SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Yeah, every country is different isn't it. Sorry to hear of your own predicament man, all the best and let's hope it's not as long a haul...

Having lived in a major Chinese city, and seen how the majority of the population (even relatively rich people) live in tower blocks due to lack of space.....its easy to lock down a city like that. All you need really is 2-3 armed police officers per tower block, at the entrance/exit, and you're literally quarantinining a good 500-1000 people in one easy swoop. Repeat that for every tower block in the city and you've quarantined millions of people with a few hundred police officers, give or take.

To do the same in the West with sprawling neighbourhoods, housing areas, is next to impossible unless you're deploying hundreds of officers to each town. They'd have to be 'on the move' non-stop in cars (main roads) and on foot (elsewhere). Not feasible.
As a Police officer in a large town of over one hundred and fifty thousand people in the UK, I have started work on the morning where there were 4 officers. Me, a pregnant lady who was desk bound, and two new starters, who weren't allowed to drive. We couldn't have locked down a single street in the worse areas, especially with the softly softly approach we have been instructed to take.
 

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I got the impression that the transport graph was a pat on the back to show how well we are doing at the lockdown, as quite understandably public transport must have been a great way of spreading it, and the drop off on the graph is quite a dramatic visual to display, but to show it every time, and to then follow it up with the all important hospital admissions graph seems odd.

I think if they did these briefings every 4-5 days they'd be really worth watching, and would stop people getting jaded with them, which quite possibly means missing some important new information, I'd also stop them asking the media if they 'want to follow up'.
Yes at first the follow up thing seemed refreshing from Raab.
Now it just makes him look weak and having to answer the same question again.
 

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As a Police officer in a large town of over one hundred and fifty thousand people in the UK, I have started work on the morning where there were 4 officers. Me, a pregnant lady who was desk bound, and two new starters, who weren't allowed to drive. We couldn't have locked down a single street in the worse areas, especially with the softly softly approach we have been instructed to take.
That sounds like the opening scene of a zombie movie.
 

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Feel like this clapping stuff is the new poppy.

Saw a clap for the queen's birthday next week. Absolute bin suggestion.
It means something to people that matter to people.

Don’t get jaded. NHS staff are buoyed by it.

Remove the politics. Make a noise. Be a good person. That’s it.

The queen can Fcuk off though.
 

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Someone from the U.S. knows if the 22 million people that lost their employment are still covered in case they get COVID-19? or the white house/states have nothing planned on that?
 

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It means something to people that matter to people.

Don’t get jaded. NHS staff are buoyed by it.

Remove the politics. Make a noise. Be a good person. That’s it.

The queen can Fcuk off though.
Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?
 

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What happens to airlines? Holiday companies? Surely many will go bust, mainly the latter.
 

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We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.
Masks will be obligatory until 2021 at least?
 

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Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?
Clapping, praying, painting your ringpiece into a rainbow are just token gestures to help the practitioners feel better about themselves.

It's tiresome.
 

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Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?
It’s not either/or you daftie.

I don’t applaud the people that are applauding. I applaud the people that are doing.

Objecting to that because some people that are clapping have different politics to you... hints at something broken in you.
 

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Clapping, praying, painting your ringpiece into a rainbow are just token gestures to help the practitioners feel better about themselves.

It's tiresome.
#Prayfor... fecks me off no end as well. Literally what will praying achieve in a time of strife like, for instance, a mass shooting? People flood social media with this sort of nonsense but don’t actually do anything meaningful to support.
 

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It’s not either/or you daftie.

I don’t applaud the people that are applauding. I applaud the people that are doing.

Objecting to that because some people that are clapping have different politics to you... hints at something broken in you.
I don’t object to them clapping, they are free to do as they wish. Just as I am free to call it token bollocks. It’s not a massive data sample, but I have three mates who work in the NHS in different capacities and they think it’s all well and good but are more concerned with the dire state of the conditions they are working in. It’s like the nonsense pin badges created for care workers. Just give the poor buggers the proper kit instead.
 

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I don’t object to them clapping, they are free to do as they wish. Just as I am free to call it token bollocks. It’s not a massive data sample, but I have three mates who work in the NHS in different capacities and they think it’s all well and good but are more concerned with the dire state of the conditions they are working in. It’s like the nonsense pin badges created for care workers. Just give the poor buggers the proper kit instead.
You have 3 friends that think it’s good. Go outside. Clap. Not all tokens are negative.

If you want to do something more, fcuking do it and stop complaining.

I’m a useless piece of shit for the most part but I’ve done more direct social good in the last month than I have in my entire life.

I voted labour. I wouldn’t have cared if Boris had passed. Hancock is a twat. Patel is evil. If I saw Raab walking down a flight of stairs I’d want to kick him. The queen can disappear.

You arguing to be a slightly worse person. Why?
 

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Is it really about that though? The legality? I mean let’s ask ourselves, is him filming that incident necessary at all? The woman wasn’t having her head kicked in.
Is the guardian going to run a story of ‘female arrested in park and walked to van by officers’ ?

