SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Sweet Square]

As above, completely missing the point, complete inability to recognise the use of common sense in these times. The journalist was following the officers, your behaviour effects others behaviour, that didn't need to become an incident.
And how exactly were the officers supposed to know he was a journalist? when they were in the vehicle. And even if he is one as claimed, the likelyhood of him carrying around his work ID whilst jogging is extremely low, how can this be verified by the officers.
Maybe i'm wrong but leaving your house during lockdown should be for exercise, buying food etc, no?. I dont remember the bit where you're meant to follow officers around recording them for merely a routine arrest. Where do you draw the line? Presumably by the logic youre inferring because its technically legal, people should basically be out and about following and filming officers carrying out their duties just because they can and officers should not say anything and let it continue. All massively helpful during this time of a global pandemic.

About 2 meters away(Something the police fail to do).

What law was broken by the person filming ? There was no need to for the police to get out of their vehicle and stop him filming. You're talking about common sense yet you're defending a group of people breaking social distance because someone had their phone out.

Also as for how exactly were the officers supposed to know he was a journalist ? I'm pretty sure you don't need to be journalist in order film in public spaces

Freedom to photograph and film
Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel

https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/photography-advice/

standing still doesn't sound like exercising to me. standing and filming definitely not. are you saying we should all just ignore the government advice in the middle of this pandemic?

You are advocating the police and the government penalise people for standing still ? And our weekly shopping trips turns into super market sweep ?

 

[Arruda]

I have a question for all like-minded people drowning in affluence.

Since my family hardly gets out these days, from what diseases are we now being protected in our hygienic paradise? Can we get the cold? The flu? Can we get any viral disease whatsoever? Can flies, mosquitoes or cockroaches spread viral infections?

Do we now turn our attention to those pesky bacteria?

There's a gazillion non-pathogenic microorganisms living inside your body that can cause disease if your immune status changes. There really is no perfect isolation from infectious diseases. People born with Severe Combined Immunodeficiency or other similar diseases need marrow transfusions and/or living in plastic sterile bubbles to survive.

From long stays at home, remember to watch out for fungus, though these are more likely to cause allergies than severe infection in a non-immunocompromised host.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I have a question for all like-minded people drowning in affluence.

Since my family hardly gets out these days, from what diseases are we now being protected in our hygienic paradise? Can we get the cold? The flu? Can we get any viral disease whatsoever? Can flies, mosquitoes or cockroaches spread viral infections?

Do we now turn our attention to those pesky bacteria?

By all accounts, GPs are seeing a huge reduction in the sort of "normal" infections that keep them busy ever year. Strep throat, vomiting bug, pneumonias, impetigo, colds, flu etc etc So this lockdown does seem to be having a significant affect on pretty much every infection you can think of. The ones that are passed from person to person, anyway.

 

[Arruda]

If all of that was confirmed to be true, there would certainly be a complete global 14-day lockdown. And some countries would actually be able to enforce it (shoot on sight when seen on the street).

14 days wouldn't be nearly enough. But say you did one for two months... Unless you can guarantee that 1) there are no latent forms of infection and 2) humans are the only hosts it still wouldn't be an effective strategy to wipe out the virus.

 

[Prometheus]

Spoiler

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

@Dancfc Hospitalisation/ICU/IFR break-down across age groups.

 

[Ludens the Red]

About 2 meters away(Something the police fail to do).

What law was broken by the person filming ? There was no need to for the police to get out of their vehicle and stop him filming. You're talking about common sense yet you're defending a group of people breaking social distance because someone had their phone out.

Also as for how exactly were the officers supposed to know he was a journalist ? I'm pretty sure you don't need to be journalist in order film in public spaces







You are advocating the police and the government penalise people for standing still ? And our weekly shopping trips turns into super market sweep ?

I’m not gonna bother anymore. Clearly you are incapable of grasping what it is I’m trying to say. Either through ignorance or maybe you just don’t like police. Doesn’t matter either way....

carry on....

 

[Withnail]

By all accounts, GPs are seeing a huge reduction in the sort of "normal" infections that keep them busy ever year. Strep throat, vomiting bug, pneumonias, impetigo, colds, flu etc etc So this lockdown does seem to be having a significant affect on pretty much every infection you can think of. The ones that are passed from person to person, anyway.

I was literally just thinking about this.

Am I being completely simple or is there a chance the whole lockdown thing kill off some of these infections completely, if not globally even locally within a small country, say?

Or is this completely fanciful?

 

[golden_blunder]

I have a question for all like-minded people drowning in affluence.

Since my family hardly gets out these days, from what diseases are we now being protected in our hygienic paradise? Can we get the cold? The flu? Can we get any viral disease whatsoever? Can flies, mosquitoes or cockroaches spread viral infections?

