Good summary in my opinion. It will be the general plan I think. During swine flu, every airport overseas I passed through was testing every single passenger for symptoms. That will likely be the plan going forward, if you test positive, you are ushered into a 14day hotel room quarantine (arriving in your destination) or if you're arriving home, you are advised to isolate for 14days at home, like now.
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Good summary in my opinion. It will be the general plan I think. During swine flu, every airport overseas I passed through was testing every single passenger for symptoms. That will likely be the plan going forward, if you test positive, you are ushered into a 14day hotel room quarantine (arriving in your destination) or if you're arriving home, you are advised to isolate for 14days at home, like now.
I really don't understand how not locking down would have been beneficial. I'm obviously missing something but if we are experiencing these numbers right now, what is the benefit of people going about their business? How does that reduce the numbers?
I just read that 50 percent of Swedish households are 1 person homes. Is that right? The fact this isnt stamped out because of it confuses me. Plus they have a low density rate.
Their numbers v rest of the world just lost all meaning to me.
Their numbers v rest of the world just lost all meaning to me.
yes, because the last 5 years have proven the British public make smart decisions taking into account all available evidence.
Neither. Industrialisation is a huge challenge in itself and millions is only just scratching the surface really. Whoever does find the vaccine will need to find a way to produce in the 100s of millions at first.
First google result from statista.com says 38% (amounting to 20% of population living alone). For UK 28%, so definitely a meaningful difference but less than many think, I assume.
Also google mobility report for Sweden shows they are doing a lot of social-distancing. Transit is down 40% for example. But if I could decide for Finland, I would follow Sweden and Denmark and open the schools.
Yes, it seems to be the rubbish stuff that will be allowed, like commuting to the office and kids going to school. All the stuff that we actually want to do will still be a no go.
I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that the lockdown in the U.K. only happened due to public pressure
Haha so true. With Covid & the govt still pushing ahead with Brexit end if this year with no transition period extension we are in for a world of hurt. Might be best for those that can to think of other places to live
It wasn't about limiting deaths, it was about protecting the economy. Remember Dominic Cummings' (Boris's chief advisor) quote about "if some old people die then so be it"
So all the things that make life enjoyable will be off limits. How long will it be before there’s widespread breaking of the measures or basically how long will it be before people can’t take anymore
Ah feck - that went over my head!!! Patels quote is disgraceful.
I'm noticing it already. When I go on my walks I'm finding half the people I pass making no effort to physically distance whatsoever. Seeing more groups of lads (mainly) on bikes or smoking weed. Also hearing of more house parties, pubs with lock ins in an upstairs room, etc.
I was expecting an informative video regarding "what's going on" with the bat-shittery on a certain side of policical spectrum, took me a few mintues to realise it was a product of the bat-shittery itself. Made me laugh anyay.Wish I could understand why so many people are so easily led down this garden path, is it just confirmation bias?
Click the description of that video if you want another laugh, she's some god-botherer, begging for donations and trying to sell some daft unrelated products.
Interesting, but bad typo in there- it must mean 'unemployment', not 'employment' in the fifth paragraph.
People cant open pubs etc against government regulations?
Im guessing we arent far off being able to go to see family members etc but anything with crowds just cant open or well be set back to square 1
All of that can be said of almost all other countries though. I live between Italy and Switzerland currently, pretty much all of what you say above is true here. France can't get tests sorted out, Spain we know is in a mess, even Japan is now running into trouble, and the less said about the US the better. You are talking about some of the most developed nations in the world there. The way people talk in this thread you would think the UK is a total disaster and the virus is just a blip to everybody else. The reality is the UK is handling it about as well as everybody else - the virus took the whole world by surprise.
None of that is because of the budget though, it's because the management keep wasting the money they do get on overpriced agency nurses, ridiculous procurement processes and ill-advised projects. That's been the point all along. The money is there but we are terrible at spending it.
Compared to all of our peer countries the government spends roughly similar, that's really not debatable (especially if you forget private add ons and co pays, which the UK has very little of). We don't stand out for overspending or underspending in any way. Again, like above, the whole point I am making is that if you listened to this thread you'd think the UK was being forced to work on a shoestring, and it's just not true.
Even if we did increase the budget, above 2500 spend per capita (we are around 3,000) there is little evidence that increases have any effect on health outcomes. 2 of the 4 'healthiest' countries spend less than us, and 2 of the 4 top spenders have worse health outcomes than us. If anything, looking at those figures it might suggest a reversal over a certain point as bloat sets in.
edit: anyway, this is all too much politics now. This will be my last post on it.