I get the fascination with filming absolutely everything under the sun and posting it online out of context but could people just not do this whilst the country is being ravaged by a virus?

People need to take some fecking responsibility sometimes. In these times, act like an adult. You don’t need to film that, onlookers and people nearby don’t know he’s a journalist, they’ll see that and they’ll think something is going on and in turn they too will start gathering and pulling out cameras. We don’t need martyrs encouraging this sort of behaviour, especially as I’ve already said it’s completely unnecessary. Are officers now supposed to check on everybody filming them to see if they’re legitimate journalists? Just because they said they were. How about you just not film?

That video was shot in Finsbury Park, where I worked for a day about two weeks ago and during the day there were groups of people repeatedly going there to socialise and have beers and pretty much everyone we spoke to greeted us with snobby, sarcastic remarks. Thats probably why a TSG unit are there because to put it bluntly they tend to be a bit more “assertive” and less customer friendly.

And expecting Police to be able to socially distance themselves when out and about is absurd. It is encouraged but in reality it is completely unrealistic.

People are deluded. People are whinging and moaning about people not respecting the lockdown and somehow think these same people will simply obey and adhere to instructions to go home from an officer standing two metres away and politely asking “can you go home please”?
What planet are these people living on?

There’s a complete lack of personal responsibility in this country. But I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise when you have government officials putting out the most insincere apologies known to man when asked about their response to the coronavirus. Why would the citizens behave any different?
The thing is that the man identified himself as a journalist. He was filming an indecent that he saw when walking through the park.
The idea that the police are allowed to stop a journalist from filming what they are doing is scary.
 

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I'm forcing myself to believe that this clapping is going to be exchangeable in the future for real financial backing for the NHS, both in terms of treatments and workers pay, including the backing of strikes and resistance to political vandalism and sell offs.

So clap, clap away to your heart's content but know that when it comes to cashing that in, the cheques had better be legit.
 

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Makes sense to me. If they’re deemed important now what would change that stance between now and a vaccine being rolled out?
If the curb reaches R0 in a country which is very likely after successful lock down, and there are no imported cases what with the summer ahead and most viruses being seasonal I thought that might not be necessary.
 

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Slovenia will be lifting some restrictions starting next week. Technical stores and services open on Monday, while the next batch, which includes hairdressers, cosmetic salons, non-essential stores (excluding ones located in shopping centres), and outside non-contact sport centres, open up on May 4th. No word on restaurants, bars or public transport yet.

So that's something.
 

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+17164 cases in France now. That was a huge leap all of a sudden.
It seems to be linked to to cases in retirement homes and some hospitals that weren't previously reported for whatever reason. So I don't think that's a "true" number of the last 24 hours. Not necessarily linked to a big increase in testing either, just reporting.
 

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Someone from the U.S. knows if the 22 million people that lost their employment are still covered in case they get COVID-19? or the white house/states have nothing planned on that?
You’re expected to file for (very expensive) continued coverage under your old plan via COBRA, or use the special enrollment period to apply for coverage via the healthcare exchange or Medicaid. Failing that: a negotiated long term payment plan or bankruptcy.

As far as plans from the government to change that, eh...I don’t know how that would work.
 

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How many people are they testing now per day?
I don't know but I read that the reason for the surge was more data coming from nursing and retirement homes. For testing numbers you can go to this link on wikipedia and scroll down a bit, every countrys testing numbers are there :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

Acc. to the info there UK has done 327,608 tests by 16th april. In Norway we have tested 133,707 as of 15th. Pretty low numbers for testing in the UK if this is correct.
 

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Of course, as is to be expected.
But this is brilliant news man. Love seeing other countries around us getting light at the end of the tunnel and planning ahead. Go on Poland.
I always look at the little battles, few weeks ago all we had to look for was Italy not rising as badly as usual but now we are starting to see exit plans around us and not to mention Sweden's bold move not as of yet backfiring (touch wood).

I'm very confident some restrictions will be lifted in three weeks here (if nothing else because they have to be or the economy collapses) and If the rumoured traffic light plan is legit we will be able to visit freinds and family again which I can't wait to do.
 

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Unless clapping can bring a health service back to life a la Tinkerbell, promising not to vote Tory again would be a far more useful thing to do for the NHS.

But of course that won't happen. So frontline healthcare staff will have to make do with applause until this crisis is over, at which point they'll go back to being as underappreciated as they normally are.
 

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I cycle from April - Nov/Dec and get the train from Dec-April. I tend to get sniffles from Dec - April. There could be a huge increase in cyclists though and then Geebs point stands for possible transmission from cyclists to others but still seems a lot more hygenic and health to use the bike.
Agreed.
 

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Friends of mine in Australia seem quite optimistic and also happy with their Government

 

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#Prayfor... fecks me off no end as well. Literally what will praying achieve in a time of strife like, for instance, a mass shooting? People flood social media with this sort of nonsense but don’t actually do anything meaningful to support.
I’m not religious myself and think the idea of prayer is a waste of time but don’t you think people use it as a coping mechanism? It might seem like bollocks to you but if someone wants to prayer what exactly is the issue?


