Georgia Mayors Speak Out After Governor Makes Call To Reopen Despite COVID-19 Outbreaks
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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We need to find out the exact number of care home deaths. Why are old people being left to die in care homes when the NHS has not been overwhelmed in any way? Is this the treatment I can look forward to in this country as I get older?
This is totally ridiculous. I hate modern politics.
This is totally ridiculous. I hate modern politics.
Worth noting that there were fake rumours about the trial going around that one participant had died, which have been denied by the participant in question.
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she should really have gone with "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated"
That's an actor
This is the other scandal going on - If you reside in care homes or assisted living places you have essentially been pressured to agree on a "Do Not Resuscitate" approach if you catch it. If you live in your own accommodation then you are slightly higher up the pecking order but will still struggle to get an ambulance response. Italy and Spain were swamped and so had to make these sort of hard triage decisions, but the UK had prior notice and should have prepared better. When this is all over there will have to be a complete re-think of social care because people will refuse to put their relatives in care homes when the respective death rates get published.
There are some great privately and publicly run old peoples homes out there, and the sector has been badly let down by the DHSC with the absence of PPE. However the whole "Herd Immunity" approach seems to have created, in some, a culture of being happy to abandon people over a certain age for the sake of the economy. This will not be forgotten and has been totally shown up by New Zealand. We have created the worst of both worlds and saddled ourselves with massive debts for one of the worst death rates in the world.
Given that most care homes are privately run and for profit......yes it will be what you can expect the older you get. One of the things that has puzzled me about the crisis is the hammering the government is taking for not providing PPE for care homes when over 80 percent of them are private businesses. We should also then be complaining for them not providing PPE to private hospitals should we not. Media take on the crisis has been piss poor.
I'm pretty sure there is massive coverage about PPE in hospitals as well.
What I don't understand is why we can't take these old people into hospitals for the healthcare that they need? Yes, tough decisions need to be made if the NHS is overwhelmed. But it isn't.
What's the point in turning old people away from the hospital when it is them who actually need help the most and we have the capacity to help them? If we try our best and they pass anyway in hospital, so be it. But fecking try, at least.
"The NHS is for everyone" (except the old and those with underlying health conditions lol)
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where do you think care homes get their ppe
Ah the old privatise it and it's not my fault mantra.
The state no matter what you think has a duty of care to everyone. If private care homes couldn't source PPE of course the government should be assisting as it not only impacts the staff but also residents. I'd be intrigued to understand if legally private care homes even have to provide PPE to the same level.
The biggest feck up here is the lack of testing which meant what hope was there from it not getting into care homes.
"Just wash your hands"
The amount of people who rather than admit they voted for a bunch of ill prepared knobheads will put their fingers in their ears and complain aboht the media is terrifying.
And what's to say the other lot would of faired any better? There all as bad as each other. Get your head out of the sand.
Because chillingly ,they do not care. Less old and disabled ,less burden on the economy. Why they are on the
DNRs list.
Yes they are all as bad as each other and even if it had been a government of national unity it would still have fecked it up. As for the media all I can say is thank god the same pillocks were not about during WW2. Then we fecked up Poland, France, Dunkirk, Norway....etc etc. If the same tosspots working with hindsight today were commentating then we would have begged Germany for peace within the first twelve months.
And as for private homes they also have a duty of care it cannot all be passed sideways onto any government. If they can simply pass that duty on what’s the fecking point of them. Might just as well say that employers like Branson are quite right to say it’s not his responsibility to support his workers if they are not making him a profit.
This is new ground for these people. They have had the media on their side for years but now the media have decided to pull the government up for the blatant negligence that has resulted in the death of thousands they haven't got the ammunition to defend themselves any more so they double down on blatant lies and make outlandish claims instead of admitting they voted for a party that would inject their nans with the virus if it saved them paying out a state pension.
Very uplifting songs from Alicia Keys
Give those on minimum wage a pay rise, that is what they want. Not singing or clapping.