That’s why your publication pays you the big bucks, Jips.
It was obvious from the beginning. The lockdown was a political decision.
The government would never have survived the political liability if we went the way of herd immunity and had many times more deaths.
I think they’re still shit scared about running out of PPE for frontline staff. Especially now they’re trying to fix the care home crisis. It does seem like a no brainer, though. So long as people go with homemade masks (although there’s a risk they won’t)
I heard that stat about the one person households too. Amazing. Those demographics are presumably why they took the approach they did. Which does seem to be working out ok for them. So far. Doesn’t sound as though any other country could follow that model.
Eesh.
Doesn't seem to be true though.
Underlines the good news about the peak having been flattened in Ireland.
Sorry to hear that, the fact you're still functioning at all is a credit to you though!
I really don't think I'd be able to cope in the situations you've described and i really don't get the lack of anger by the public at asking our NHS staff to put their lives at real risk.
Even putting someone in the position of having to weigh up whether they risk their life to treat someone is going to leave mental scars on many. I know my friend is struggling with it.
It's disgusting but it's what you get when you put people in charge based off Brexit credentials.
Sorry too political for our Tory drones in here, how dare i suggest minsiters are accountable....all hail Boris!!
In Florida: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/f...g-first-to-reopen-since-coronavirus-closures/
and here's Florida's governor:
and this is from a few days ago:
and here's Florida's governor:
and this is from a few days ago:
Luckily the geniuses in charge realised you can’t protect the economy when you have hundreds of thousands of people dying and millions infected and spreading disease.
It’s definitely open to more than one interpretation. Needs more context.
It's absolutely horrifying what is going on in America right now. With the way they are handling it and the way the right wing media is conditioning the public to think it's some sort of hoax, it's really don't difficult to imagine the mortality rate is going to be into the millions. The worst of it is that the country is so partisan right now that, despite their being clearly one side trying to save lives and the other sacrificing lives to save the economy ("their own wealth" is more apt), the right wing media machine is so fecking powerful that no matter how bad it gets, blame and anger will always be directed in one direction. The worst thing about that is that anger and the appetite for blame is going to be absolutely fierce.
I think the civil unrest caused by the criminal handling of this crisis at federal level and the hatred and blame being dished out could end up costing as many lives as the virus itself.
I think the civil unrest caused by the criminal handling of this crisis at federal level and the hatred and blame being dished out could end up costing as many lives as the virus itself.
Said this back when it's all just started kicking-out two months ago:
I mean if some random Joe on the internet can predict something like this then you know that there's something fundamentally wrong with the country.
Horrible news from canada. All but two caregivers left the nursing home for 130 elders, while the relatives were told to avoid visits due to Covid-19. Several dead and people left for themselves in excrements and without food for days.. 
How is this possible. I hope there will be severe punishment for those responsible.
https://www.barrons.com/news/horrors-revealed-at-virus-hit-canada-nursing-home-01587174605
How is this possible. I hope there will be severe punishment for those responsible.https://www.barrons.com/news/horrors-revealed-at-virus-hit-canada-nursing-home-01587174605
I think Boris is a populist twat, but to call that video a smoking gun is a massive stretch at best. He specifically said he was referring to a panic, that pushes measures beyond rational levels. And in the end economic factors play an important role in the considerations of every country, it's always a trade-off between slowing down the spread and doing as little damage to the economy as possible. The most damaging thing I take away from the clip is that he would put such basic and naive logic into an official speech.
I think this has become the classic feedback loop of these right wing populists. The division and chaos they create end up working in their favour, by consolidating their base, locking in voters for life and even dictating their opposition's policy, because most people don't react to this by going into the other direction, but by turning to "safe" and bipartisan candidates that promise stability and an end to madness (e.g. Biden with all his flaws).
I think this has become the classic feedback loop of these right wing populists. The division and chaos they create end up working in their favour, by consolidating their base, locking in voters for life and even dictating their opposition's policy, because most people don't react to this by going into the other direction, but by turning to "safe" and bipartisan candidates that promise stability and an end to madness (e.g. Biden with all his flaws).
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Maybe but their economy is very reliant on tourism. They'll want to get the Disney parks and resorts open ASAP and this is a step towards that.
Exactly and there are entire countries out there who are pretty much entirely reliant on their tourism trade to stay afloat. They will follow suit at the first reasonable opportunity.
* nope.
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