Do we now turn our attention to those pesky bacteria?

That’s what I was wondering the other day since I seem to have picked up the common cold. How did it get into my cocoon? The responses were that it must be hay fever, but I regularly get hay fever and I know it’s not

 

[Stick]

You can of course but it’s something to be aware off when everyone starts to cycle to work in cities. The cycle lanes will be busier

Ye mate sorry I posted something similar when replying to Wibble. I think new approaches will need to be made and folk just need to slow down a bit and give everyone some space in the short term. If that means me cycling slowly to work with a 10 metre distance from everyone then I can do that. Other thing is the roads are quite free with folk working from home so some could be opened up for quick bike commutes. If you're comfortable going fast and keeping a safe distance then use the road but otherwise leave the relaxed cycling to the cycle paths.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Would be so fun if this all proves to be only a prelude to WW 3.

Fun is not the word I am looking for, but you get what I mean.

WW3 or not China is in a load of shit if any of this sticks. Now WaPo tracking back as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

 

[Sweet Square]

I’m not gonna bother anymore. Clearly you are incapable of grasping what it is I’m trying to say. Either through ignorance or maybe you just don’t like police. Doesn’t matter either way....

carry on....

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I was literally just thinking about this.

Am I being completely simple or is there a chance the whole lockdown thing kill off some of these infections completely, if not globally even locally within a small country, say?

Or is this completely fanciful?

It’s an interesting idea but I’d say it’s unlikely. We know covid spread hasn’t stopped completely during lockdown, just reduced dramatically. So it’s the same with all these others.

What’s kind of fascinating is that if we could somehow keep absolutely everyone inside their own home 24/7 for just a few weeks then that would be the end of the coronavirus, permanently.

 

[4bars]

New York updated previous days deaths. adding 4.000 today

 

[Withnail]

It’s an interesting idea but I’d say it’s unlikely. We know covid spread hasn’t stopped completely during lockdown, just reduced dramatically. So it’s the same with all these others.

What’s kind of fascinating is that if we could somehow keep absolutely everyone inside their own home 24/7 for just a few weeks then that would be the end of the coronavirus, permanently.

We'd have to do that for the entire world though or just keep the borders closed... Easy peasy

 

[11101]

Quick google reveals that an example of a virus known to generate only short-term immunity would be the coronavirus (i.e. the one that causes the common cold). So that's not ideal

EDIT: Short term immunity only with SARS (the original) and MERS too. So I'd say it looks pretty unlikely we'll get long-term immunity after infection with SARS-CoV2. Feck knows we could do with catching a break though!

I had though the common cold might be one. Isn't that something to do with it's ability to disguise it's real identity, rather than the body 'forgetting' it? I wonder if it has weakened over time to achieve that level of adaptability.

SARS and MERS they don't really know, as nobody has ever been exposed to either a second time. Some people have been found to still have SARS antibodies even today.

 

[stepic]

About 2 meters away(Something the police fail to do).

What law was broken by the person filming ?

Also as for how exactly were the officers supposed to know he was a journalist ? I'm pretty sure you don't need to be journalist in order film in public spaces

seeing you seem to not get it, we're in the middle of a pandemic. government state:

Stay at home

• Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
• If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
• Wash your hands as soon as you get home

Do not meet others, even friends or family.

You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

so, please tell me where it says one can stand around filming stuff on their phone?

You are advocating the police and the government penalise people for standing still ? And our weekly shopping trips turns into super market sweep ?

ignoring the second statement because it's ludicrous. as to the first sentence, yes. you aren't meant to go out and stand around. read the advice i just posted again. it's really not difficult.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

We'd have to do that for the entire world though or just keep the borders closed... Easy peasy

And it would have to apply to NHS staff, police, everyone.
Every single line of transmission would need to be quarantined, which means every single human on earth. I agree though that it's very fascinating to think that if we could somehow lock this virus down 100% for 2-3 weeks, it would no longer exist, ever again. It is definitely a crazy, interesting concept.

 

[Shakesy]

There's a gazillion non-pathogenic microorganisms living inside your body that can cause disease if your immune status changes. There really is no perfect isolation from infectious diseases. People born with Severe Combined Immunodeficiency or other similar diseases need marrow transfusions and/or living in plastic sterile bubbles to survive.

From long stays at home, remember to watch out for fungus, though these are more likely to cause allergies than severe infection in a non-immunocompromised host.

This sits uneasy with me.

 

[prateik]

I'm quite confident you can get at least some immunity from it too. After 2,000,000 infected, ~500k recoveries, if you didn't I'm sure we would have been able confirm at least one reinfection by now.

