess that one of the likely side effects of this will be a housing market crash so you might find that houses will become more affordable which will help.
I don’t care what you’re saying bud. I was replying to someone. You don’t get to take that for yourself.
You sound very confident and I applaud you but there is an actual scientist stating that she is 80% sure that one will be approved in September. Look it up.
One scientist vs the vast majority of other scientists saying that 18 months is best case scenario which will require a lot of luck. Not saying it isn't possible for it to happen before then and I really hope it does but realistically that person saying September is very much in the minority. I was listening to a micro-biologist on the radio this morning who said he felt it would be 2 years minimum. I guess the main thing is that nobody knows right now but the general time frame we can work from is that on average a vaccine takes over 7 years to develop and get to where it can be mass produced.
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What the hell? Your first sentence is something I’ve said at all. I said older peoples pensions haven’t been proportionately affected as much. Which is true.
This has been the case in a number of other countries, it's not exclusive to the UK. It's just not been possible to test everybody who needs it and testing the deceased outside of hospitals has not been a priority.6k more deaths than usual in the week ending 3rd April, only 3,475 linked to covid-19: ONS dataset
Looks like quite a few covid-19 deaths are going unreported and that dealing with covid is lessening the quality and availability of care provision elsewhere. Also seems like this latter factor could more than counterbalance the number of deaths from covid who would have died anyway.
Ah, sorry Posh, the first part of my reply was for someone else, my mistake.
Profit margins are currently too tight for restaurants to stay open if they’re only ever 50% full. Will need a whole new business model to survive. Or some sort of radical intervention from the government. No more VAT?
It does bur if you go back and re read my posts you’ll see it’s not as simple as people losing all their pension funds just before retirement. The people that will be mostly affected are those that have actively sought out more risky types of pension like flexi-access drawdown etc. It would be good to hear from anyone on the cafe who is approaching retirement or recently retired to hear about their own experiences.
Bars is a no-no for me, people won’t be able to restrain themselves when the alcohol is flowing
Then again over half the pubs have disappeared in my town over the last few years as they can't make a profit, I don't see why restaurants should be any different in the medium term or longer.
They not only have a concerning number of deaths, their number of serious/critical cases is higher than most countries of similar population/development level except Netherlands and Belgium. It will only get worse in the short term.
Well, I wouldn't really call this a "lockdown" - thousands of non-essential workers are still going to work every day, the airports are open and planes are regularly arriving from other infected areas, with no checks at all on disembarking passengers.
You're overlooking one massive factor here...mortgages.
My mum is in a dementia care home and I’m kinda resigned to the fact that infection is going to get in as their staff is coming and going everyday
A possibility that nobody seems to want to acknowledge is that we may NEVER develop a vaccine that is safe/effective enough to roll out globally. We still haven’t got a vaccine for any other type of coronavirus (e.g. SARS or MERS) that’s good enough to be used on the scale we need. And that’s despite several years of trying.
Nope, nothing wrong with them slagging off the failure to keep it out of nursing homes as they do, even the Health Ministry here are dismayed at that failure.
True but a lot of the work that was being done to combat the other types of coronavirus were never finished and just stopped. This will be different simply because this is not going away anytime soon. Having said that we still havent got a vaccine for the common cold virus but I guess thats more down to it's relative mildness and lack of funding and commitment to find one as a result.
#regulusbatsignal
Based on my limited understanding of vaccine development there are technical challenges to developing a vaccine for an RNA coronavirus that can’t necessarily be solved by devoting a lot of time and effort to them. Obviously, we all hope the scientists can buck the trend here. We really need them to.
My sister the same GB, and of course you can't even go in and see them. Plus daughter works in one, they've had little in the way of protection, they're having to deal with the infected themselves with no more than advice over the phone, she's almost certain to catch it, and you just can't help worrying.
But is focusing on the nursing homes not missing the massive elephant in the room that the entire reason why almost every other country has been stricter with their lock down and social distancing measures is because it's been recognised that it will be the elderly and vulnerable that will suffer?
Nursing homes contain the most elderly people in society. The virus is most dangerous to elderly people. So if the epidemic is being poorly handled in any country, you’re going to see a lot of deaths in nursing homes. The most effective way to prevent deaths in nursing homes is by minimising spread in society as a whole.
Most countries have had their nursing homes as ground zero, lockdown or not.
I was looking at the figure from the worldmeter website. Regardless of it's "now", or total, it doesn't bode well in comparisons, assuming the criteria in European countries are similar. Looking at the Portuguese numbers, in our case I'm almost sure it means now.
Absolutely Pogue, no-one is dusputing that.
If you want an example of a country that is absolutely terrible at keeping coronavirus out of nursing homes, look at Ireland. The vast majority of our clusters are in nursing homes or other residential communities. Thankfully, we’ve been pretty good about stifling spread in society as a whole. Which keeps our overall mortality/ICU admissions relatively low.
Not really. We were making progress on a SARS vaccine but it disappeared on its own and the impetus went with it. There were a few promising vaccines that were awaiting various stages of trials at the time. MERS suffers similarly, neither have warranted massive research efforts.