Unless clapping can bring a health service back to life a la Tinkerbell, promising not to vote Tory again would be a far more useful thing to do for the NHS.

But of course that won't happen. So frontline healthcare staff will have to make do with applause until this crisis is over, at which point they'll go back to being as underappreciated as they normally are.
There is a whole host of regulars posting the same thing on this thread. Why don’t you just open a new thread called ‘I hate tories’.
 

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It means something to people that matter to people.

Don’t get jaded. NHS staff are buoyed by it.

Remove the politics. Make a noise. Be a good person. That’s it.

The queen can Fcuk off though.
Bollocks. Junior Doctors would rather PPE and a payrise rather than a measly clap by some narcissistic Tory wanker.
 

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If you had to open a new thread for every permutation of evil Tory feckery then this forum would be swamped. A Tory is a cnut, you don't need a seperate thread for tautology.
 

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Friends of mine in Australia seem quite optimistic and also happy with their Government

They haven't totally fecked things up like they have for everything they did before this e.g. bush fire response. But they have also been useless (Ruby Princess fiasco) and lucky - no mass infection from overseas prior to restrictions. The PM is still flailing around confusing people by trying to adjust everything he says and some of what he does to keep the even further right of his party happy/quiet.

But we are doing well in terms of infections/deaths and the economic measures have helped.
 
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Bolsanovo (can't be arsed checking the spelling so I also like to call him Shit Face) has fired his health minister for saying they need to enact social distancing. This piece of shit is going to be responsible for untold deaths. I didn't think you could find a scummier person than Trump during all of this but there you go.
 

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Slovenia will be lifting some restrictions starting next week. Technical stores and services open on Monday, while the next batch, which includes hairdressers, cosmetic salons, non-essential stores (excluding ones located in shopping centres), and outside non-contact sport centres, open up on May 4th. No word on restaurants, bars or public transport yet.

So that's something.
I saw that news. Although Ljubljana probably has a supermarket for every 20 people, so much easier to socially distance. Still blows my mind every time I go there how many there are for such a small city.
 

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I saw that news. Although Ljubljana probably has a supermarket for every 20 people, so much easier to socially distance. Still blows my mind every time I go there how many there are for such a small city.
I live in a very remote town and I have an Asda, two Tesco's, a further Tesco express, two Iceland's and LIDL all within walking distance.

It was handy during the peak panic buying period, between all seven stores I just about managed to get everything I needed bar bog roll.
 

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Woah.

I'm watching Sky News at the US is unveiling plans re-opening of society. Not putting anything too specific date wise for obvious reasons, just letting the citizens what the plan is.

I'm absolutely staggered. I know it shouldn't be but I live in the UK and have been told ad nauseam by our most esteemed health secretary (and others to be fair to old Hancock) that the mere mention of an exit strategy isn't okay. In fact today Matt looked was getting quite chippy at those journalists daring to ask about such a strategy.
 

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They haven't totally fecked things up like they have for everything they did before this e.g. bush fire response. But they have also been useless (Ruby Princess fiasco) and lucky - no mass infection from overseas prior to restrictions. The PM is still flailing around confusing people by trying to adjust everything he says and some of what he does to keep the even further right of his party happy/quiet.

But we doing well in terms of infections/deaths and the economic measures have helped.
This is what my friend wrote:

In as much as I thought full lockdown was the only way, I have now realised how lucky we are to live in a country where the government is actually on top of things and it’s working.

Shutting down international travel and quarantining incoming passengers, school from home, social distancing and WFH, and businesses like takeaways and (critically) Bunnings remaining open has been effective. Yes, it’s trying to be home based but we still get to buy our creature comforts. We can’t hang with our friends and families but we get to do driveway drinks with our neighbours. We’ve had to cancel things like our wedding but can still go outside to exercise and in our areas to swim in the ocean.

As it stands we’ve avoided the health system crisis that other countries have faced. In addition the government support of small business and individuals is not something I’ve ever seen in my life.

Today I am feeling encouraged. There is talk of relaxing some restrictions in coming weeks too, and kids going back to school.
 

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Except there was a Belgian study done on joggers and cyclists.. you wouldn’t want to be traveling in their slipstream
More like a white paper with no citations, no disclosed methodology, not peer-reviewed. It was an aerodynamic simulation rather than a virology study.
Havent there been several cases? We probably dont know unless we test for antibodies.. find it in someone and then have them get infected again.. Till then, I guess any reinfection could just be a case of someone not recovering and just having a false negative.

That said, I searched for Covid reinfection and saw these two articles from yesterday..
https://qz.com/1837798/why-some-covid-19-patients-might-have-tested-positive-twice/
and more importantly
https://www.thelcn.com/news/local/l...cle_f4255ff3-71df-572a-af8a-23785a8eeffb.html

So the person tested positive 3 weeks after he/she initially stopped showing symptoms.. Probably 2+ of those weeks symptom free as well.
Is that reinfection or relapse? That's crucially important!