Havent there been several cases? We probably dont know unless we test for antibodies.. find it in someone and then have them get infected again.. Till then, I guess any reinfection could just be a case of someone not recovering and just having a false negative.

That said, I searched for Covid reinfection and saw these two articles from yesterday..
https://qz.com/1837798/why-some-covid-19-patients-might-have-tested-positive-twice/
and more importantly
https://www.thelcn.com/news/local/l...cle_f4255ff3-71df-572a-af8a-23785a8eeffb.html

This first case of reinfection had been reported as a positive and then a recovered before the individual tested positive a second time. There was two weeks between the time the person was deemed recovered and then tested positive, Rodriguez told The Livingston County News.

A person is considered recovered when they have gone seven days without symptoms of COVID-19 and be free of symptoms without the aid of a fever reducer, Rodriguez said.

So the person tested positive 3 weeks after he/she initially stopped showing symptoms.. Probably 2+ of those weeks symptom free as well.

 

[Simbo]

Yet you fail to substantiate your claims.

Why are you wary if you have no proof? It is possible that China is partly to blame for the spread of this deadly virus, is it not?

What do I need proof of?

I've posted links various times in this thread to the reports issued by the Chinese medical community. By 14th Jan they'd told the world pretty much everything we needed to know, just 2 weeks after first concerns were raised in a few hospitals in Wuhan about a few cases of pneumonia. Given the scale we're talking about with a country that large and everything else they've got going on, I don't think realistically that they could have done much better, no.

Once they identified it they managed to trace the first case back to 1st Dec (it didn't start in the wet market), but that is retrospective analysis. It'll likely be traced back further after more work is done, that don't mean 'China' knew about it and covered it up from these dates, as some people seem to think.

 

[stepic]

This sits uneasy with me.

probably one of those non-pathogenic microorganisms

 

[Shakesy]

By all accounts, GPs are seeing a huge reduction in the sort of "normal" infections that keep them busy ever year. Strep throat, vomiting bug, pneumonias, impetigo, colds, flu etc etc So this lockdown does seem to be having a significant affect on pretty much every infection you can think of. The ones that are passed from person to person, anyway.

Ah! That sounds wonderful! Die streptococcus!

 

[11101]

They’re already working on a similar app to be rolled out across the EU. GDPR will be a pain in the arse to get round but exceptional times call for exceptional measures.

We have ours in Italy now, i got a text message to download it today. All data is anonymous and results are not public, they go straight to the government, so i suppose that's how they get around GDPR. It is optional and they ask you to fill in a short questionnaire about various symptoms each day and submit a temperature reading.

 

[Hound Dog]

14 days wouldn't be nearly enough. But say you did one for two months... Unless you can guarantee that 1) there are no latent forms of infection and 2) humans are the only hosts it still wouldn't be an effective strategy to wipe out the virus.

I haven't actually given the details a lot of thought; my point was that people seem unaware just how far away we are from the most drastic measures imaginable. If this virus actually had humanity-ending potential if left unchecked, such measures would be taken.

 

[spiriticon]

It’s an interesting idea but I’d say it’s unlikely. We know covid spread hasn’t stopped completely during lockdown, just reduced dramatically. So it’s the same with all these others.

What’s kind of fascinating is that if we could somehow keep absolutely everyone inside their own home 24/7 for just a few weeks then that would be the end of the coronavirus, permanently.

I was thinking about that as well actually. The problem is that it would have to be literally everybody around the world, including the medical and key staff in all countries.

 

[11101]

Havent there been several cases? We probably dont know unless we test for antibodies.. find it in someone and then have them get infected again.. Till then, I guess any reinfection could just be a case of someone not recovering and just having a false negative.

That said, I searched for Covid reinfection and saw these two articles from yesterday..
https://qz.com/1837798/why-some-covid-19-patients-might-have-tested-positive-twice/
and more importantly
https://www.thelcn.com/news/local/l...cle_f4255ff3-71df-572a-af8a-23785a8eeffb.html

So the person tested positive 3 weeks after he/she initially stopped showing symptoms.. Probably 2+ of those weeks symptom free as well.

I can't read the second article from the EU, but every case of reinfection so far seems to be based on shaky ground. Dodgy testing, early hospital discharge, things like that.

 

[Shakesy]

It’s an interesting idea but I’d say it’s unlikely. We know covid spread hasn’t stopped completely during lockdown, just reduced dramatically. So it’s the same with all these others.

What’s kind of fascinating is that if we could somehow keep absolutely everyone inside their own home 24/7 for just a few weeks then that would be the end of the coronavirus, permanently.

And influenza right? As far as my understanding goes influenza didn't even exist 120 years ago. Right?