The 'ageing process' is not defined as an illness and for a long time now hospitals have not been geared to looking after elderly people whose main health problem is that of ageing, or as my Grandmother said 'gradually wearing out'. Those with a chronic illness like cancer are catered for in hospices to see out their end of life cycle, but others with just the average ageing issues, i.e. failing heart, failing organs, dementia etc. just become 'bed blockers'. This is what happens generally, whilst care homes can care for the elderly who are generally fit, but not when they have advanced ageing issues and when something like Covid-19 arrives well that just blows everything up. Contagion of any known kind in a care home can be difficult and nigh impossible to control, but when we know practically nothing about how to treat it, then Care homes both for residents and staff become not the front line, but effectively 'no man's land'.
Italy which has a much higher age population deals with things differently, or so I recall. Some 20 years ago I was working on an IT project in Italy which involved a seven story building, on the top three floors elderly people lived in their own self contained flats but with communal access to various 'common' rooms, i.e. dining, lounge, TV rooms etc. with alarm systems throughout to summon help when needed. The fourth floor had a more sheltered environment when personal care could be administered privately to those residents unable to move freely, the second and third floors were quipped as a hospital and the ground floor was a mortuary. As one man told me "we come in at the top and work our way to the bottom", everyone involved, residents and staff seem to accept it was a good idea.
That's what you can call a care for the elderly set up!
* First floor was all admin and offices ... in case anyone was wondering!!
Italy which has a much higher age population deals with things differently, or so I recall. Some 20 years ago I was working on an IT project in Italy which involved a seven story building, on the top three floors elderly people lived in their own self contained flats but with communal access to various 'common' rooms, i.e. dining, lounge, TV rooms etc. with alarm systems throughout to summon help when needed. The fourth floor had a more sheltered environment when personal care could be administered privately to those residents unable to move freely, the second and third floors were quipped as a hospital and the ground floor was a mortuary. As one man told me "we come in at the top and work our way to the bottom", everyone involved, residents and staff seem to accept it was a good idea.
That's what you can call a care for the elderly set up!
* First floor was all admin and offices ... in case anyone was wondering!!
Ive helped patients fill out Do Not Resuscitate orders all the time. They do not mean that people do not get treatment and doesnt determine whether they go to hospital.
We have phased out the DNARs now for Respect forms which can formulate ceiling of intervention for some patients which is also discussed with them in their advanced care plans.
Vast majority of inpatients in covid wards that we are treating are elderly.
We have phased out the DNARs now for Respect forms which can formulate ceiling of intervention for some patients which is also discussed with them in their advanced care plans.
Vast majority of inpatients in covid wards that we are treating are elderly.
Seems they have changed the wording of the fifth stipulation regarding the end of the lockdown. Now it's not just avoiding a second peak as it was before but instead avoiding one that overwhelms the NHS.
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Watching the daily briefing.
What a struggle this has been for the Deputy Chief Scientific Adviser.
And Hancock gave a contradictory answer to the question from a member of the public re shielding.
What a struggle this has been for the Deputy Chief Scientific Adviser.
And Hancock gave a contradictory answer to the question from a member of the public re shielding.
So it's the media's job to unquestioningly spout government propaganda while our thousands of avoidable deaths rack up due to serious policy errors and health workers die due to government incompetence?
What the actual goverment did or didn't do are real facts with real consequences for the people, what another goverment might have done is pure speculation. I don't think you can go further in the head into sand department than just declaring any kind of criticism irrelevant, because you don't like the other guys.
If anything the UK's media was slow to criticize the UK government's response, certainly compared to media outside the UK. I'm not sure how they could avoid criticising them at this point.
No it is’nt of course it’s the duty of the media to hold decision makers to account. Trouble is the holding to account is warped by political ideologies. At a time as well when everyone, including all those pontificating on social media .... and yes I include myself.....are talking out of there arses. Where I do reckon our medical experts have it right is in saying that it’s only when this is totally under control and meaningful comparisons are able to be made throughout the world will any nation be able to point fingers and say how much we buggered up. Be damned if like many on boards such as this I want to make capital over how poorly we might be doing.
We have a similar set-up in our village. There is a large "Casa di Riposo" right in the middle of the main street, it's at the centre of the community. I know they take people there who are still self-caring, because the elderly newsagent who lived right next door to it moved in when his wife died.
