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How is demanding public figures act legally and ethically acting like a cock?
To be fair I think he was referring to those posters suggesting everyone should now do as they please on the basis that Cummings did.
 

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In all that waffle, I find that I'm asking myself one question. Who drives 30 miles with their 4 year old kid in the back to test their eyesight?
He was secretly conduction a test as to exactly how ludicrous an excuse Tory voters will suck up without question.
 

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The media is now at his elderly parents house.

That i dont agree with.

Let them be
 

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Powerful article by Helen Goodman was the Labour MP for Bishop Auckland from 2005 to 2019

My dad who was 93 had been living in a care home for a few months in Barnard Castle, County Durham. On 23 March, without forewarning, a lockdown was imposed – visits from friends, family, the parish priest and even local GPs stopped. My dad found this disorientating and distressing. As he put it to one of the carers: “I don’t understand why Helen can’t come and see me: she only lives 200 yards away.”

So to learn that Dominic Cummings was in Barnard Castle, 260 miles from his home in London, at a time when the government was discouraging tourism, is sickening.

My dad wasn’t tested for coronavirus and I’m sure loneliness and isolation contributed to his death on 24 April. We tried Zoom calls, but he couldn’t hear properly and the picture on a mobile phone was too small for him to recognise the other person. This was really hard for all of us but most of all, of course, for him. He hated loneliness and he was alone when he died five weeks after our last visit. Nothing can ever change that reality.

The prime minister’s defence of Cummings adds insult to injury for the relatives of those who have died from Covid-19 and other causes during lockdown, who are unable to grieve for their relatives properly as funeral attendances are restricted.

In his press conference, Cummings said he went to a cottage on his parents’ farm to have childcare available should he and his wife become so ill that they were unable to look after their four-year-old. He said his trip to Barnard Castle was to test his eyesight before driving to London. However, this is offensive to people observing the rules while they struggle to cope with their own families complex needs. I know one woman, a single parent of two children, one of whom is autistic, who has to isolate because she has a rare and complex health problem. It’s hard but she’s doing it.

In the face of the pandemic, my local community has risen to the challenge. Networks of local support have sprung up and expanded, with people shopping and collecting medicines for others. Our seven local food banks have been operating way above their usual level in response to rising demand – Bishop Auckland recorded a 50% increase in the number of out-of-work benefits claimants between March and April. An initiative, Cuppas for Carers, inwhich volunteers take tea and biscuits round to people who work in care homes, has garnered lots of support.


But we are not without fear. Up to now the small towns of County Durham have been abiding by the lockdown, yet 476 have died of the virus as of 19 May, according to Durham county council. In rural Teesdale people have been particularly worried about what will happen to the rate of infection and the number of deaths should they see an influx of tourists to all the local beauty spots. To visit the north-east, ignore the rules and put other people’s health at risk displays an arrogance that people find both repellent and alarming. Were our sacrifices for nothing?

In the last couple of days I’ve had messages and emails from people in great distress. Here is one woman whose parents live in County Durham:

“I feel utterly betrayed by our prime minister.
On 11 April, as the virus was peaking, my mum suffered a serious and life-changing stroke. She is now at the end of her life and has faced this long struggle alone … Dad has been left bereft and distraught at not being able to see her and stroke her hair. I was told not to travel and to stay at home. I have spent most of my days on the phone [to arrange care] and Dad has wept buckets.
“Mr Johnson’s pathetic defence [of Cummings] is unforgivable, insulting and so distressing. The anguish is indescribable. We did it in the belief that it was for the greater good: that we were all marching together. Our hearts are broken.”
A well of grief has built up among the family and friends of the 62,000 people who have died in this pandemic. If the prime minister thinks people will forgive and forget, he is sorely mistaken. People have been holding it in as they struggle to get through each day. This episode has burst the dam and a huge wave is now flooding out.
 

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Yeah, we shouldn’t hold our government to account and massively condemn them when they do wrong because it’s just like Caroline Flack.

I’m glad they’re outside his house. They need to know they can’t just get away with whatever they want.
 

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Some brilliant posts on Guardian comments. This one is brilliant

Written by ‘morbile
He broke the rules because he was, but he wasn't ill and neither was his wife, but she was.
So he drove 260 miles just in case he, his wife or his child could get ill and that meant that no one in London would take of the child who wasn't ill, in case he or his wife did get ill.
But when he got to Durham he discovered that in fact he was ill and his wife was no longer ill.
So his child was no longer in need of help because mum who was not ill could look after his sick child who wasn't ill.
So while he was ill he decided that because he was ill he should go out for a walk because it might make him not ill.
After a little while when he was still ill his eyes became ill and he decided it would be prudent to test his eyes by driving for an hour while ill with Covid and have a walk by a river.
He found that his eyes were not as ill as he thought and neither was he.
So now while he wasn't ill, even if the previous day he was ill, he could drive back to London because he was no longer ill.
Because he was so ill, he forgot to tell anyone what he was doing while he was ill, instead waiting until he wasn't ill to tell people he had been ill, mentioning that he didn't want to be ill in London because he preferred to be ill in Durham in case his child got ill even though he wasn't ill.
In the end it was a simple misunderstanding and after he explained what had happened, everybody would be able to see right through him.
 