 

[Hugh Jass]

And influenza right? As far as my understanding goes influenza didn't even exist 120 years ago. Right?

Incorrect.

 

[Withnail]

Ah! That sounds wonderful! Die streptococcus!

Poxy strep. I had that MF 3 times in a year when I was 16

 

[11101]

Some possible evidence that temperature will have an effect on the virus from Spain, although not enough to safely draw conclusions. Over the last few weeks they have found a correlation between temperature and number of cases:

http://www.ciencia.gob.es/portal/si...-aemet&utm_medium=email&utm_source=acumbamail

 

[Sweet Square]

seeing you seem to not get it, we're in the middle of a pandemic. government state:

Stay at home

• Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
• If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
• Wash your hands as soon as you get home

Do not meet others, even friends or family.

You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

so, please tell me where it says one can stand around filming stuff on their phone?



ignoring the second statement because it's ludicrous. as to the first sentence, yes. you aren't meant to go out and stand around. read the advice i just posted again. it's really not difficult.

It's advice you dork, not British law. Again for the millionth time the guy filming did nothing wrong he was filming an arrest(Which you are allowed to do and hasn't change since the pandemic)and was keeping his social distance until the police tried to stop him filming. Also did you not see the part of the video where he told the police that he was on his walk ?

The reason I'm using a ludicrous example is because you're stance is insane. If we apply you're view then it would mean the police always breaking social distancing every time they saw someone not moving(The government advice doesn't say you can stand still and check you're shopping list, so..........Go wild in the aisles!) So instead of having the police watch over the public, they would end up in continuous face to face contact with the public.

Again would have you been fine with the guy recording had he been running on the spot while also recording the video ?

 

[Shakesy]

Incorrect.

So what's the deal? Why have a read it on affluent websites?

 

[Ludens the Red]

seeing you seem to not get it, we're in the middle of a pandemic. government state:

Stay at home

• Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
• If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
• Wash your hands as soon as you get home

Do not meet others, even friends or family.

You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

so, please tell me where it says one can stand around filming stuff on their phone?



ignoring the second statement because it's ludicrous. as to the first sentence, yes. you aren't meant to go out and stand around. read the advice i just posted again. it's really not difficult.

Mate, it’s pointless . I gave up, let the stupid continue to be stupid.

 

[VP89]

Can't Rishi Sunak just continue to give the updates instead of this bellend?

 

[Acole9]

Jesus Christ, the government announce an extended lockdown and the first thing Laura Kuennesberg asks when is the lockdown ending? Why the feck is she asking that, everyday she asks shite questions. Stealing a living in journalism and that nob end Peston.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We have ours in Italy now, i got a text message to download it today. All data is anonymous and results are not public, they go straight to the government, so i suppose that's how they get around GDPR. It is optional and they ask you to fill in a short questionnaire about various symptoms each day and submit a temperature reading.

Cool. Glad to hear it. Hopefully they can link up and roll out the same tech all over Europe.

 

[RK]

Some possible evidence that temperature will have an effect on the virus from Spain, although not enough to safely draw conclusions. Over the last few weeks they have found a correlation between temperature and number of cases:

http://www.ciencia.gob.es/portal/si...-aemet&utm_medium=email&utm_source=acumbamail

My quarantine Spanish hasn't improved enough to translate that yet, but would imagine there's a correlation between temperature and latitude, and a correlation between latitude and number of cases simply due to proximity to the outbreak in the rest of Europe. Has that been controlled for?

 

[Vidyoyo]

I have a general question: does anybody know if the NHS, or other charities, are providing online opportunities to get involved in mental health initiatives to support people and/or front-line workers?

I'll make a full disclosure that I was asked this question at work but I think it's an excellent one as I'm not sure what current opps are available.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Some possible evidence that temperature will have an effect on the virus from Spain, although not enough to safely draw conclusions. Over the last few weeks they have found a correlation between temperature and number of cases:

http://www.ciencia.gob.es/portal/si...-aemet&utm_medium=email&utm_source=acumbamail

Fecking great news, if so. Like I said a few posts back. We could do with a fecking break. Been bad news after bad news about this damn virus for far too long.

 

[finneh]

About 2 meters away(Something the police fail to do).

What law was broken by the person filming ? There was no need to for the police to get out of their vehicle and stop him filming. You're talking about common sense yet you're defending a group of people breaking social distance because someone had their phone out.

Also as for how exactly were the officers supposed to know he was a journalist ? I'm pretty sure you don't need to be journalist in order film in public spaces

You are advocating the police and the government penalise people for standing still ? And our weekly shopping trips turns into super market sweep ?

Spot on, bravo.