The village GP operates from the ground floor and looks after the residents, and the emergency medical service (who villagers can see out of hours) is also based there. It's owned by the local council. It's something we lost in the UK when the community long-stay hospitals were closed and nothing was put in their place that was publicly-owned.
This is a general forum attached to a Man Utd football site. What political capital do you think is made by people posting on boards like this?
Yes, there will be political slants to journalistic queries of the Government. I can't understand why that invalidates the need for the challenges to occur. They are the Government and they must be held to account. We can simply adopt compliant positions and have a little chat about it next June.
I still find it funny that we're calling this a lockdown. We're pretty much free to do what we like, there's just nowhere to go. A lockdown in name only.
Thank god the media didn't promote Trumo's covid cures unquestioningly.
It's not so much making political capital as wanting accountability.
You want us to have faith in a government that was willing to let thousands of old people die only to do a massive U-turn when it realised that was a vote loser?
OK fine, don't expect others to give this government a free pass though.
Hmmm, not really seeing the value of using Z score (rather than something more directly correlated to the actual numbers of excess deaths) there - the FT's briefing seems more intelligible really - https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c. Maybe someone can explain why using the Z score is statistically helpful.
I do agree with the central premise though - we need to look at excess deaths to get a serious idea of how we're doing. "Covid on the death certificate" isn't enough of a guide given the lack of testing in the community and the numbers dying without hospital treatment.
In one of the replies he says he used Z score because that's what the source used in their data.
Poor man.
Some landlords are a disgrace.His landlord is a scumbag for pulling a stunt like that.
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He/she is going to have to live with that decision
Yup, but if he can do it in the first instance, not sure he’ll have much of a conscience.
The second round of easing restrictions in Slovenia will begin next week. Bars and restaurants will be able to open on May 4th, but will only be able to serve on terraces and patios. Libraries, museums, galleries will also open on the same day. As will churches, which will even be able to hold a mass, which seem like a terrible idea, but I guess you have to pander to your voter base if you're a terrible government. Most of non-essential business and stores can all begin work next Monday as well.
So we're slowly getting some semblance of normality back. Course as far as I can tell we still won't be able to leave our municipalities for non-essential reasons (which always was and still is dumb, considering how small and useless some of them are) and schools and universities will remain closed until 11th of May at least. There's still a nation wide study going on which will test at least 1500 randomly selected people. 3000 invitations were sent out and about 1300 people responded, so they'll need to do a second part of the study after the holidays.
We've also had our very own dumb protests going on in some of larger "cities". Some of it was fueled, by the fact that our brilliant politicians likely managed to do some light embezzling when procuring the PPE. The usual "exploit an emergency state for some easy corruption" deal that we get every so often here, normally by the same exact politicians that did it the last time. It's usually discovered a few years after the fact, but this time we had a whistle blower that managed to put the whole sham to light quite early. But most of the protest was just general, non specific bullshit, ranging from anything between corona is less dangerous than the flu and 5g/chipping/state control nonsense. Either way hopefully there won't be any new clusters thanks to this ridiculousness.
So we're slowly getting some semblance of normality back. Course as far as I can tell we still won't be able to leave our municipalities for non-essential reasons (which always was and still is dumb, considering how small and useless some of them are) and schools and universities will remain closed until 11th of May at least. There's still a nation wide study going on which will test at least 1500 randomly selected people. 3000 invitations were sent out and about 1300 people responded, so they'll need to do a second part of the study after the holidays.
We've also had our very own dumb protests going on in some of larger "cities". Some of it was fueled, by the fact that our brilliant politicians likely managed to do some light embezzling when procuring the PPE. The usual "exploit an emergency state for some easy corruption" deal that we get every so often here, normally by the same exact politicians that did it the last time. It's usually discovered a few years after the fact, but this time we had a whistle blower that managed to put the whole sham to light quite early. But most of the protest was just general, non specific bullshit, ranging from anything between corona is less dangerous than the flu and 5g/chipping/state control nonsense. Either way hopefully there won't be any new clusters thanks to this ridiculousness.