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Another guardian comment; I’ll paraphrase this one by border poll:
Is it possible that the poor eyesight thing is down to him being a colossal wanker?
 

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Yeah, we shouldn’t hold our government to account and massively condemn them when they do wrong because it’s just like Caroline Flack.

I’m glad they’re outside his house. They need to know they can’t just get away with whatever they want.
And that's the thing, even after the barrage from the media and the utter disgust expressed by the public and the outrage by the Church and other MPs, the shaming, insults and the bullying, these fecking cnuts still have the gall to front up and say "did nowt wrong", "I stand by him", "look elsewhere for contrition": We do what we want, we have the power, You Serve Us.

Are we going to have to literally drag these scumbags through the street, because there seems to be very few ways left to hold these gangsters to account.
 

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I think it weird that he could not be sure if he stopped for fuel, why lie about it?
Why lie?
He is part of a government who find it far more convenient to lie than tell the truth.
 

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Michael Gove on BBC yet again quite clearly twisting the truth to satisfy the narrative that DC acted with honesty, legally and integrity.

They just don't get it do they.
He broke the Stay At Home instructions.
Clear and simple.
 

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Stories of Cummings editing his blog to make it look like he predicted Coronavirus when he got back to work:

Just highlights the staggering contempt he hold us all in. Anyone defending him is a cnut too.
 
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The media is now at his elderly parents house.

That i dont agree with.

Let them be
and whether you believe Cummings or not, he said he didn’t want to tell everyone his whereabouts because he knew this would happen.

does hounding his parents and getting a picture of a farm add anything to the story?
 

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and whether you believe Cummings or not, he said he didn’t want to tell everyone his whereabouts because he knew this would happen.

does hounding his parents and getting a picture of a farm add anything to the story?
I despite Cummings and his whole BS story but hounding his parents is plain wrong, the media should not be there. It is not their responsbility to answer for him.
 

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Yeah, we shouldn’t hold our government to account and massively condemn them when they do wrong because it’s just like Caroline Flack.

I’m glad they’re outside his house. They need to know they can’t just get away with whatever they want.
I'd barely call it logic, it's just instinctive bollocks to defend their team like Pool fans defending Suarez.

Of course it's worse because politics is more than football but i doubt they treat it any differently. You only have to look at those who were spouting bollocks in the GE threads who suddenly turn up predictably to debate this issue with nonsense. I'm not sure if they believe their own bollocks, feel bad for them if so.
 

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The press have literally hounded every single celebrity for decades. They drove Diana to her death. OBVIOUSLY this isn’t right and needs to be sorted, but why is this an issue now and not an issue that people have cared about for years? Why does Cummings get to suddenly shift the narrative?
 

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I'd barely call it logic, it's just instinctive bollocks to defend their team like Pool fans defending Suarez.

Of course it's worse because politics is more than football but i doubt they treat it any differently. You only have to look at those who were spouting bollocks in the GE threads who suddenly turn up predictably to debate this issue with nonsense. I'm not sure if they believe their own bollocks, feel bad for them if so.
There are an incredible number of sockpuppet accounts retweeting each others pro cummings statements today on twitter. They all have name and number profile names - have union jack logos and have around 1400 followers despite having only started tweeting in May. There is usually one bland tweet followed by a string of Move on - blame the media - this is boring tweets.

They use both the anti cummings / bojo hashtags and the pro ones. We are getting industrial scale gaslighting with russian bot factory backing here!
 

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Good thing for Cummings that they stopped contact tracing in March. If he had the virus and travelled unlawfully to Durham then one could argue that he was infecting people... And could be charged for some rather unpleasant effects, like people dying due to having been directly/indirectly in contact with him.
 

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its a re-moaner conspiracy because cummings beat them at brexit - or at least that is how that one will be spun... probably needs some higher profile resignations - and possibly some hard core brexiteers to actually undermine cummings I think
Steve Baker probably the most high profile one so far but seems like he's never liked Cummings in the first place.
 

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its a re-moaner conspiracy because cummings beat them at brexit - or at least that is how that one will be spun... probably needs some higher profile resignations - and possibly some hard core brexiteers to actually undermine cummings I think
And that will never happen.
 

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douglas ross is a grade-A wanker, nothing he does should be applauded.
 

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These lads are fecking laughing at you British Mugs.
These are the poeple in charge of your country and they are fecking laughing at you, and the public are just taking it.

That shit head did absolutley the wrong thing. 1000%.
If he just apologised it would blow over in a week.
 

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TREVOR KAVANAGH Dominic Cummings has emerged triumphant — leaving his political enemies & media critics floundering
Yes, and what a self-evidently spectacular victory it has been - just look at all the people cheering him.
 

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Seemed like he realized in the middle of his lie how fecking ridiculous it sounded :lol: